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#1 Son of a Wing

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 10:58 PM

The Hockey news has released their Top 50 current players. Neidermayer and Selanne are not included assuming retirement.

THN Top 50

Also There was a list released by Fox Sports in response to THN Top 50. I agree more with this one.

Fox Sports Top 50

When you're comparing forwards, defense and goalies together there will always be substantial controversy but I think they did decent jobs with the Fox list being more accurate.
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Posted 26 August 2007 - 11:29 PM

I think both lists have some pretty noticeable flaws, such as Cheechoo in the top 30 on THN, or Nash, Parise, Gonchar, or Sedin anywhere near the list.

My top twenty would probably be something like:

1. Nicklas Lidstrom, D, Detroit
2. Sidney Crosby, C, Pittsburgh
3. Martin Brodeur, G, New Jersey
4. Roberto Luongo, G, Vancouver
5. Henrik Zetterberg, C, Detroit
6. Alexander Ovechkin, LW, Washington
7. Joe Thornton, C, San Jose
8. Chris Pronger, D, Anaheim
9. Vincent Lecavalier, C, Tampa Bay
10. Marian Hossa, RW, Atlanta
11. Daniel Alfredsson, RW, Ottawa
12. Joe Sakic, C, Colorado
13. Dany Heatley, LW, Ottawa
14. Jaromir Jagr, RW, NY Rangers
15. Martin St. Louis, RW, Tampa Bay
16. Miikka Kiprusoff, G, Calgary
17. Ilya Kovalchuk, LW, Atlanta
18. Jarome Iginla, RW, Calgary
19. Sergei Zubov, D, Dallas
20. Marian Gaborik, LW, Minnesota

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 11:46 PM

THN is off a lot on some of those rankings.

I like FSN's much better.

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 11:58 PM

Luongo better than Lidstrom?

forget that list.

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(eva unit zero @ August 26, 2007 - 11:29PM) View Post

I think both lists have some pretty noticeable flaws, such as Cheechoo in the top 30 on THN, or Nash, Parise, Gonchar, or Sedin anywhere near the list.

My top twenty would probably be something like:

1. Nicklas Lidstrom, D, Detroit
2. Sidney Crosby, C, Pittsburgh
3. Martin Brodeur, G, New Jersey
4. Roberto Luongo, G, Vancouver
5. Henrik Zetterberg, C, Detroit
6. Alexander Ovechkin, LW, Washington
7. Joe Thornton, C, San Jose
8. Chris Pronger, D, Anaheim
9. Vincent Lecavalier, C, Tampa Bay
10. Marian Hossa, RW, Atlanta
11. Daniel Alfredsson, RW, Ottawa
12. Joe Sakic, C, Colorado
13. Dany Heatley, LW, Ottawa
14. Jaromir Jagr, RW, NY Rangers
15. Martin St. Louis, RW, Tampa Bay
16. Miikka Kiprusoff, G, Calgary
17. Ilya Kovalchuk, LW, Atlanta
18. Jarome Iginla, RW, Calgary
19. Sergei Zubov, D, Dallas
20. Marian Gaborik, LW, Minnesota


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Posted 27 August 2007 - 12:53 AM

Top 20 for me:
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Joe Thornton
3. Nicklas Lidstrom
4. Roberto Luongo
5. Martin Brodeur
6. Alexander Ovechkin
7. Vincent LeCavalier
8. Dany Heatley
9. Jarome Iginla
10. Chris Pronger
11. Jaromir Jagr
12. Marian Hossa
13. Joe Sakic
14. Miika Kiprusoff
15. Zdeno Chara
16. Henrik Zetterberg
17. Pavel Datsyuk
18. Ilya Kovalchuk
19. Marian Gaborik
20. Sergei Zubov

Kovalchuk and Gaborik would be much higher if not for their defensive game.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE(Son of a Wing @ August 27, 2007 - 12:53AM) View Post

Top 20 for me:
1. Sidney Crosby
2. Joe Thornton
3. Nicklas Lidstrom
4. Roberto Luongo
5. Martin Brodeur
6. Alexander Ovechkin
7. Vincent LeCavalier
8. Dany Heatley
9. Jarome Iginla
10. Chris Pronger
11. Jaromir Jagr
12. Marian Hossa
13. Joe Sakic
14. Miika Kiprusoff
15. Zdeno Chara
16. Henrik Zetterberg
17. Pavel Datsyuk
18. Ilya Kovalchuk
19. Marian Gaborik
20. Sergei Zubov

Kovalchuk and Gaborik would be much higher if not for their defensive game.

No Jason Spezza?

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 01:58 AM

Lists like these are always heavily subjective. That Sidney Crosby should be first is difficult to argue against but after that it gets more difficult.

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 02:37 AM

QUOTE(SweWings @ August 27, 2007 - 01:58AM) View Post

Lists like these are always heavily subjective. That Sidney Crosby should be first is difficult to argue against but after that it gets more difficult.

Exactly; 1 could argue for/against many of these guys, & where they "should" be ranked...Very subjective to say the least.

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE(F.Michael @ August 27, 2007 - 01:55AM) View Post

No Jason Spezza?

