Jackman out with concussion

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Not a surprise, but the Blues are calling it dirty.

Trailing by two goals in the second period, the Blues had a scare when defenseman Barret Jackman went face first into the boards on a hit Johan Franzen. Replays showed that Franzen gave Jackman a hefty elbow on the check.

"Clearly a hit from behind .. clearly a hit from behind ... clearly," Murray said. "I'm concerned about the Jackman call because we got a player hurt. That's what this league is supposed to be correcting."

Murray said he was frustrated not to get an explanation on the no-call against Franzen for a possible boarding.

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Murray can shut it for all I care.. Mule is a beast and Jackman can't handle it when it comes to someone his size

[Dabura 12,232]

Murray said he was frustrated not to get an explanation on the no-call against Franzen for a possible boarding.

He should be more for frustrated over his team getting its collective ass handed to it 5-0.

Clean hit, Andy. Suck it up and move on.

[tazzer82 0]

I like how their announcers were saying it was an elbow, but the ref told one of their players it was a clean hit, also mentioned in the article. Walker still should have gotten the instigator penalty, and didn't even win that scuffle. Not really a fight cause he mostly just punched 'Stein in the back of the head. Blues don't like it when someone gets one of their guys cleanly.

Suck it up bunch of whiners.

[heretic69 10]

Dear Santa:

Thank you.

[Dabura 12,232]

Dear Santa:

Thank you.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I don't know that it was totally clean. It was from behind, but Jackman did rotate towards the boards right before the hit.

The main thing is that it didn't look like Franzen even hit him that hard. I was surprised by the result.

And I didn't see an elbow. But I only watched the highlight a few times and got tired of trying to find the relevant portion on the ESPN highlights.

[Vincanni 1]

On a side note I really hope he's not too badly injured and that he has a speedy recoveree hee ha Ha HA, oh god! Oh GOD! Couldn't keep a straight face on that one, ha ha ha oh man!

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

For what it's worth this "dirty" hit isn't even on the radar over at hfboards, where typically any questionable hit is posted seconds after it happens with someone demanding a suspension.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Murray has got some ******* nerve. The Blues calling someone else dirty is like the pot calling the kettle black. f*** the blues, their organization, and their airhead fans. If they don't like the hit, tough luck. Now they know how we felt whenever Ryan Johnson runs our goalies, or when Drake ran our players from behind. And Jackman is a spotpicker that deserves to be injured, so I'm going to get more sleep now knowing that this happened to him.

[tazzer82 0]

clip of the fight(lackthereof) and also a replay of the hit.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I'm never one to wish injury upon anyone, but the punk had it coming.

[Dabura 12,232]

I don't know that it was totally clean. It was from behind, but Jackman did rotate towards the boards right before the hit.

The thing is, the hit was only from "behind" because, like you said, Jackman turned towards the boards. The hit itself -- at least as Franzen was planning it about 0.4 seconds before impact -- wasn't questionable; Jackman knew it was coming. He just put himself in a bad position.

Certainly not the classic blindside "hit from behind" that Murray apparently saw. Had Franzen really wanted to hurt Jackman, he would have taken out his left leg.

As it is, Jackman's lucky he only has a concussion.

Edited December 28, 2007 by Dabura

[tazzer82 0]

The thing is, the hit was only from "behind" because, like you said, Jackman turned towards the boards. The hit itself -- at least as Franzen was planning it about 0.4 seconds before impact -- wasn't questionable; Jackman knew it was coming. He just put himself in a bad position.

Certainly not the classic blindside "hit from behind" that Murray apparently saw. Had Franzen really wanted to hurt Jackman, he would have taken out his left leg.

As it is, Jackman's lucky he only has a concussion.

Great look at it there. There was never an elbow as Murray claimed either, so they can suck it up. I'm glad 'Stein can deliver a clean hit, and maybe now Jackman will learn not to go after Rex and the other skilled guys.

[kylee 727]

im never happy when someone gets injuried (even Jackman)

but what goes around comes around.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Questionable board, (for those that like to think the Wings do no wrong when it comes to things like this )but I liked it and have no problem with it. Good for Franzen taking it to him! Nor do i have any problem with Walker going after and punching down Franzen afterwards. Two good plays right there. What i do have somewhat of a problem with though, is Downey not going after Walker in the 3rd. I seen they came together at one point, I dont understand what Downey was thinking there. Im sure as an enforcer himself he completely understood why Walker did what he did, but still...i think you've gotta fight him there anyways, especially in a lopsided decided game. Unless Babcock put the leash on him so he could get more ice time...,i dont know. Either way i was disappointed.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Questionable board, (for those that like to think the Wings do no wrong when it comes to things like this )but I liked it and have no problem with it. Good for Franzen taking it to him! Nor do i have any problem with Walker going after and punching down Franzen afterwards. Two good plays right there. What i do have somewhat of a problem with though, is Downey not going after Walker in the 3rd. I seen they came together at one point, I dont understand what Downey was thinking there. Im sure as an enforcer himself he completely understood why Walker did what he did, but still...i think you've gotta fight him there anyways, especially in a lopsided decided game. Unless Babcock put the leash on him so he could get more ice time...,i dont know. Either way i was disappointed.

