Official: Weight traded to Ducks for Andy McDonald

[RedWingedKitten 9]

There offence took a huge hit. But does anyone else take a look at there defense? It is godly. (assuming Scott gets back the skill level he once had)

However, I fear not. Our defense can hold them easily, and i'm sure Dats and Z can break anything.

[Guest DetroitIan]

There offence took a huge hit. But does anyone else take a look at there defense? It is godly. (assuming Scott gets back the skill level he once had)

However, I fear not. Our defense can hold them easily, and i'm sure Dats and Z can break anything.

Im with ya. As much as Im glad to see them lose Andy Mac, I think about their defense now and realize they have the best defense on paper. Now if they can pull it all together is a different story. But their defensive core is unreal.

Edited December 15, 2007 by DetroitIan

[Kp-Wings 3]

okay, i'll say it. Couldn't we have offered anything better than doug weight? We all know we've needed a second line center all year. I havn't checked how much mc gets paid but would it have been worth it to throw someone at them?

Hehe, ideal situation would be Samuelsson for McDonald.

[Guest DetroitIan]

Hehe, ideal situation would be Samuelsson for McDonald.

Not even Burke is that insane....or is he? lol

[imisssergei 0]

A lot of you are missing the fact that the Ducks now have, bar none, the best defense in the NHL, while still maintaining a solid offense.

Add Giggy to the mix and things are looking pretty sweet for the Ducks.

As for the Wings trying to get McDonald, I don't think Burke would deal him to Detroit unless it was a pretty sweet deal for him.

[revnic 0]

boyes, kariya, mcdonald line would own.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

In and of itself, losing Penner is not a big fault. But his unwillingness to shell out for Penner, combined with paying $4 mill for Bert makes it a bad move by Burke. Yes it's tough to lock up RFA's, but that's the job of a good GM. Even if it seems like too much in the short term, a good GM should be able to evaluate their long-term talent and worth, and also the likelihood of some other team making an offer.

Burke seems to be the ultimate short-term GM. I just don't see how a good GM can not manage to keep Penner, and at the same time throw that kind of money at Bertuzzi.

Penner is seriously overpaid, but he had to be by Lowe or Burke would've just matched.

And the floodgates are hardly wide open. Exactly how many RFA's have been picked up by other teams?

What I meant by the floodgates being opened wasn't that tons of guys were getting pilfered, it was more that the first stone was cast with Kesler at a time when this was very no-no. Then came Vanek and hot on his heels Penner. Then you have the Flyers specifically stating that one of the reasons they wanted to get this done with Richards was to avoid him being tendered an RFA offer from another club. For GM's to state this publicly shows what a legitimate threat the RFA offer sheet has become in so little time.

Basically, I'm saying that what was once an unwritten rule amongst GM's seemed to lose alot of its luster very quickly. It only takes a couple of holes to bust the whole thing wide open and that's what I think we are starting to see.

There hasn't been much movement but IMO the floodgates are wide open for offers now to be tendered.

[eva unit zero 271]

Burke is officially a moron. I mean...he couldn't get anything better than Doug Weight and mediocre prospects for Andy freakin McDonald? Just so you all can see it...here's Burke's major moves put together since the Cup win:

OUT: Dustin Penner, Andy McDonald, Teemu Selanne, Ilya Bryzgalov

IN: Doug Weight, Todd Bertuzzi, Mathieu Schneider, a couple prospects and picks.

That is absolutely HORRIBLE. Penner has as many points as Bertuzzi and Weight COMBINED. Had Burke offered Penner 2.5m, he probably would have signed. That would have meant he wouldn't have needed to sign Bertuzzi, nor would he have had to trade for Weight to get Niedermayer back. Now he's out two young, skilled scorers and has two old, ineffective veterans instead. Burke has now given up his three best goal scorers from last year in favor of a washed up winger, a washed up center, and an aging offensive defenseman who hasn't been able to stay healthy this season. Oh, and he gave up a cheap starter-caliber goaltender who is probably a better netminder than his overstuffed starter to a division rival, and that was for free!

[interminded 1]

Burke is officially a moron. I mean...he couldn't get anything better than Doug Weight and mediocre prospects for Andy freakin McDonald? Just so you all can see it...here's Burke's major moves put together since the Cup win:

OUT: Dustin Penner, Andy McDonald, Teemu Selanne, Ilya Bryzgalov

IN: Doug Weight, Todd Bertuzzi, Mathieu Schneider, a couple prospects and picks.

