2007 Green Bay Packers Thread

[timothy1997 0]

This isn't a rip timothy by any means, but how funny is it when the unexpected happens.

Green Bay 7-1

Detroit 6-2

Minnesota 3-5

Chicago 3-5

Sidenote: BTW, I agree that the Lions will finish second.

Sidenote 2: I won't even bother quoting all the Favre bashing. I would hope all those that doubted would be cowering in shame.

Everyone ripped on me for picking the Lions to finish 2nd place in the divison eariler. Albeit I thought the Lions would have a 7-9, 6-10 record in 2nd place..but damn it to hell....the Lions should AT LEAST finish 2nd place if not win this divison. Didn't see the Bears defense collaspe tho.

As far as the Favre bashing...

FAVRE IS TOO OLD!!!

nah, he is amazing this season. If it wasn't for an outta this world Tom Brady, Brett Favre would be MVP. The thing that impresses me so much this year from #4 is his patience. The gunslinger has such great vision this year. He is not forcing anything this year like he has in past seasons.

Edited November 8, 2007 by timothy1997

[Packer487 3]

Another day, another 350 yards and 3 TDs for The Man.

That's 60,000+ yards if you're counting. And 16 TDs, 8 INTs, an NFL leading 2,757 yards and 6 300 yard games in his last seven (the other was in that monsoon against Washington). And an 8-1 Packers team that can run the ball now.

This is just getting better and better.

[timothy1997 0]

That's 60,000+ yards if you're counting. And 16 TDs, 8 INTs, an NFL leading 2,757 yards and 6 300 yard games in his last seven (the other was in that monsoon against Washington).

NFL MVP if it wasn't for Tom Brady.

[Packer487 3]

NFL MVP if it wasn't for Tom Brady.

I think you could make a really strong case for Favre as it is. Obviously Brady has had an incredible season, but I guess it just depends on what your definition of MVP is. Some people will vote for the guy with the best stats (Brady), some will vote for the best player on the best team (Brady) and some view it as the player who is most valuable to his team (Favre).

Think of it this way: Everyone suspected the Pats were going to be the best team in the league (and granted Brady is a part of their projection). All offseason we heard about how they have the best WR corps evah! And pretty much everyone had them pegged for 9-0/8-1 at worst. What did people think about the Packers? No running game, iffy Wrs, questionable OL, and a QB who should pack it in. They people who were paying attention thought that MAYBE they could make the playoffs, but most had them pegged for 6-10/8-8. And they're already at that upper boundary with 7 games to play.

I respect the hell out of Brady based on his track record (and since he played at Michigan) and he's clearly having an amazing season, but I'd venture a guess that there are quite a few QBs out there who would be 9-0 with that Pats team. And it's not all that hard to play QB when you've got 8 seconds every play to throw. One of those WRs is GOING to get open given that much time. Not to take much away from him, because he's been amazing, but I know damn well Favre would be doing the same thing given that much time (I actually think the receiving corps are closer than people believe, but the offensive lines aren't close).

Favre has run that offense to near perfection. A good number of his long TDs came on audibles at the line, and he's got the Packers---the PACKERS---just a game behind New England. And until the Denver game he had no threat of a running game to take the pressure off.

To me, what Favre has done is more impressive. But again, I'm biased as all hell.

[timothy1997 0]

I think you could make a really strong case for Favre as it is. Obviously Brady has had an incredible season, but I guess it just depends on what your definition of MVP is. Some people will vote for the guy with the best stats (Brady), some will vote for the best player on the best team (Brady) and some view it as the player who is most valuable to his team (Favre).

Think of it this way: Everyone suspected the Pats were going to be the best team in the league (and granted Brady is a part of their projection). All offseason we heard about how they have the best WR corps evah! And pretty much everyone had them pegged for 9-0/8-1 at worst. What did people think about the Packers? No running game, iffy Wrs, questionable OL, and a QB who should pack it in. They people who were paying attention thought that MAYBE they could make the playoffs, but most had them pegged for 6-10/8-8. And they're already at that upper boundary with 7 games to play.

