lock up filppula and the other guys longterm now !

[Guest wingswillwincup]

i been saying for a while now how due to the raise zetterberg will get and others how we should lock up our guys now before they test the market and could get more down the road and i say we do it fast !

We got 14 mill cap space next season to sign our guys and others .. and 21 when zetterbergs big deal is up

filppula has been doing amazing , the potential we all hoped for and the wings organization is now coming through big time , we should reward him and lock him up longterm ... agreed ?

Same with others .... here are my ideas for contracts let me know if its realistic and too much or not enough , and do you guys think we should react now and lock these guys up??

filppula 5 yrs at 2.75 per yr

cleary 4 yrs at 2.5 per

franzen 3 yrs at 2 per

hudler after next season , 5 yrs 3 per

ozzie 2 yrs 2 per

our cap would go up around 8 million just by signing those guys up ..... and we'd have to lock up or replace .... hasek , chelios , lilja, downey,drake

anyways id definetly like to see filppula and cleary be locked up 4-5 yrs real soon and not have to think about it ..... thoughts??

[YoungGuns1340 1]

What did Hank get on his last contract? was it 4 or 5 years at 2.65M?? Either way, give the same contract to Flip.

[up2here 41]

i been saying for a while now how due to the raise zetterberg will get and others how we should lock up our guys now before they test the market and could get more down the road and i say we do it fast !

We got 14 mill cap space next season to sign our guys and others .. and 21 when zetterbergs big deal is up

filppula has been doing amazing , the potential we all hoped for and the wings organization is now coming through big time , we should reward him and lock him up longterm ... agreed ?

Same with others .... here are my ideas for contracts let me know if its realistic and too much or not enough , and do you guys think we should react now and lock these guys up??

filppula 5 yrs at 2.75 per yr

cleary 4 yrs at 2.5 per

franzen 3 yrs at 2 per

hudler after next season , 5 yrs 3 per

ozzie 2 yrs 2 per

our cap would go up around 8 million just by signing those guys up ..... and we'd have to lock up or replace .... hasek , chelios , lilja, downey,drake

anyways id definetly like to see filppula and cleary be locked up 4-5 yrs real soon and not have to think about it ..... thoughts??

Zetterberg only makes 2.7 this year and 2.9 next.thats chump change compared to what he will be making very soon. We wont have as much cap space after that is done.Filppula sure looks like a keeper though.

Edited December 28, 2007 by UP2HERE

[Guest wingswillwincup]

What did Hank get on his last contract? was it 4 or 5 years at 2.65M?? Either way, give the same contract to Flip.

4 yrs . but i think filppula would be 27 at the end of the 4 yr deal and be able to test free agency ,so id love to him locked up at another year ..... im not sure but i do believe zetterberg had a few 50 pt + seasons and 20 goals when he got that deal , this role hes on right now would be the first significant showings of what he can do that we've seen , thats why id love to have him locked up , but ill take 4 yrs

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Zetterberg only makes 2.7 this year and 2.9 next.thats chump change compared to what he will be making very soon. We wont have as much cap space after that is done.Fillpula sure looks like a keeper though.

http://www.redwingscentral.com/features/orgchart.php

we let samuelsson go and put in a rookie thatll save cap space ....

drake downey kopecky and ellis will have to be resigned or replaced by 2 yrs time , same with lilja and chelios so it can be done , by then lidstrom should retire im guessing

[YoungGuns1340 1]

4 yrs . but i think filppula would be 27 at the end of the 4 yr deal and be able to test free agency ,so id love to him locked up at another year ..... im not sure but i do believe zetterberg had a few 50 pt + seasons and 20 goals when he got that deal , this role hes on right now would be the first significant showings of what he can do that we've seen , thats why id love to have him locked up , but ill take 4 yrs

Yeah but Hank was playing about as much as Hudler because of how deep the Wings were then..

