Still hope in Fischer!

[OsGOD 3]

He should just call it quits... its best for everyone involved.

[WingNut199 0]

I agree with what you guys are saying, but I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

The man who died and was brought back to life wants to play again and is training to do so one day, period. Clearly Jiri knows about all the medical statistics and what not but he still says he wants to play. So all the debate over medical issues kinda goes out the window when the man himself is willing to ignore it and work to get back on the ice

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Because they still don't have a handle on what caused it and how to prevent it from happening again.

Training is one thing, being out in the game where emotions run high (which also impact heart rate), where he will get hit again, those are things I am not sure his heart can handle and neither is the medical profession.

We're all forgetting some very important things here.

Fischer and his doctor's know his health situation better than any of us.

If he is training, has reason to train, hasn't been told not to train, has increased the intensity of his training regimen and continues to show his commitment to coming back, who are we to question it?

If he wants to come back and they think they've found out what might have caused his problems (something in the article about metabolic imbalances) and they can control it then why not wish for him to come back if that's what he wants.

From what I know, he hasn't had a relapse in quite a long time. Given that, and that he's working out and nobody has told him not squash his dream, then I see no reason why we shouldn't trust Jiri's doctor's and Jiri himself with HIS decision.

Personally, I want him to come back if they have a handle on his situation. If whatever ails him can be controlled and he can still be an effective player," WELCOME BACK JIRI" is all I can say. Heck, if he comes back at age 28, he's still a relatively young guy. Look at Datsyuk, I bet alot of people didn't realize Dats is already 29 years old and will be 30 in July. We don't consider him to be old or slowing down.

Keeping my fingers crossed that Jiri can find his way back to the NHL.

PS: Not to mention Jiri is exactly the presence on D that we need to put us over the top. Giant, strong, tough down low defenseman that we currently lack.

Edited November 2, 2007 by GordieSid&Ted

[T.Low 1,011]

You gotta wonder what being allowed to hang out with, travel with, workout with the wings has done to keep his emotions up.

I have got to think that it has helped keep him a little bit more positive than if he hadn't been.

In this day and age of what have you done for me lately pro sports it is good to see an org keep a guy around the team and franchise even though he is probably done with his career and his career was very short.

Agreed. You picture Jiri out of hockey, sitting at home with Pepsi and Doritos, looking thru the jobs.com hoping to find something in the $65k area or something...

Its a tough call. One or two years at a good 6 figure salary could really make a difference in his families future. On the other hand, of course...

[Grittzkey 1]

if he came back i would orgasm irl..

i alwasys lovved fisch.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

We're all forgetting some very important things here.

Fischer and his doctor's know his health situation better than any of us.

If he is training, has reason to train, hasn't been told not to train, has increased the intensity of his training regimen and continues to show his commitment to coming back, who are we to question it?

If he wants to come back and they think they've found out what might have caused his problems (something in the article about metabolic imbalances) and they can control it then why not wish for him to come back if that's what he wants.

From what I know, he hasn't had a relapse in quite a long time. Given that, and that he's working out and nobody has told him not squash his dream, then I see no reason why we shouldn't trust Jiri's doctor's and Jiri himself with HIS decision.

Personally, I want him to come back if they have a handle on his situation. If whatever ails him can be controlled and he can still be an effective player," WELCOME BACK JIRI" is all I can say. Heck, if he comes back at age 28, he's still a relatively young guy. Look at Datsyuk, I bet alot of people didn't realize Dats is already 29 years old and will be 30 in July. We don't consider him to be old or slowing down.

Keeping my fingers crossed that Jiri can find his way back to the NHL.

PS: Not to mention Jiri is exactly the presence on D that we need to put us over the top. Giant, strong, tough down low defenseman that we currently lack.

good points. i would love to see him back as well. i obviously want him safe, but if the doctor's say go, then go.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I agree with what you guys are saying, but I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

The man who died and was brought back to life wants to play again and is training to do so one day, period. Clearly Jiri knows about all the medical statistics and what not but he still says he wants to play. So all the debate over medical issues kinda goes out the window when the man himself is willing to ignore it and work to get back on the ice

I'm not missing the point of what you're saying. I'm saying I don't think its worth it. If Jiri feels it is, I question his priorities.

Agreed. You picture Jiri out of hockey, sitting at home with Pepsi and Doritos, looking thru the jobs.com hoping to find something in the $65k area or something...