I respect the hell out of Brady based on his track record (and since he played at Michigan) and he's clearly having an amazing season, but I'd venture a guess that there are quite a few QBs out there who would be 9-0 with that Pats team. And it's not all that hard to play QB when you've got 8 seconds every play to throw. One of those WRs is GOING to get open given that much time. Not to take much away from him, because he's been amazing, but I know damn well Favre would be doing the same thing given that much time (I actually think the receiving corps are closer than people believe, but the offensive lines aren't close).

Favre has run that offense to near perfection. A good number of his long TDs came on audibles at the line, and he's got the Packers---the PACKERS---just a game behind New England. And until the Denver game he had no threat of a running game to take the pressure off.

To me, what Favre has done is more impressive. But again, I'm biased as all hell.

Interesting points. IMO you can not give the MVP based on half of the season. I am curious to see how Favre does against the Lions and Cowboys.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Interesting points. IMO you can not give the MVP based on half of the season. I am curious to see how Favre does against the Lions and Cowboys.

I'm not really curious to see how *Favre* does against the Lions. I think he'll do just fine and put up a good amount of points. What I'm curious to see is how well our defense does against the Lions offense. If Woodsen and Harris shut down the very talented Lions passing game I don't see how the Lions could win the game. The Packers defensive line is too strong for any team to rely solely on running the ball. If the Lions are able to open up the passing game, than its anyone's ball game (especially the Lions given the circumstances: Home Team, Thanksgiving).

Sidenote: Brett Favre is a God!

[timothy1997 0]

More proof that the Lambeau Leap can be scary if you are a Packer.

Edited November 16, 2007 by timothy1997

[timothy1997 0]

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what do Packers fans think of this whole "bounty" issue in the sports news?

IMO, this is not a big deal and i would be shocked if the packers were the only team doing this. I could have sworn i heard stories of a quarterback taking his o-line out for dinner or giving them money if they protected him during the game. How is that any different?!?!?!?!

NFL stands for No Fun League

Edited November 21, 2007 by timothy1997

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

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what do Packers fans think of this whole "bounty" issue in the sports news?

IMO, this is not a big deal and i would be shocked if the packers were the only team doing this. I could have sworn i heard stories of a quarterback taking his o-line out for dinner or giving them money if they protected him during the game. How is that any different?!?!?!?!

NFL stands for No Fun League

The attached quotes from the article you linked basically sum up my thoughts. I can understand why some people would be upset, but had the players known what they were doing was against the rules, they probably wouldn't have even done it. The sad thing is I'm sure there are plenty of other instances like this that go on, but this one just happened to be the one that was reported. On top of that, I hate that the media uses the word "bounty". It almost makes it sound like the Packers were head-hunting, which they certainly were not. Yes, its against the rules but it was just a little locker room fun meant with no ill-will other than the desire to shut a player/team down within the normal rules (not to intentionally hurt anyone) of the game.

Sidenote: I also bolded my favorite quotes.

- Woodson and Harris had an unlikely ally on Tuesday: Lions quarterback Jon Kitna, who will face the Packers' defense on Thursday and didn't seem to think it was a big deal.

- "I don't know if it is against the rules. If it is, it shouldn't be," Kitna said. "They're not paying people to go out and hurt somebody. They're just paying people to do their job."

- Speaking to reporters on a regularly scheduled conference call Tuesday in advance of Thursday's game, Kitna said such incentives were an acceptable and effective way to motivate teammates. "If I'm a defensive lineman that's getting paid minimum (salary) to play this game, or a little bit lower salary, and I can earn an extra $500, shoot, you know what? That might inspire me to do more," Kitna said.

- This certainly isn't the first time Kitna was aware of such things happening in an NFL locker room.

- "I've heard of things in my past where, hey, if there's a tackle inside the 20 on a kickoff or something like that, they will throw $100 into the pot or whatever," Kitna said. "I don't know. It's nothing that I've seen in a long time."

- The league's rule against bounties was written mainly to prevent teams or players from rewarding teammates for injuring opposing players, something that has been a league-wide concern in the past. But while Peterson was injured in the game against the Packers, that didn't appear to be the Packers' goal. After making the tackle that injured Peterson, Harris went out of his way to make sure the rookie running back was OK after the game.

Edited November 21, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I just don't know what to say other than I can't wait for next Thursday. It should be a hell of a battle.

Once again Brett Favre breaks more records and proves why he is definitely in the running for the MVP.

