Guest Jeremy88 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 But do you guys think Z has a shot at winning the trophy for most points in the season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 But do you guys think Z has a shot at winning the trophy for most points in the season? If he ends the season in the top 5 in points, I'd be surprised. That's not taking anything away from his talent. But with guys like Crosby, Thornton, Ovechkin, Spezza, and Heatly, it's pretty much a sure thing that in order to win the Art Ross, you have to break the 100 point mark. Something that I don't think Hank will do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozac 10 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Barring injuries, i think he has a legitimate shot at it. Lets not forget that last season during the span of the ZDH line being put together and before his injury he was getting more points per game than anybody else. The same thing is happening right now so why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Barring injuries, i think he has a legitimate shot at it. Lets not forget that last season during the span of the ZDH line being put together and before his injury he was getting more points per game than anybody else. The same thing is happening right now so why not? I agree that if he stays healthy he has a chance. He is hot right now and will cool down at some point and will then again get on another hot streak. I'm pulling for him and feel like this might be his year to show the league that he is the man and should be mentioned in the same breath as Sid and AO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 yea i think he has a shot at it if he stays healthy the entire season, but even if he does hes still an underdog to win it...i just think hell get over 100 pts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Yeah, it's way too early in the season to make a bold prediction like that. I can recall the top 5 scorers at the same time last season looking nothing like they did at the end of the season. The turning point of last season was Crosby getting that 6 point game in Philly, topping all scorers, and the turning point of the season before was Thornton going to San Jose and owning there. Point being, there's always a turning point during the season, a player has one good game and just explodes, and something like that could happen again. I'm not ruling Z out though, I hope he does something crazy like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 You would be an idiot to say he doesn't have a chance. He certainly has a legitimate shot (especially since he is leading now). That said, I don't think he ends up winning the scoring title. Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but did anyone notice that Zetterberg is the first Wing to hold the scoring lead AT ANY TIME during the season in about 40 years or so. As great as Yzerman and Fedorov were, I do not believe either of them ever held the scoring lead (even for just a day) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) You would be an idiot to say he doesn't have a chance. He certainly has a legitimate shot (especially since he is leading now). That said, I don't think he ends up winning the scoring title. Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but did anyone notice that Zetterberg is the first Wing to hold the scoring lead AT ANY TIME during the season in about 40 years or so. As great as Yzerman and Fedorov were, I do not believe either of them ever held the scoring lead (even for just a day) Robert Lang was leading the NHL in scoring when he first came here, but those numbers came with the Caps. Edited October 30, 2007 by BeeRYCE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted October 30, 2007 You would be an idiot to say he doesn't have a chance. He certainly has a legitimate shot (especially since he is leading now). That said, I don't think he ends up winning the scoring title. Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but did anyone notice that Zetterberg is the first Wing to hold the scoring lead AT ANY TIME during the season in about 40 years or so. As great as Yzerman and Fedorov were, I do not believe either of them ever held the scoring lead (even for just a day) Well, as others have stated, health is a huge factor for him. That being said, I don't know that anybody is an idiot for saying he doesn't have a shot. It's not idiotic to look at his injury history to see he's missed 46 games over the past 4 years. Combine that with him never breaking 90 points and the fact that there are players who historically top 90-100 points and don't have half the defensive responsibilities he does and I think its a reasonable conclusion to say he doesn't have a chance. Well, at least I don't think its idiotic to think so. Put it this way, how many people do you think you could get to bet on Z to win the art ross? How many people, given the field, would plunk down cold, hard cash that Z would indeed win it. I'd love him to but i'm not betting on it. Personally, of the guys listed on NHL.com as the leading scorers as of today, I would not bet on any of them to win the scoring championship. My money would still be on Crosby, followed by Alfredsson and Thornton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Well, as others have stated, health is a huge factor for him. That being said, I don't know that anybody is an idiot for saying he doesn't have a shot. It's not idiotic to look at his injury history to see he's missed 46 games over the past 4 years. Combine that with him never breaking 90 points and the fact that there are players who historically top 90-100 points and don't have half the defensive responsibilities he does and I think its a reasonable conclusion to say he doesn't have a chance. Well, at least I don't think its idiotic to think so. Put it this way, how many people do you think you could get to bet on Z to win the art ross? How many people, given the field, would plunk down cold, hard cash that Z would indeed win it. I'd love him to but i'm not betting on it. Personally, of the guys listed on NHL.com as the leading scorers as of today, I would not bet on any of them to win the scoring championship. My money would still be on Crosby, followed by Alfredsson and Thornton. I agree with all of that logic and I used some of it to conclude that I don't think he'll win it and maybe I used the word "idiot" incorrectly, but think about it some more. Your reasons are very good as to why you conclude that you don't think he'll win and won't bet on him winning, what I was saying about being an idiot is that you would dismiss him alltogether and say he doesn't have a chance. I don't think saying he has a chance suggested that you think that chance is anywhere near a "good" chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lfd250 1 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 No, babcock has already stated he will split the line up. Def will be able to go to him rather then worry about where he and dats are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 I think Zetts will have a great year and score 90-100 points this year. But I think its going to be Sid the Kid again with the most points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted October 30, 2007 But do you guys think Z has a shot at winning the trophy for most points in the season? The only question with Z is...Can he stay healthy? If he does then I think he has a great shot at winning the Art Ross. You have to think Sid will heat up at some point. Z needs to take advantage now and get some points in the bank. Plus if Babs splits up the ZDH line then Z's points will decrease. He's on fire now though and should get player of the month for October. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donaldjr2448 43 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 I think Z has a good shot at a trophy!!! The Stanley Cup!!!!! However I think that he will probably fall short to Crosby or Ovechkin!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 Obviously it'd be great for him to win it, but we all know it's unlikely. The ZDH line will be split up, he'll cool down, Crosby and co. will pick up steam, and there ya go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 30, 2007 He is hot right now and will cool down at some point and will then again get on another hot streak. Correction. He is cool right now and has yet to heat up on the nhl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted October 31, 2007 The only question with Z is...Can he stay healthy? If he does then I think he has a great shot at winning the Art Ross. You have to think Sid will heat up at some point. Z needs to take advantage now and get some points in the bank. Plus if Babs splits up the ZDH line then Z's points will decrease. He's on fire now though and should get player of the month for October. Well, Crosby had another big night with 4 points, gives him 17 on the season. That's the thing with Sid and the Pens. He gets in on such a large percentage of their goals compared to Z. The Wings tend to spread out their offense and they also tend to pass alot more than other teams so you'll get situations where you get fewer points or less assists because of the extra pass prior to a goal. On the other hand, Crosby is usually the one making the final pass to whoever scores so he's always in the mix for a point it seems on damn near every goal the Pens score. I wouldn't be surprised if he took over 1st place by the end of November. Its not a question of if he will just when he will take over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 Crosby Schmosby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 You would be an idiot to say he doesn't have a chance. He certainly has a legitimate shot (especially since he is leading now). That said, I don't think he ends up winning the scoring title. Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but did anyone notice that Zetterberg is the first Wing to hold the scoring lead AT ANY TIME during the season in about 40 years or so. As great as Yzerman and Fedorov were, I do not believe either of them ever held the scoring lead (even for just a day) I know for a fact Yzerman led the scoring race at least once...I believe it was in November or December of 99. Shanahan and McCarty were his linemates at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 Well, Crosby had another big night with 4 points, gives him 17 on the season. That's the thing with Sid and the Pens. He gets in on such a large percentage of their goals compared to Z. The Wings tend to spread out their offense and they also tend to pass alot more than other teams so you'll get situations where you get fewer points or less assists because of the extra pass prior to a goal. On the other hand, Crosby is usually the one making the final pass to whoever scores so he's always in the mix for a point it seems on damn near every goal the Pens score. I wouldn't be surprised if he took over 1st place by the end of November. Its not a question of if he will just when he will take over. Removing the goals the players themselves have scored, Crosby's teammates have scored 29, while Z's teammates have scored 35. Both players have twelve assists on a comparable number of goals; Crosby assists on about 41%of teammate's goals to Z's 34% mark. By the same token, though, Z has scored 22.2% of his team's goals, compared to Crosby's 14.7%. If we reverse the amount of teammate goals and adjust their assist numbers based on the above percentages, their stats look like this: Crosby: 5-14-19 Zetterberg: 10-10-20 Those numbers suggest Z would still be leading the league in points with the kind of help Crosby has had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 Crosby's gon' getchu Zetts. lolzors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 I think he will finally get the recognition he deserves -- And win the Selke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 Removing the goals the players themselves have scored, Crosby's teammates have scored 29, while Z's teammates have scored 35. Both players have twelve assists on a comparable number of goals; Crosby assists on about 41%of teammate's goals to Z's 34% mark. By the same token, though, Z has scored 22.2% of his team's goals, compared to Crosby's 14.7%. If we reverse the amount of teammate goals and adjust their assist numbers based on the above percentages, their stats look like this: Crosby: 5-14-19 Zetterberg: 10-10-20 Those numbers suggest Z would still be leading the league in points with the kind of help Crosby has had. I like to think that I am some what intellectual, however man eva some of your posts give me headaches. They make sense and prove your point but it takes a minute to wrap my head around some of the logic and numbers!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kutcher 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2007 I think he will finally get the recognition he deserves -- And win the Selke. Yeah, if I were to bet on him winning anything it'd be the Selke, no one else is more deserving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) Removing the goals the players themselves have scored, Crosby's teammates have scored 29, while Z's teammates have scored 35. Both players have twelve assists on a comparable number of goals; Crosby assists on about 41%of teammate's goals to Z's 34% mark. By the same token, though, Z has scored 22.2% of his team's goals, compared to Crosby's 14.7%. If we reverse the amount of teammate goals and adjust their assist numbers based on the above percentages, their stats look like this: Crosby: 5-14-19 Zetterberg: 10-10-20 Those numbers suggest Z would still be leading the league in points with the kind of help Crosby has had. Eva,I bow beneath your mathematical and analytical supremacy. PS: I'll bet you $100.00 cold, hard cash that Crosby puts up more points than Z this year. Edited October 31, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