Its a tough call. One or two years at a good 6 figure salary could really make a difference in his families future. On the other hand, of course...

Jiri has money. He made $1.444 million last year and the year before, and assuming after the on-ice incident took place he became fiscally responsible, he would've made roughly $1.759 million after taxes. If he invests that, he could reasonably live off $100,000 worth of interest every year and never work again, while at the same time keeping his nest-egg at $1.759 million for the rest of his life.

If he wants to come back and they think they've found out what might have caused his problems (something in the article about metabolic imbalances) and they can control it then why not wish for him to come back if that's what he wants.

To me, the word "think" isn't enough. If the Doctors could say with 100% certainty that playing hockey again will in no way affect his heart the way it did in 2005, then I'd be all for it. Until they can say that, it would scare the hell out of me every time he touches the ice.

[T.Low 1,011]

I'm not missing the point of what you're saying. I'm saying I don't think its worth it. If Jiri feels it is, I question his priorities.

Jiri has money. He made $1.444 million last year and the year before, and assuming after the on-ice incident took place he became fiscally responsible, he would've made roughly $1.759 million after taxes. If he invests that, he could reasonably live off $100,000 worth of interest every year and never work again, while at the same time keeping his nest-egg at $1.759 million for the rest of his life.

To me, the word "think" isn't enough. If the Doctors could say with 100% certainty that playing hockey again will in no way affect his heart the way it did in 2005, then I'd be all for it. Until they can say that, it would scare the hell out of me every time he touches the ice.

Good point. I should rephrase that:

One or two years of a "7" figure salary could really make a difference in his familie's future.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

wow just imagine if we had fischer with us now knocking the crap out of those forwards in the back , that would be a HUGE boost to the back ....... but ya as much as id love for that to happen his life is more important , he should take care of himself and get a wings job in the organization for the future

[union drone 0]

Imagine Fish and Pain Train paired on D.

Too bad it will probably never happen.

[Lidstromrules16 7]

I say if anything, we let him play one final game with us when he is up to it. Lets not let his last memory on the rink be the one we will remember.

this is of course unless it risks his health. No sport is worth dying over

[HenryMalredo 2]

He won't be back. And everybody is forgeting that Fischer isn't the only one who has a say in if he'll play for the Wings again, the Wings won't bring him back if his condition is not taken care of.

[Third Man In 2,091]

I'm not missing the point of what you're saying. I'm saying I don't think its worth it. If Jiri feels it is, I question his priorities.

Questioning his priorities may be going a bit too far. Consider things from his perspective: playing hockey is what he loves to do. He has a near fatal incident during a game, and then as the article says, he suffers "two more heart attacks while resting at home over the following two weeks." So it isn't necessarily clear that what happened has anything to do with his playing hockey. It may or may not ever recurr regardless of whether he plays hockey again. If you're living with a Sword of Damocles over your head, isn't it worth doing what you love rather than sitting on the couch all day?

That being said, I agree that it's best for both parties if he doesn't play for the Red Wings again--it's simply not worth the risk. But if he plays hockey again is between Jiri, his family, and his doctors.

[Guest jaytan]

lids-kron

big fish-brian

lebda-cheli

quincy

As much as I'd be pleased to see him make such an amazing recovery, I must say it's a bit too early for this, no?

[Learn2LuvIt 246]

If he did play again...I'd be nervous as hell just watching him play at first...it would almost be a distraction from the game. Happy to see him play again...but geez it would be hard to not think about another incident.

Jiri,

It's your life...do whatever you and your family want to do. Besides....you only live once twice

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

So glad to see that Fisch is okay and is doing what he is doing for the foundationg.

As much as I love and want him to come back I don't at the same time. Don't want to risk anything happening to him again.

[Mudvayneowns91 0]

good points. i would love to see him back as well. i obviously want him safe, but if the doctor's say go, then go.

Exactly. It's obvious that we all miss the guy on the ice, but more importantly, his safety comes first. But If there are doctors that will give him the go to play. That's entirely different.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I'm not missing the point of what you're saying. I'm saying I don't think its worth it. If Jiri feels it is, I question his priorities.

Jiri has money. He made $1.444 million last year and the year before, and assuming after the on-ice incident took place he became fiscally responsible, he would've made roughly $1.759 million after taxes. If he invests that, he could reasonably live off $100,000 worth of interest every year and never work again, while at the same time keeping his nest-egg at $1.759 million for the rest of his life.