[up2here 41]

http://www.redwingscentral.com/features/orgchart.php

we let samuelsson go and put in a rookie thatll save cap space ....

drake downey kopecky and ellis will have to be resigned or replaced by 2 yrs time , same with lilja and chelios so it can be done , by then lidstrom should retire im guessing

NHL numbers tells a diffrent story.http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=DET. Im guessing your site just took the average which may in fact be what the NHL goes by,either way hes going to make much more. By the way Nick should NEVER retire.

Edited December 28, 2007 by UP2HERE

[FinRedWing 172]

filppula has been doing amazing , the potential we all hoped for and the wings organization is now coming through big time , we should reward him and lock him up longterm ... agreed ?

Music to my ears,couldn't agree more.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

NHL numbers tells a diffrent story.http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=DET. Im guessing your site just took the average which may in fact be what the NHL goes by,either way hes going to make much more. By the way Nick should NEVER retire.

ya the site i posted puts the average salary which counts towards the cap ..... i was thinking , what do you guys think zetterberg will get ?? looks like we got a good deal with datsyuks contract , and lidstrom will be making 7.45 , and as well as zetterberg has done i cant see him making more then lidstrom and much more then datsyuk , 7 yrs 49 million ?? or longterm 7.25 ??

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Lock up Filpula and Cleary to 4 year deals. Yeah, sounds like a GREAT idea.

[thedisappearer 291]

ya the site i posted puts the average salary which counts towards the cap ..... i was thinking , what do you guys think zetterberg will get ?? looks like we got a good deal with datsyuks contract , and lidstrom will be making 7.45 , and as well as zetterberg has done i cant see him making more then lidstrom and much more then datsyuk , 7 yrs 49 million ?? or longterm 7.25 ??

same as dats, give or take a few thou.

[imisssergei 0]

i been saying for a while now how due to the raise zetterberg will get and others how we should lock up our guys now before they test the market and could get more down the road and i say we do it fast !

We got 14 mill cap space next season to sign our guys and others .. and 21 when zetterbergs big deal is up

filppula has been doing amazing , the potential we all hoped for and the wings organization is now coming through big time , we should reward him and lock him up longterm ... agreed ?

Same with others .... here are my ideas for contracts let me know if its realistic and too much or not enough , and do you guys think we should react now and lock these guys up??

filppula 5 yrs at 2.75 per yr

cleary 4 yrs at 2.5 per

franzen 3 yrs at 2 per

hudler after next season , 5 yrs 3 per

ozzie 2 yrs 2 per

our cap would go up around 8 million just by signing those guys up ..... and we'd have to lock up or replace .... hasek , chelios , lilja, downey,drake

anyways id definetly like to see filppula and cleary be locked up 4-5 yrs real soon and not have to think about it ..... thoughts??

Rex is signed through 08/09, extension talks can't be started until July 1, 08. He shouldn't get a 5 year deal.

Cleary is due for an extension, but not at $2.5, maybe $2, but that's pushing it. He is at best a 50 point guy, $1.5 would be generous.

Franzen is in the same contract boat as Rex, I would like to see him signed at around the $1.5 he is scheduled to make next season, any more would be far too much.

Flip will need to be resigned soon. $3 per would be worthwhile spending.

Ozzie needs to be resigned, anything less than $1.25 would be a slap in the face.

Unless Kenny starts smoking crack, Hasek won't be back next season.

Lilja is a bubble player for next season, with a few young d men in GR, he has a good chance of not being back.

Cheli will play until he decides to hang them up.

Downey and Drake likely won't be back. Look for Ellis and Kopy to fill those rolls next season.

[imisssergei 0]

ya the site i posted puts the average salary which counts towards the cap ..... i was thinking , what do you guys think zetterberg will get ?? looks like we got a good deal with datsyuks contract , and lidstrom will be making 7.45 , and as well as zetterberg has done i cant see him making more then lidstrom and much more then datsyuk , 7 yrs 49 million ?? or longterm 7.25 ??