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Top 20? no Top 30? yes. but its all subjective so sure smile.gif
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 07:23 AM

So what do Staal, Nash, Cheechoo, Parise do to get on this list? None of them is particularly good defensively, none were top 50 as far as points per game is concerned. Hell, Elias was 50th in the league as far as PPG, and he's getting ranked like a superstar. I don't get the method they are using here.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 07:40 AM

QUOTE(eva unit zero @ August 27, 2007 - 12:29AM) View Post

I think both lists have some pretty noticeable flaws, such as Cheechoo in the top 30 on THN, or Nash, Parise, Gonchar, or Sedin anywhere near the list.

My top twenty would probably be something like:

1. Nicklas Lidstrom, D, Detroit
2. Sidney Crosby, C, Pittsburgh
3. Martin Brodeur, G, New Jersey
4. Roberto Luongo, G, Vancouver
5. Henrik Zetterberg, C, Detroit
6. Alexander Ovechkin, LW, Washington
7. Joe Thornton, C, San Jose
8. Chris Pronger, D, Anaheim
9. Vincent Lecavalier, C, Tampa Bay
10. Marian Hossa, RW, Atlanta
11. Daniel Alfredsson, RW, Ottawa
12. Joe Sakic, C, Colorado
13. Dany Heatley, LW, Ottawa
14. Jaromir Jagr, RW, NY Rangers
15. Martin St. Louis, RW, Tampa Bay
16. Miikka Kiprusoff, G, Calgary
17. Ilya Kovalchuk, LW, Atlanta
18. Jarome Iginla, RW, Calgary
19. Sergei Zubov, D, Dallas
20. Marian Gaborik, LW, Minnesota




Lidstrom #1 over Crosby? I gotta hand it to you Eva, you're a homer but at least you are consistent about it.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE(GordieSid&Ted @ August 27, 2007 - 08:40AM) View Post

Lidstrom #1 over Crosby? I gotta hand it to you Eva, you're a homer but at least you are consistent about it.



I'm sorry, but why are a lot of those players ranked over Datsyuk? I understand why Zetterberg is higher, because he's better all around, but Datsyuk is...well, one of the best players in the league for his skating and scoring ability. Much better than a lot of these players (like Pronger) which seem to be included just to represent each team.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 08:30 AM

Luongo over Bordeur? Sakic over Jagr? Sakic over Heatley?

These lists are a joke! I really think they just wanted to remind everyone that Crosby is the best.

Why does everyone give Luongo so much credit? For what being 160-190? Allbeit with a bad team but Bordeur, Kipper and Giggy played for bad teams too.

And where is Maltby????

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 08:32 AM

QUOTE(HuntsVegas Baby @ August 27, 2007 - 08:30AM) View Post

Luongo over Bordeur? Sakic over Jagr?

These lists are a joke! I really think they just wanted to remind everyone that Crosby is the best.

And why does everyone give Luongo so much credit? For what being 160-190? Allbeit with a bad team but Bordeur, Kipper and Giggy played for bad teams too.



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Posted 27 August 2007 - 08:46 AM

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Lidstrom #1 over Crosby? I gotta hand it to you Eva, you're a homer but at least you are consistent about it.




Nothing homeristic about saying Nick Lidstrom is the best player in the league. Name me a player in the NHL right now that has a bigger positive impact on the game every night than Lidstrom. You can't; he doesn't exist.


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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:03 AM

i dont get it why is there no datsyuk can someone help me out here,thats mind boggling

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE(maltbymaniac @ August 27, 2007 - 10:03AM) View Post

i dont get it why is there no datsyuk can someone help me out here,thats mind boggling

He's there. 36 on THN and 22 on Fox sports. While fox sports is way more accurate, it still has a couple flaws and also contradicts itself. Like for instance if Joe Thorton as they say has been "Over the last two years, the best player in the NHL" why isn't he ranked #1? They must have meant the best player after the best player in the leauge. rolleyes.gif But all in all seems to be to be far more accurate.

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:28 AM

Who put Schneider on that list?
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:56 AM

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Nothing homeristic about saying Nick Lidstrom is the best player in the league. Name me a player in the NHL right now that has a bigger positive impact on the game every night than Lidstrom. You can't; he doesn't exist.



Yeah, his name is Sidney Crosby.

Even with Malkin the Pens are nothing without Sid. The lists put forth by THN or anybody else are typically bad, but every one of them has Sid at #1 and none of them have Lidstrom higher than what, 3 or 4? Everyone will debate #2-50 until they're blue in the face but there's a reason why all the lists have Sid at #1 and Lids NOT at #1.

In 2 years Crosby has carried the Pens from 22-46-14 to 47-24-11. That's absurd. No player has had an impact like that in years on his teams' success.

Not too mention he already own 9 NHL records.

Not too mention he contributed to over 42% of the Pens goals. Lids was 24.7%

Not too mention he just won the Hart Trophy AND The Pearson. So basically, the hockey writers and the PLAYERS THEMSEVLES, think he's the best player today.

So you're going against both recently published lists, the majority of professional hockey writers and the majority of NHL players playing today.

Show me one person who isn't a Wings fan that would put Lidstrom at #1?

You can't. Taking your team from 22 wins to 47 wins, leading the league in scoring, and winning all of the MVP awards isn't having a positive impact every single night?

I don't want to be painted as a Lidstrom hater so I'll just state for the record that I think he's in the top 5 best players in the league today. But he isn't #1. And putting him #1 is a bit homeristic of you IMO because as great as he is his impact is not on the level of Crosby's.


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