Yeah, I was disappointed too. I wouldn't be surprised if Babcock put the leash on him up 5-0, especially if he was afraid of some brawl breaking out. Also, since Franzen is a non-fighter, I would love to have seen Downey go after some puss on their team, like maybe Tkachuk or Ryan Johnson who's always running our goalies.

[savaking72 0]

I feel sorry about the concussion, but at the same time I'm not overly broken up about it. With the knee to knee hit on Holmstrom I feel all is fair. Even though it wasn't Jackman that kneed Holmer. I am still glad someone on the Blues took a fall. they are overly aggresive, making dirty hits (not letting off), and raising the sticks. Anyone notice during last night's game that the Blue's checking game went out the window when our 4th line was on the ice? They can beat up on the little guys, but can't hang with the big dogs.

[Draperfan 104]

Listen, I can't stand Jackman as much as the next person, but I don't think it's appropriate to be cheering or be excited to see potentially career ending injuries. Now, Jackman's concussion most likely isn't career threatening, but it's just not right. You'd all be crying bloody hell if this happened to someone on the Wings.

Get a life it couldnt happen to a better guy...ha ha Jackman

[Dabura 12,232]

Questionable board

I suppose it's kind of a moot point, but I really don't see boarding on that play. It may look a little questionable from the camera angle on the screen caps I provided, but if you imagine yourself looking at Jackman from Franzen's perspective in the first shot, you'd see Jackman head-on. That he was pushed into the boards in a "dangerous" way (boarding) is 100% Jackman's fault. For being such a "tough" player, he made the classic pansy move of turning away from a shoulder-to-shoulder hit along the boards and showing the checker the number on the back of his jersey.

He was probably hoping he could spin to the right and dodge the hit altogether...which is OK. But he should man-up and admit that, not let his coach cry intent to injure.

Edited December 28, 2007 by Dabura

[BlueMonk 102]

Unless Babcock put the leash on him so he could get more ice time...,i dont know. Either way i was disappointed.

Murray said Downey did have the leash on him. Not sure how he came to that conclusion, though.

"You know, who are they going to step up against on their team? Aaron Downey, maybe? But Aaron Downey was told, when they got the lead, to keep his gloves on, and so...I mean, we have to be tougher on their good players, and we plan to be."

[esteef 2,679]

Enjoying those new emoticons I see!

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Cheers!

esteef

[stormboy 47]

Murray said Downey did have the leash on him. Not sure how he came to that conclusion, though.

"You know, who are they going to step up against on their team? Aaron Downey, maybe? But Aaron Downey was told, when they got the lead, to keep his gloves on, and so...I mean, we have to be tougher on their good players, and we plan to be."

so...he's basically saying that since downey wasn't going to fight they had free reign to rough up hudler and other skilled non-fighters on our team? and he's bitching about our players' "dirty" play. i totally agree that jackman rotated towards the boards split seconds before the hit. in no way did it seem like franzen was lining him up for an intentional board. and i don't see the elbow at all. *shrug* maybe i'm just a homer. but this one i just don't see.

it's interesting...after the game when we beat the wild 5-0 and hasek sent gabby flying, weren't the reported quotes all about hasek's intent to injure gaborik? i mean, you can make an argument on either of those plays (hasek's or franzen's -- both of which i believe were mostly if not entirely acceptable) but i think it's somehow ironic that after both big time blow outs, the coaches aren't talking much about the game (what are they going to say about it) but rather taking the focus off of their teams catastrophic failure and on to something else.

anyway, the wings are playing out of their minds right now and winning games like nobody's business. keep it up.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Murray said Downey did have the leash on him. Not sure how he came to that conclusion, though.

"You know, who are they going to step up against on their team? Aaron Downey, maybe? But Aaron Downey was told, when they got the lead, to keep his gloves on, and so...I mean, we have to be tougher on their good players, and we plan to be."

It's interesting how most successful coaches seem to do all their talking about their own team's performance, instead of yapping in the press about their opponent.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

I'm never one to wish injury upon anyone, but the punk had it coming.

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You say something, then say the opposite. You funny.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

great, thats less deuchbags i have to watch when we play st louis