That is absolutely HORRIBLE. Penner has as many points as Bertuzzi and Weight COMBINED. Had Burke offered Penner 2.5m, he probably would have signed. That would have meant he wouldn't have needed to sign Bertuzzi, nor would he have had to trade for Weight to get Niedermayer back. Now he's out two young, skilled scorers and has two old, ineffective veterans instead. Burke has now given up his three best goal scorers from last year in favor of a washed up winger, a washed up center, and an aging offensive defenseman who hasn't been able to stay healthy this season. Oh, and he gave up a cheap starter-caliber goaltender who is probably a better netminder than his overstuffed starter to a division rival, and that was for free!

You're right.

It is horrible.

And it clearly shows.... the Ducks went from a Stanley Cup champion team to a mediocre NHL team.

Trading McDonald for Doug Weight ?? That's really not a step forward, IMO.

Niedermayer is a great hockeyplayer, but hardly the messias the Ducks should be looking for.

[Duck Guy 86]

There offence took a huge hit. But does anyone else take a look at there defense? It is godly. (assuming Scott gets back the skill level he once had)

However, I fear not. Our defense can hold them easily, and i'm sure Dats and Z can break anything.

thats one of the reasons burke would not trade a D man because he likes to have a excellent D rather then a excellent Offense. Though i do think losing andy mac will hurt the ducks in that aspect the defense will break at times and will need scoring to bail them out. Unlike tonight when they lost 2-5 no Offense at all and the D well lets just say scotty will be some help... and hopefully teemu comes back and does something with their scoring... just my opinion Overall... I dont know whether or not this is a bad trade or not weight might click with the line he is put on and maybe not only time will tell.

[The Noodle 39 14]

lol the blues have done this before they always send Weight packing for a freebie player cause Weight will be back with the blues once the season is over. If i was Dougie though i would be getting mad cause they always trade him away to get some young talent but he will prob be back in St. Louis next year.

[cprice12 117]

lol the blues have done this before they always send Weight packing for a freebie player cause Weight will be back with the blues once the season is over. If i was Dougie though i would be getting mad cause they always trade him away to get some young talent but he will prob be back in St. Louis next year.

John Davidson said tonight that Doug Weight is not in the future plans of the St. Louis Blues and they would NOT pursue him next year if he was available.

Very good trade for the Blues. We got younger and we got a little better. It's really a win win situation for St. Louis.

McDonald has 61 goals over the past two seasons and we traded an over the hill, slumping, struggling, Doug Weight for him.

I know McDonald is struggling this year as well...but the upside for St. Louis is pretty big.

We'll see how it goes.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

A lot of you are missing the fact that the Ducks now have, bar none, the best defense in the NHL, while still maintaining a solid offense.

Add Giggy to the mix and things are looking pretty sweet for the Ducks.

As for the Wings trying to get McDonald, I don't think Burke would deal him to Detroit unless it was a pretty sweet deal for him.

The Ducks are losing games because they dont have a great offense. That offense just took a step back in terms of production, speed, and health when looking at Weights propensity for being injury prone. Sure they can have an amazing PP unit and defense (although, IMO, their defense isnt as great a shutdown defense as its made out to be), but Perry and Getzlaf only get them so far.

Even if Selanne does come back...Selanne-Weight-Bertuzzi??? Thats a far cry from what any Selanne line looked like last year.

[akustyk 84]

this trade alone is also a win for Burke. let's restate this for a moment: it's McDonald for Weight and Niedermayer. because otherwise he'd not be able to accomodate Scotty on the roster.

the other thing here is that it was the very same Burke who locked McDonald for fat 3M$/yr after a bubble year of stats inflated by Teemu. and the same moron who pays Bertuzzi fat salary. nice to see TSN-beloved Brian having to eat some s*t

[eva unit zero 271]

this trade alone is also a win for Burke. let's restate this for a moment: it's McDonald for Weight and Niedermayer. because otherwise he'd not be able to accomodate Scotty on the roster.