[Hiei 192]

I don't care if we're last in the division, so long as we BEAT THE BUTT-PACKERS, I'M WONDERFUL!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I don't care if we're last in the division, so long as we BEAT THE BUTT-PACKERS, I'M WONDERFUL!

We'll unless you're a Bears fan your hope hasn't come to fruition yet this season.

Maybe your hope should be to talk like an adult instead of poking third grade insults at the Packers. Let me guess, you call Forsberg Foreskin......right?

[timothy1997 0]

I don't care if we're last in the division, so long as we BEAT THE BUTT-PACKERS, I'M WONDERFUL!

We are not going to beat the Packers this year. Lions never win in Green Bay.

[Packer487 3]

Boy if that wasn't a typical Packers at Dallas game...everything that can go wrong does go wrong, Favre struggles, officiating is horrendous.

This was going to be a tough game from the outset, but you take away Woodson, KGB, Jolly, Franks, Rouse, and have Tauscher barely able to walk and it makes it damn near impossible.

The Cowboys outplayed the Packers tonight, but I feel pretty good. There's a huge dropoff from Woodson to Bush, and the fact that Bush couldn't cover anyone completely changed their defense. KGB would be able to give Adams problems. (BTW Dallas's line is HUGE) Gotta believe that Rouse would have done better than Bigby. Jolly is a huge upgrade from Harrell as well at this point.

I'm not sure why they got away from the short passing game at the start of the game. It's been so effective. I realize they wanted to test the safeties in coverage, but with the protection the way it was and how good the short passes have been, I don't get throwing deep as much as they did. If they play again, I'm sure they'll go back to what works.

The officiating was horrendous. Why they had a 1st year ref doing the biggest NFC game in like 17 years is beyond me. Here's just a few of the garbage calls tonight:

-Driver was interfered with on the third down pass on the first drive. Newman grabbed his hand and he could only go for the catch with one arm. If what Williams did was PI, so was that. (I also hated the play call since we didn't go for it on 4th down....why throw deep on 3rd and 1? Move the chains)

-Harris ripped the ball away from TO clean and they ruled TO's forward progress was stopped. BS. Especially since the ref with the best view signaled Packers ball. Harris must be superhuman if he stopped TO's progress even though he was ripping the ball out with both hands.

-TO doesn't get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for using the popcorn as a prop after his TD. That's automatic. The refs in the KC game missed it as well when Johnson grabbed a flag from a cheerleader, waived it around and planted it in the ground.

-Jennings was facemasked as he dove into the endzone on his TD. That was a 15 yarder.

-The PI on Williams was ungodly bad. He gave him a little tug--not that it impeded the WR in any way--but the ball was in no way catchable and it took them 15 seconds after the play to throw a flag. The ref on the play was overruled by someone who was 20 yards away, who didn't see it fit to throw a flag EITHER. One of the worst calls I've seen in a long, long time.

-Grant had a first down on that late run right before GB kicked the last FG. He had it by a half yard. McCarthy didn't have a challenge left to get em to fix it thanks to the general incompetence by the officials earlier in the game.

-Rodgers got hit really late on one pass

-Owens pushed off big time on Barnett on the pass that was picked off.

-Romo spiked the ball angrily when they false started on that 3rd and 14. Should've been a delay of game on top of the false start since those are automatic now. 3rd and 24 not 3rd and 19. Not that it probably mattered since Harris didn't cover anyone on the subsequent play.

I guess that's part of playing in Big D. Same crap every time.

But despite all the injuries and the horrid officiating we still had the ball down 3 with a chance to take the lead. They learned a lot tonight which will help in a potential rematch. Barring injury, Colledge and Bush aren't going to see the field again this year. Rouse probably moves into the starting role at safety. They'll go with the short passing game more.

It's really tough to play a team as good as Dallas on the road, let alone without one of the best CBs in football and one of the best pass rushers (and without your QB). Dallas got dinged up during the game too, but it was already a 17 point lead at that point.

The good news is that Grant looked good again, Crosby is fricken MONEY, and Rodgers looked like he'll be a legit QB in this league. Just wasn't our night tonight. Case in point, that onside kick. What a great call! Caught Dallas completely by surprise (there was no one within 8 yards), it was executed well, and they just got an unlucky bounce.