Z could easily get $9-$10 per as a UFA, don't think that Kenny isn't aware of that. He will try to get Z locked up, but it will most likely take more than Lidstrom. I wouldn't be surprised to see Z get $8 per.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Rex is signed through 08/09, extension talks can't be started until July 1, 08. He shouldn't get a 5 year deal.

Cleary is due for an extension, but not at $2.5, maybe $2, but that's pushing it. He is at best a 50 point guy, $1.5 would be generous.

Franzen is in the same contract boat as Rex, I would like to see him signed at around the $1.5 he is scheduled to make next season, any more would be far too much.

Flip will need to be resigned soon. $3 per would be worthwhile spending.

Ozzie needs to be resigned, anything less than $1.25 would be a slap in the face.

Unless Kenny starts smoking crack, Hasek won't be back next season.

Lilja is a bubble player for next season, with a few young d men in GR, he has a good chance of not being back.

Cheli will play until he decides to hang them up.

Downey and Drake likely won't be back. Look for Ellis and Kopy to fill those rolls next season.

umm why wouldnt you want to resign hudler for 5 more yrs ? he keeps showing hes got what it takes , and he added another goal to this season after i posted the topic , would you resign him though ?? or you like some other people who think he should be traded ?

I wouldnt wanna resign cleary for anything more then 2 million per , but hes on pace for a 25 goal season and thats the number im guessing it would take to keep him here , 2.5 for a 25 goal scorer who can kill penalties and play defensivly is alright if you think about it

franzen i dont think has shown that he deserves a huge raise but again some team will give him 1.5 to 2 mill per at least, franzen gives a physical prescence a guy who hits , we need him on the team i still think he can give us 15-20 goals a yr and can kill penalties , as for lilja hes gone for sure ..... ericsson is the guy id bet my money on who will make the team hes big and got skill , meech is a goner id bet money on him being added in on a trade at the deadline , and quincey should make it as the 7th guy

[imisssergei 0]

umm why wouldnt you want to resign hudler for 5 more yrs ? he keeps showing hes got what it takes , and he added another goal to this season after i posted the topic , would you resign him though ?? or you like some other people who think he should be traded ?

I wouldnt wanna resign cleary for anything more then 2 million per , but hes on pace for a 25 goal season and thats the number im guessing it would take to keep him here , 2.5 for a 25 goal scorer who can kill penalties and play defensivly is alright if you think about it

franzen i dont think has shown that he deserves a huge raise but again some team will give him 1.5 to 2 mill per at least, franzen gives a physical prescence a guy who hits , we need him on the team i still think he can give us 15-20 goals a yr and can kill penalties , as for lilja hes gone for sure ..... ericsson is the guy id bet my money on who will make the team hes big and got skill , meech is a goner id bet money on him being added in on a trade at the deadline , and quincey should make it as the 7th guy

I think locking up Rex for 5 years is too long because he hasn't proven anything thus far. A 3 year deal would suffice. As for trading him, that would depend on what the Wings could get for him. I like him more and more every game. I love that Babs is finally giving him a chance. I think that getting away from Bobby Lang was the best possible thing for his work ethic. He could be the second line scoring threat the Wings currently lack.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

I think locking up Rex for 5 years is too long because he hasn't proven anything thus far. A 3 year deal would suffice. As for trading him, that would depend on what the Wings could get for him. I like him more and more every game. I love that Babs is finally giving him a chance. I think that getting away from Bobby Lang was the best possible thing for his work ethic. He could be the second line scoring threat the Wings currently lack.

well if hudler hasnt proven anything to you then im guessing filppula neither ?? since filppula has less pts then hudler.... so you wouldnt lock both guys to longterm deals ?

[imisssergei 0]

well if hudler hasnt proven anything to you then im guessing filppula neither ?? since filppula has less pts then hudler.... so you wouldnt lock both guys to longterm deals ?