Yeah, because he had no other way to make room for Niedermayer than by dumping off McDonald for Weight. If McDonald as that unneccessary to his team's success that they needed no offense coming back, why not deal him for high end prospects rather than a washed up center and weak prospects?

the other thing here is that it was the very same Burke who locked McDonald for fat 3M$/yr after a bubble year of stats inflated by Teemu. and the same moron who pays Bertuzzi fat salary. nice to see TSN-beloved Brian having to eat some s*t

McDonald's offensive breakout coincided with his being moved to the first line after the trade of Sergei Fedorov. While it's likely that his numbers were padded by playing with Selanne, consider that his contract is not terribly different from Henrik Zetterberg's deal signed after the 2003-04 season. Zetterberg had a career high of 22 goals and 44 points at the time, compared to McDonald's 34 and 85 when he signed his. 3m is not a 'fat' contract for a player of McDonald's caliber.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Yes and yes.

Next year was the problem, but under some CBA tagging rule, to bring Niedermayer back now they had to have cap space for him next year (he's signed through the 09 season).

I wonder how many hockey fans still think Burke is the best GM out there?

He's totally screwed himself. Overpaying for Bertuzzi, having Penner stolen, getting nothing for Bryzgalov, now getting Weight for McDonald?

I'm loving this.

Even if Holland gets a little too much credit for building the Cup winning teams, at least when he took over he didn't screw up the team like Burke is.

I don't know about the penner thing. Sure he could've resigned him earlier and not let him become a rfa but all those draft picks for penner is a win in the long term IMO.

As for the deal the ducks coudlve done a better salary dump trade to get Scott N back. Weight is ******* useless now.

Eva Makes a good Point

OUT: Dustin Penner, Andy McDonald, Teemu Selanne, Ilya Bryzgalov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

IN: Doug Weight, Todd Bertuzzi, Mathieu Schneider, a couple prospects and picks

Edited December 15, 2007 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Burke builds winning franchises.

I'm not saying all his moves have been great. But to call the guy a moron when he built a consistent winner in Vancouver and took the Ducks to the Cup last year is more of people being emotional in their posts rather than rationale. Yeah, alot of you hate Burke I get that. But moron? I don't think so.

By the way people, the Ducks problem isn't scoring goals. It's been stopping them from going in. They've given up 99 goals, 4th most in the West.

Scott Niedermayer will almost single-handedly improve their GAA.

I find it funny that if the Wings added a pretty good Dman, maybe a #3 or 4 guy, people would cream in their pants about how unbeatable we'd become.

Yet the Ducks are about to get one of the 3 best Dmen on the planet and yet we scoff at that like he's so much rubbish and won't have that much of an impact. ???? I don't get it. Sounds like a fear of facing the truth to me.

Ducks have played much of the season without Bertuzzi and Schnieder and the entire season without Niedermayer.

As of today they are .500, A WHOPPING 4 POINTS BEHIND DALLAS AND SAN JOSE. Oh yes, the Ducks are toast as those two teams have clearly pulled away in the standings.

I have mad respect for Burke's ability to produce winning teams. The Ducks have the best defense in the league. Sorry, that's a fact. They combine Norris calibre skill with Scott and Pronger. They have one of the biggest shots from the point in Matty. Beuchemin is a guy 29 other teams would pair on their #1 or #2 d pairings in a heartbeat. Odonnell provides toughness, size. You don't even have to go to their 6th and 7th dmen. That's the best D in the league now.

And having the best D in the league will once again make Giguere look unbeatable.

Much like the Wings do it, offense can be driven by the defense. The Ducks just got the best rushing dman in the league. It is going to improve their goal scoring and their defense. They are for real now.

PS: Let us not forget that Gordie is always right people. I'm telling you right now that the Ducks are playoff bound. Hell, they might even win the division. I guarantee they'll finish no worse than 2nd in their division.

[eva unit zero 271]

Burke builds winning franchises.

I'm not saying all his moves have been great. But to call the guy a moron when he built a consistent winner in Vancouver and took the Ducks to the Cup last year is more of people being emotional in their posts rather than rationale. Yeah, alot of you hate Burke I get that. But moron? I don't think so.

What players did Burke acquire in Vancouver that made the team a consistent winner? I'll give you a hint... his biggest name acquisition was #2 defenseman Ed Jovanovski, who he gave up Pavel Bure for.

By the way people, the Ducks problem isn't scoring goals. It's been stopping them from going in. They've given up 99 goals, 4th most in the West.

Scott Niedermayer will almost single-handedly improve their GAA.