BTW I'll say it again. the NFL and College Football need to combine their PI calls. Have a 15 yarder for incidental contact and make it a spot foul for flagrant contact (like when you haul a guy down because you're beat). It's so stupid that you basically get a free 50 yards on a very low percentage pass....

I don't know that Dallas can play a whole lot better than they did tonight. Their entire team is healthy save Terry Glenn, and I have to believe that balances out if we meet again. Harris can't play worse. Favre played terrible. The play calling in the early going was awful (SHORT PASSES!). The officiating was terrible. And we still nearly won.

The silver lining is that it's pretty much a given that we'll be the #2 seed in the NFC at this point. I don't see Dallas losing twice, despite having 3 of the last 4 on the road and I don't think that Seattle or TB is consistent enough to get to 12-4 and put some pressure on us. With not a ton to play for the rest of the season, that should give GB a chance to rest some of these guys who have been nagged by injuries. Harris has been hurt all year, as have Woodson and Tauscher. If they think a week or two off would get them healthy for the playoffs, they might have the luxury to give them that time. And with Rodgers playing as well as he did, that'll give them a chance to be really careful with Favre.

Despite the loss, and as angry as I am about the officiating, I feel pretty good. Unless something bad shows up on the MRI of Favre's elbow, we're still in really good shape and I like our chances in a rematch with that team. Provided we can get some guys healthy and get a remotely competent official.

[timothy1997 0]

last night might as well have been the NFC championship game. Barring an injury or anything flukey, I see Dallas heading to the Super Bowl. I don't see the Giants, Tampa, Seattle, Detroit, or Green Bay winning at Dallas.

[Packer487 3]

last night might as well have been the NFC championship game. Barring an injury or anything flukey, I see Dallas heading to the Super Bowl. I don't see the Giants, Tampa, Seattle, Detroit, or Green Bay winning at Dallas.

Do you not think that KGB, Woodson, Rouse, and Jolly would've made a difference last night? Most of Dallas's early success was going after Bush, who won't be on the field again this year apart from special teams. I have to believe that Walker, Williams, and probably Blackmon moved ahead of him last night in the CB pecking order.

The Packers had to play a ton of zone last night due to Woodson's injury and that's not their game at all. Bigby isn't a cover guy and it was Nick Collins's first game back in a month. It's tough not having a guy like Woodson out there when he's so much of what they do on defense.

Not to mention that the Packers are the youngest team in the NFL. It was good experience for them to play in a game like that and they didn't blink, even after they got down by 17 and lost their legendary QB. I have to believe that the near comeback gives them all the confidence in the world that they can beat that team.

Dallas would still be favored, and rightfully so. But I don't think it's at all unlikely that GB goes back down there and beats Dallas if these teams meet again. Even with all the injuries, losing the turnover battle, being -80 in the penalty yardage, the horrible officiating, the loss of Favre, the awful gameplan in the early going, off days from Favre and Harris, and the Cowboys playing about as well as they can (and having 52 of their 53 players in the lineup), the Packers still had the ball at their own 40 in the 4th quarter down by 3.

I think all that bodes pretty well for a potential rematch.

It's also a plus to me that Grant ran the ball pretty well against a good run defense, even if we couldn't use him as much as we would've liked since GB got down by so much early on. Crosby showed again that he's money. Jennings is an absolute monster. And Rodgers is probably the second best QB in the NFC North, which I think is kind of funny.

Edited November 30, 2007 by Packer487

[timothy1997 0]

Do you not think that KGB, Woodson, Rouse, and Jolly would've made a difference last night? Most of Dallas's early success was going after Bush, who won't be on the field again this year apart from special teams. I have to believe that Walker, Williams, and probably Blackmon moved ahead of him last night in the CB pecking order.

The Packers had to play a ton of zone last night due to Woodson's injury and that's not their game at all. Bigby isn't a cover guy and it was Nick Collins's first game back in a month. It's tough not having a guy like Woodson out there when he's so much of what they do on defense.

Not to mention that the Packers are the youngest team in the NFL. It was good experience for them to play in a game like that and they didn't blink, even after they got down by 17 and lost their legendary QB. I have to believe that the near comeback gives them all the confidence in the world that they can beat that team.

