rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Watching the highlights of last night's Sens Caps game I noticed Fleischmann scored on a great shot coming down the wing. He has three goals and is playing on a scoring line with Backstrom. His other two goals this year came from chipping in pucks around the net. So he gets his nose dirty. He had 32 points in 20 games in Hershey last year. He along with Detroits 1st round pick went to Washington in exchange for Lang as you all know. The Caps used the pick to draft Mike Green, a 6-1 208lb defenseman projected to be a top four guy. He plays a physical game and has offensive upside. I know we've talked about this before, and I'm not Holland critic, but I think this was a bad deal. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Watching the highlights of last night's Sens Caps game I noticed Fleischmann scored on a great shot coming down the wing. He has three goals and is playing on a scoring line with Backstrom. His other two goals this year came from chipping in pucks around the net. So he gets his nose dirty. He had 32 points in 20 games in Hershey last year. He along with Detroits 1st round pick went to Washington in exchange for Lang as you all know. The Caps used the pick to draft Mike Green, a 6-1 208lb defenseman projected to be a top four guy. He plays a physical game and has offensive upside. I know we've talked about this before, and I'm not Holland critic, but I think this was a bad deal. Thoughts? Fleischmann is barely a 3rd liner when the Caps are healthy, he's an enigma over there. Caps fans are NOT happy with his development and many are calling him a bust already. Mike Green is a good player, but in hindsight it was still a decent trade. Have to give up good assets to get the leagues leading scorer at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Fleischmann is barely a 3rd liner when the Caps are healthy, he's an enigma over there. Caps fans are NOT happy with his development and many are calling him a bust already. Mike Green is a good player, but in hindsight it was still a decent trade. Have to give up good assets to get the leagues leading scorer at the time. Interesting to hear that about Fleischmann. I just look at his numbers in the AHL and think he compares offensively to a guy like Hudler, only with much better size and speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobRouse03 31 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Watching the highlights of last night's Sens Caps game I noticed Fleischmann scored on a great shot coming down the wing. He has three goals and is playing on a scoring line with Backstrom. His other two goals this year came from chipping in pucks around the net. So he gets his nose dirty. He had 32 points in 20 games in Hershey last year. He along with Detroits 1st round pick went to Washington in exchange for Lang as you all know. The Caps used the pick to draft Mike Green, a 6-1 208lb defenseman projected to be a top four guy. He plays a physical game and has offensive upside. I know we've talked about this before, and I'm not Holland critic, but I think this was a bad deal. Thoughts? I was never a big Robert Lang fan, but looking at the deal at the time I don't necessarily think it was a bad deal. He was leading the league in scoring albeit for the Capitals. Lang was not just a rental player either, he stayed with the team for a few seasons. They got more value from him then lets say the Bertuzzi deal. When it comes to prospects you never know what you will get. Fleischmann can become a really strong player, but there are no guarantees. At that time the Wings were primed for another run at the Cup and felt Lang could put them over the top. And if you recall there were alot of people upset that the Wings traded Anders Erickson for Chelios....that deal certainly worked for the Wings. They gave up a prospect for someone they thought could make a difference. In that situation it worked, only time will tell about the Lang deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob the Badger 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 It probably wasn't the best trade in the history of the NHL. But if you look at Detroit's recent past, they've traded away a lot of their future for success right now. Look at all the draft selections we've had and how few of them have been in the first round over the last 15 years or so. But the nice thing about it is, that they have great scouts who find gems in the late rounds like Datsyuk and Zet. So they can still gamble with trades and have a solid draft regardless. I have a lot of faith in Holland and his scouting staff. Yes, there are going to be a few players that might pan out to be good ones that slip through the cracks, but you can't argue with the amount of games that the WIngs win. They've been to the finals 4 times in the last 12 years (11 seasons thanks to the lock out) and have 3 cups to show for it. What other teams wouldn't trade for that kind of record? (Besides the Devils) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Fleischmann is barely a 3rd liner when the Caps are healthy, he's an enigma over there. Caps fans are NOT happy with his development and many are calling him a bust already. Mike Green is a good player, but in hindsight it was still a decent trade. Have to give up good assets to get the leagues leading scorer at the time. Really? I guess i didnt get the memo over here in caps land...at the games people are ranting and raving about loving him...not sure where you got your info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Really? I guess i didnt get the memo over here in caps land...at the games people are ranting and raving about loving him...not sure where you got your info I could be wrong, but reading the Caps message boards gives that impression. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 I could be wrong, but reading the Caps message boards gives that impression. No worries, im not gonna argue with you that his talent might be questionable as he still has a lot to prove. But most people here love his style of play and his recent goals have only fueled it more. Remember right now as much as i have grown to love the caps, they try to grasp at anything they can, and without olie and ovechkin...maybe nylander...there isnt much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob the Badger 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 I think that one of the Caps problems was letting go of Butch Cassidy. He was a good coach, especially with younger talent. They should have kept him, his defensive minded schemes and system was good. I know that it was basically Jagr that ran him out of town, but if the organization was going to let go of Jagr soon anyway, they should have kept the young coach who could help build the org. I think that the Caps would be doing better if Cassidy were still calling the shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEVILSWATERBOY 10 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Lang was a huge bust for the Wings his laziness and the unwillingness to play rough hurt the Wings Edited November 9, 2007 by DEVILSWATERBOY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Lang was a huge bust for the Wings his laziness and the unwillingness to play rough hurt the Wings So didn't his years of: 20g - 42a - 62pts 19g - 33a - 52pts I hate how much of a detriment this guy was to the wings!!!! [/sarcasm] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Lang was a huge bust for the Wings his laziness and the unwillingness to play rough hurt the Wings Yeah, but he gave people something to write about on LGW, and scored huge goals in the playoffs the likes of which have never been seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 I miss Lang. Yeah I said it!