I find it funny that if the Wings added a pretty good Dman, maybe a #3 or 4 guy, people would cream in their pants about how unbeatable we'd become.

Yet the Ducks are about to get one of the 3 best Dmen on the planet and yet we scoff at that like he's so much rubbish and won't have that much of an impact. ???? I don't get it. Sounds like a fear of facing the truth to me.

Ducks have played much of the season without Bertuzzi and Schnieder and the entire season without Niedermayer.

As of today they are .500, A WHOPPING 4 POINTS BEHIND DALLAS AND SAN JOSE. Oh yes, the Ducks are toast as those two teams have clearly pulled away in the standings.

I have mad respect for Burke's ability to produce winning teams. The Ducks have the best defense in the league. Sorry, that's a fact. They combine Norris calibre skill with Scott and Pronger. They have one of the biggest shots from the point in Matty. Beuchemin is a guy 29 other teams would pair on their #1 or #2 d pairings in a heartbeat. Odonnell provides toughness, size. You don't even have to go to their 6th and 7th dmen. That's the best D in the league now.

Wait..so you're saying the Ducks #4 defenseman could be a top four on just about any other team? That's a shocking revelation that suggests only that he's a top-four defenseman. Chris Chelios could play top-four on just about any NHL team too, and he plays on Detroit's third pairing.

And having the best D in the league will once again make Giguere look unbeatable.

Much like the Wings do it, offense can be driven by the defense. The Ducks just got the best rushing dman in the league. It is going to improve their goal scoring and their defense. They are for real now.

And they just gave up the third of their top three forward scorers from last season...they may be better on the back end but they are a lot weaker up front; McDonald was the only player on the second line that was producing, and now he's gone.

PS: Let us not forget that Gordie is always right people. I'm telling you right now that the Ducks are playoff bound. Hell, they might even win the division. I guarantee they'll finish no worse than 2nd in their division.

[edicius 3,269]

By the way people, the Ducks problem isn't scoring goals. It's been stopping them from going in. They've given up 99 goals, 4th most in the West.

The Ducks have the best defense in the league. Sorry, that's a fact. They combine Norris calibre skill with Scott and Pronger. They have one of the biggest shots from the point in Matty. Beuchemin is a guy 29 other teams would pair on their #1 or #2 d pairings in a heartbeat. Odonnell provides toughness, size. You don't even have to go to their 6th and 7th dmen. That's the best D in the league now.

Those two statements seem a little contradictory to me. Sure, they're adding Niedermayer, which will help things. But having given up the 4th MOST goals in the West? Even Phoenix is better than that. I don't see Niedermayer as being the savior that everyone seems to make him out to be. Additionally, Pronger has NOT been good this season. He's a -4 on the season thus far. Let's compare that to another "Norris calibre" defenseman in Lidstrom...with a +17. A good, much less "Norris calibre" defenseman should NEVER be in the minus for his season stats at this stage of the season.

The Ducks are very mediocre this season. Sorry, that's a fact. Adding a great player to a mediocre team isn't always a gamebreaker. Look at Washington. Look at Pittsburgh.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

What players did Burke acquire in Vancouver that made the team a consistent winner? I'll give you a hint... his biggest name acquisition was #2 defenseman Ed Jovanovski, who he gave up Pavel Bure for.

Wait..so you're saying the Ducks #4 defenseman could be a top four on just about any other team? That's a shocking revelation that suggests only that he's a top-four defenseman. Chris Chelios could play top-four on just about any NHL team too, and he plays on Detroit's third pairing.

And they just gave up the third of their top three forward scorers from last season...they may be better on the back end but they are a lot weaker up front; McDonald was the only player on the second line that was producing, and now he's gone.

Eva, the difference between you and me is that you have an incessant need to be right whereas I am just always right.

Tell you what, at season end, if the Ducks aren't at least 2nd in their division and playoff bound, I will come in here and state how unbelievably smart you are.

BUT......should the Ducks fortunes turn around for the better here and they win their division or finish 2nd and make the playoffs, I FULLY expect you to start a special thread stating how great I am and how smart I am.

Let me give you some advice, quit spending so much time nitpicking s*** like whether you'd rather take the Hartnell hit into the boards or the Downey hit to the head and whether or not a guy who is going to the All Star game this year (cough, cough Beauchemin AND NOT CHELIOS) is truly a #3 or #4 guy when I think he can play on any top pairing in the league.