To me, the word "think" isn't enough. If the Doctors could say with 100% certainty that playing hockey again will in no way affect his heart the way it did in 2005, then I'd be all for it. Until they can say that, it would scare the hell out of me every time he touches the ice.

Well, the point i'm making is that if the doctor's clear him or find a way to control his heart rate or whatever metabolic issue he had, if they can do that and he's cleared to play, then it doesn't matter if it scare you to death personally. Its his decision, one that would be based on the advice of his personal doctors. That's enough for me. There is no 100% guarantee for anything and you'll never, ever get a doctor to give you a 100% guarantee on anything. Try it, you'll see. Remember when Pronger got hit in the chest with a puck and it stopped his heart? Wierd s*** happens. If they determine what caused Jiri's problem, can control it and clear him to play, that is as good as it will ever be for anybody in life. There is no 100% guarantee on anything.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Really too bad what happend to Fischer. He was one of the only guys that brought toughness on the blueline, and that element has since been lost for a long time now.

I would love to see him back, and it would be a great feel-good story if he did, but at the same time I want him to retire. It's just too risky for him, and it would be awful if something happened to him again. It would be best for him just to be with his family, and help out the Wings from off the ice.

Edited November 2, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

He won't be back. And everybody is forgeting that Fischer isn't the only one who has a say in if he'll play for the Wings again, the Wings won't bring him back if his condition is not taken care of.

Exactly. Even if Fischer is willing to accept the health risks of playing again, I can't imagine that the Wings would.

He almost died on the bench once already, so they've got a pretty clear idea of what it would be like if it happened again.

As the article mentions, he also had two heart attacks at home after the incident on the bench. Fischer may be convinced that it won't happen again, but I find it highly unlikely that doctors and Wings management will be convinced enough for him to play again.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Questioning his priorities may be going a bit too far. Consider things from his perspective: playing hockey is what he loves to do. He has a near fatal incident during a game, and then as the article says, he suffers "two more heart attacks while resting at home over the following two weeks." So it isn't necessarily clear that what happened has anything to do with his playing hockey. It may or may not ever recurr regardless of whether he plays hockey again. If you're living with a Sword of Damocles over your head, isn't it worth doing what you love rather than sitting on the couch all day?

That being said, I agree that it's best for both parties if he doesn't play for the Red Wings again--it's simply not worth the risk. But if he plays hockey again is between Jiri, his family, and his doctors.

That's true......and if the doctors can honestly say that he's at no more risk playing than he would be sitting on his couch, than I say go for it.

The only reason I would question his priorities is because family has always come first for me. I just can't imagine putting hockey before that. However, that's just me.

[RedWingedKitten 9]

I would not want him to play unless the docters are sure it wont happen again. But it would be the "icing on the cake" for this team.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Well, the point i'm making is that if the doctor's clear him or find a way to control his heart rate or whatever metabolic issue he had, if they can do that and he's cleared to play, then it doesn't matter if it scare you to death personally. Its his decision, one that would be based on the advice of his personal doctors. That's enough for me. There is no 100% guarantee for anything and you'll never, ever get a doctor to give you a 100% guarantee on anything. Try it, you'll see. Remember when Pronger got hit in the chest with a puck and it stopped his heart? Wierd s*** happens. If they determine what caused Jiri's problem, can control it and clear him to play, that is as good as it will ever be for anybody in life. There is no 100% guarantee on anything.

Well of course. I wouldn't have made the comments I've made in this thread if his doctors could do what you just said in the bolded statement. But until a doctor can, I feel its too risky.

Sidenote: Pronger's heart stopping because he was hit with the puck is totally different than someone that has a heart abnormality. People are comparing apples to oranges when you correlate two things like that.

Edited November 2, 2007 by Never Forget Mac #25

[KDDRWINGS1 9]

I'm pretty sure the league doesn't want a repeat of the first incident or worse, I don't know if any players have ever died on live t.v. but that was way to close for prime time. As promising as his career was, and as much as I'd like to see him back, I'm pretty sure that's too much of a risk for him and the NHL to take. I don't think it's in his or the RW's hands anymore, it's a liability for the "new" NHL, they'll decide.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

well lets just assume hes in better shape than grigorenko and only 4 yrs older than him...does he have a better shot at makin a comeback than grigs crackin the roster