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Please. The Wings wouldnt have made it past the Preds if it werent for Lang. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lfd250 1 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Meaning why do we "revisit" old trades. At the time it was thought to be a good deal. Let's revisit the drafting of Grigs. or how the hell did hank last till the 7th round? Point is you roll the dice some times you crap out. Remember Jim Devellano, the Red Wings' then-general manager, wanted to draft Pat LaFontaine, who grew up outside Detroit and played his junior hockey in the area. However, when LaFontaine was taken 3rd overall by the New York Islanders, Devellano settled on Yzerman, drafting him fourth overall in the first round of the draft. Just remember if the wings think it's a good idea at the time, then it just might be. But they have been wrong before: Krupp, Hatcher, Burtuzzi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Watching the highlights of last night's Sens Caps game I noticed Fleischmann scored on a great shot coming down the wing. He has three goals and is playing on a scoring line with Backstrom. His other two goals this year came from chipping in pucks around the net. So he gets his nose dirty. He had 32 points in 20 games in Hershey last year. He along with Detroits 1st round pick went to Washington in exchange for Lang as you all know. The Caps used the pick to draft Mike Green, a 6-1 208lb defenseman projected to be a top four guy. He plays a physical game and has offensive upside. I know we've talked about this before, and I'm not Holland critic, but I think this was a bad deal. Thoughts? You make it sound like Holland revved up the flux capacitor and new that Fleishmann would score those goals and maybe more and the draft pick would be a possible big time player and still went ahead with it just for something to do. Hindsight my friend, hindsight. Edited November 9, 2007 by LIDDYGIBBY5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Langer!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Meaning why do we "revisit" old trades. At the time it was thought to be a good deal. Let's revisit the drafting of Grigs. or how the hell did hank last till the 7th round? Point is you roll the dice some times you crap out. Remember Jim Devellano, the Red Wings' then-general manager, wanted to draft Pat LaFontaine, who grew up outside Detroit and played his junior hockey in the area. However, when LaFontaine was taken 3rd overall by the New York Islanders, Devellano settled on Yzerman, drafting him fourth overall in the first round of the draft. Just remember if the wings think it's a good idea at the time, then it just might be. But they have been wrong before: Krupp, Hatcher, Burtuzzi. Well, often times you have to wait a few years to see who "wins" a trade. Especially when prosepects are involved. I was looking for people's opinion on how this particular trade looks now, in retrospect, not a synopsis of Back To The Future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Please. The Wings wouldnt have made it past the Preds if it werent for Lang. He was one of the best players in the playoffs in 04 for the Wings and was one of the betters ones in 06. The trade was a good one. Whos to say Fleischmann would even be playing on this team and I can for sure you he wouldn't have been playing the years Lang was here. And again like people have said you have to give up something to get something. Its easy now to say oh he was lazy or whatever. Most people here were throwing a party when the Wings picked up the leagues leading scorer. Edited November 9, 2007 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 You make it sound like Holland revved up the flux capacitor and new that Fleishmann would score those goals and maybe more and the draft pick would be a possible big time player and still went ahead with it just for something to do. Hindsight my friend, hindsight. No. But people do like to talk about deals a few years later. Like the Lindros trade, or some of the deals that Milbury made. We talk about what a steal Murphy was in 97 at the deadline. A few people here have cited the Chelios deal as being a good one. Or Draper for $1. It's fun to analyze in "hindsight". Don't you think? No one's suggesting that Holland needs a new crystal ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 i don't regret the trade. i don't know why Lang gets half the crap people on the boards give him. when he was with us he was one of our top performers in the playoffs. in hindsight i think it was still a good trade. a prospect and a pick for the league leading scorer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Lang: HHOF or Bust? Edited November 9, 2007 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinRedWing 172 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 So didn't his years of: 20g - 42a - 62pts 19g - 33a - 52pts I hate how much of a detriment this guy was to the wings!!!! [/sarcasm] He was leading the league in scoring . Like Zetterberg's doing now. I certainly hope Z won't put up numbers like that in the next two seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 No. But people do like to talk about deals a few years later. Like the Lindros trade, or some of the deals that Milbury made. We talk about what a steal Murphy was in 97 at the deadline. A few people here have cited the Chelios deal as being a good one. Or Draper for $1. It's fun to analyze in "hindsight". Don't you think? No one's suggesting that Holland needs a new crystal ball. Bad trades, good trades, or even trades. I really don't think that it matters. If the trade didn't happen who is to say that Fleishmann even scores any goals or even makes the Red Wings. You never know what is going to happen, looking back on trades like this are really pointless because of all of the intangibles that we can't even start to think of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted November 9, 2007 (edited) Bad trades, good trades, or even trades. I really don't think that it matters. If the trade didn't happen who is to say that Fleishmann even scores any goals or even makes the Red Wings. You never know what is going to happen, looking back on trades like this are really pointless because of all of the intangibles that we can't even start to think of. It's called hockey talk. It is endorsed and condoned in this forum. And you're participating in it as we speak. edit:spelling Edited November 9, 2007 by rick zombo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