Why not spend more time on the steak and not the peas my friend. We'll see who is right at the end of this season.

Oh yeah, and Burke is a terrible, moronic GM. Somebody go get that Stanley Cup ring off his finger he must've stole it.

Who gives a flying f*** that the highest profile player he brought in in Vancouver was Jovo? He brought ******* Brad May into Anaheim last year when they had boat loads of toughness already. He brought in his people and they helped him win a cup. They don't have to be marquee players. All they have to do is get you a ring and he did that. Moron? Eh, I don't think so.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Eva, the difference between you and me is that you have an incessant need to be right whereas I am just always right.

Tell you what, at season end, if the Ducks aren't at least 2nd in their division and playoff bound, I will come in here and state how unbelievably smart you are.

THEM FIGHTING WORDS! Too bad they're not true.

Burke did not Draft Getzlaf, Corey Perry or Penner. Nidermayer was already coming because of his brother wanting a cup.

I do belive the ducks will be in the playoffs but to think that they haven't gotten weaker in this offseason soley because of burke is absoloutly retarted.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Sorry Gordie, I think your man-love for Burke is blinding you the same way his made man-love for Bertuzzi made him think he's a better player than he actually is.

No, Burke isn't the worst GM in the league. But after winning the Cup, he failed to sign Penner and had him stolen, paid $4 mill for 2 years for Bert, got nothing for Bryzgalov, and now traded Andy McDonald for Doug Weight.

There's not getting around that those are some mistakes. Niedermayer gets some of the blame for having him overpay for Schneider, but Burke still put himself in a position where he didn't have the cap room to sign upcoming RFA's like Perry.

It's as if he can't think past one season at a time.

If people think Holland gets too much credit here for the Cup winning teams, then Burke sure as hell does for winning the Cup last year.

EDIT: grammar.

Edited December 15, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[eva unit zero 271]

Who gives a flying f*** that the highest profile player he brought in in Vancouver was Jovo? He brought ******* Brad May into Anaheim last year when they had boat loads of toughness already. He brought in his people and they helped him win a cup. They don't have to be marquee players. All they have to do is get you a ring and he did that. Moron? Eh, I don't think so.

I never claimed the Ducks wouldn't make the playoffs. Saying Burke harmed his team by giving up McDonald for Weight is not claiming the Ducks will miss the playoffs.

Burke has a Cup ring. That still doesn't make this a good deal. But what makes Burke a moron is the fact that he has given up his top three goal scoring forwards from last season, two of whom are just entering their prime, and in return has gotten two overpriced washed up vets who are well past their prime.

Oh, and if Beauchemin goes to the All-Star game...it's a joke. Lidstrom, Rafalski, Pronger, Phaneuf, Zubov, Jovanovski, Aucoin, Schneider, Hainsey, Zidlicky, Rivet, Byfuglien, Suter, Liles, Hamhuis, Keith are all better than or equal to Beauchemin in points and plus/minus. The fact that Beauchemin has been the third best Ducks defenseman this season alone will exclude him from the game. Lidstrom, Pronger, Phaneuf, and Zubov are basically locks. Schneider gets in before Beauchemin by virtue of being a better defenseman on the same team. Do you think Beauchemin beats out Rafalski or Visnovsky for that last spot? I sure as hell don't. You SERIOUSLY overrate Beauchemin if you think he has played well enough to earn an All-Star selection at this point.

Oh...and people criticized Mike Keenan for bringing in 'his guys' and that's how he won a Cup. Keenan is also reviled as a horrible GM, and yet he's built more winning teams than Brian Burke. Wonder how that works.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

THEM FIGHTING WORDS! Too bad they're not true.

Burke did not Draft Getzlaf, Corey Perry or Penner. Nidermayer was already coming because of his brother wanting a cup.

I do belive the ducks will be in the playoffs but to think that they haven't gotten weaker in this offseason soley because of burke is absoloutly retarted.

Exactly.

And the Pronger deal pretty much fell in his lap because Pronger wanted out of Edmonton.

[German Red Wing 0]

McDonald to St. Louis for Weight and some bags of pucks?

*sarcasm*

The timing of that move is brilliant, since we will be playing the Blues three times within 12 days starting on December 20th. Merry Christmas!

*end sarcasm*