Dallas would still be favored, and rightfully so. But I don't think it's at all unlikely that GB goes back down there and beats Dallas if these teams meet again. Even with all the injuries, losing the turnover battle, being -80 in the penalty yardage, the horrible officiating, the loss of Favre, the awful gameplan in the early going, off days from Favre and Harris, and the Cowboys playing about as well as they can (and having 52 of their 53 players in the lineup), the Packers still had the ball at their own 40 in the 4th quarter down by 3.

I think all that bodes pretty well for a potential rematch.

It's also a plus to me that Grant ran the ball pretty well against a good run defense, even if we couldn't use him as much as we would've liked since GB got down by so much early on. Crosby showed again that he's money. Jennings is an absolute monster. And Rodgers is probably the second best QB in the NFC North, which I think is kind of funny.

Kitna is 2nd best QB in the North. Rodgers isn't even a starting qb and last night might be just a flash in the pan.

Did you even see the o-line from dallas last night. They were a beast in the game. Romo had tons of time in the pocket to go thru his progression. Packers have to get a better pass rush when it comes to the NFC championship game if they have any shot. I will agree with you that KGB's injury hurts but every team is hurt in the nfl this time of the year. No excuse.

The worst thing the Cowboys did yesterday, was injury #4. #4 will play in the NFC championship game and the cowboys will be prepared for that. Dallas was not prepared for Rodgers.

Edited December 1, 2007 by timothy1997

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

A Tribute Video no Packers or Favre fan should miss.

It'll bring tears to your eyes.

Edited December 3, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[Packer487 3]

A Tribute Video no Packers or Favre fan should miss.

It'll bring tears to your eyes.

Thanks for posting that! I only caught about half of it on Turkey Day and didn't think to look for the rest.

What're your thoughts about the Dallas game? You didn't comment on it. I'm curious if you're as optimistic as I am now, should we have to play them again...

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Thanks for posting that! I only caught about half of it on Turkey Day and didn't think to look for the rest.

What're your thoughts about the Dallas game? You didn't comment on it. I'm curious if you're as optimistic as I am now, should we have to play them again...

I didn't post because you summed up a lot of what I was thinking. I'm still extremely optimistic if we play them again, even if the game is in Dallas. Say what you want about Favre in Dallas, but had he not been instructed to go down field so much during his time in the game, and had McCarthy just stuck with what has worked in the past, I think Favre would've done just fine the rest of the game. I don't fault McCarthy for airing it out against the poor Dallas secondary.........I'd of done the same thing, but the amount he did it was too much. Had we established some offensive rhythm right away, then you mix in a shot down field once every 7-10 plays. What is encouraging is that as soon as we got down, McCarthy and Co went right back to what they've been successful at these past 2 months, and it worked like a charm.

Couple that with zero pass rush (partly KGB and Jolly, partly a poor game by our line and a great game by their line), Harris being beyond terrible and Bush obviously not anything close to Woodsen, and you've got problems. The thing is, the next time we play them we'll have Woodsen lining up opposite Harris. Al can bump TO at the line of scrimmage, and then we can pull a safety to double him up all game. I'm not worried about Woodsen, but Al needs the help against TO. Let's face it.....he got worked.

While I was upset with a couple poor calls (Harris stripping TO, and the bomb Pass interference), I thought the majority of the reffing all night was pretty fair.

After all that being said, the Packers *still* had a chance to go ahead in this game after trailing 27-10. I think if the Packers stick to what makes them successful, and are healthy on defense, we got a great shot of upsetting them.......especially after losing Round 1 (I.E. Revenge type of thing).

Edited December 3, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[timothy1997 0]

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Surprised the cheese heads haven't mentioned this before. Congrats to #4 for being SI's sportman of the year.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Major bummer that Detroit couldn't pull off the upset, but a great all-around win for the Pack. Dominant on all 3 teams (offense, defense, special).

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Before I forget........Congratulations to the 2007 NFC North Champion Green Bay Packers!

The funniest part of the game and a priceless moment!

[Grittzkey 1]

im looking forward to dec.31st

[Packer487 3]

It's truly amazing to me that after all that talk about how GB couldn't run the ball, they very possibly will have a 1,000 yard rusher. Ryan Grant only needs like 260 yards the rest of the season to reach the mark--like 84 yards a game or something. That kid has been unbelievable.

Since he entered the lineup against Denver, he leads the NFL in rushing, and the Packers have been like #12 in the league at running the ball. Just another weapon for an already dangerous offense!