Statisicly speaking, no neither guy has really proved anything except that they can put up decent numbers playing behind ZDH, who draw teams best defensive matchups. Not necessarily an easy task. The difference between the two?

Flip's all around play is much more impressive than Rex's. Keep in mind that Flip is a center, on a team that is EXTREMELY deep at that position, while Rex is a winger on a team that is fairly weak at that position. Not to take anything away from what he has done.

Flip's overall play has been much more impressive to me than that of Rex.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

i really hope we lock up huds cleary and flip for 5 yrs or so...let sammy go and put a young player in his spot, maybe axelsson makes the trip across the pond? i hope so. let liljia go, have meech and quincy as 3rd pair and have kindl too in case of chelios retiring(which im against)

[clutchngrab 12]

Just FYI - Holland has already approached Flip's agent and he wants to wait until the end of the year to negotiote. Obviously he is banking on Flip market value continuing to rise. Depending on how well the wings do it will be hard to keep everyone since most of you have your Homer goggles on when it comes to prices and relative value. I'm banking that most if not all of our young forwards are going to be worth some bucks and they know it too. (Or at least there agents do.)

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Z could easily get $9-$10 per as a UFA, don't think that Kenny isn't aware of that. He will try to get Z locked up, but it will most likely take more than Lidstrom. I wouldn't be surprised to see Z get $8 per.

Id bet big bucks Z gets closer to 7M than 8M. Heatley didnt take 8M, Spezza didnt take 8M, Hell Crosby only took 8.7 after winning two of the biggest awards in regular season hockey.

You can be sure that Kenny knows what Hank COULD get, but you should know that Hank already said he wants to remain in the Winged wheel for life, and having Dats locked up long term is even more incentive. Hank will get 7M, and 7.5 will be pushing it. He doesnt touch 8M, not for worth, but for character.

[betterREDthandead 58]

I would not complain if Holland signed Flip to a 10-year extension. It's hard to find a Wing with more hustle than he's got, and that's saying something. I suppose there'd be a worry that giving a guy that much security would take away some of the hustle, but with Flip, I doubt it. Giving him and Cleary good long extensions would be the right way to set in stone the foundation of the New Wings, post-Stevie.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Just FYI - Holland has already approached Flip's agent and he wants to wait until the end of the year to negotiote. Obviously he is banking on Flip market value continuing to rise. Depending on how well the wings do it will be hard to keep everyone since most of you have your Homer goggles on when it comes to prices and relative value. I'm banking that most if not all of our young forwards are going to be worth some bucks and they know it too. (Or at least there agents do.)

If players want to stay with a team longterm, theyll take the slightly lesser paycheck to do it. I can easily see Cleary and Flip taking 3-5 year contracts at lesser terms in order to stay with the team. Flip is surrounded by great Euros and is a team player. Cleary is a similar team player and has found a niche here in Detroit. IMO, Cleary would be crazy to leave. Franzen is a different story. I could see him wanting to go to a team where he could earn more ice time. Hudler I can see leaving too, but thats another year off. Osgood will definitely take a discount to stay.

Draper and Lids will be making slightly less and a guy like Quincey will likely take over Liljas spot at a few 100k less. Haseks money coming off the books will help, and the fact that the cap is projected to reach 54 million only helps matters. Keep in mind the more the cap goes up, the more it benefits Detroit. There are plenty of teams out there (Nashville, Anaheim, LA, Buffalo off the top of my head) that have self-imposed caps already. You can be sure other owners will start to impose similar restrictions on their teams, whereas we know Illitch will give Holland free reign...

[The Noodle 39 14]

Yea we definitly want Flip and Huds in our future and they are really showing us what they have right now but have showed us glimpses last couple years as well. Despite some of the members on this forum earlier in the season im sure a lot of us have seen these two as our future. This is a new NHL now folks and it's time too run with the kids and stop signing old goats! Flippula, Hudler, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, and maybe more awesome talent down the road? Love our scouting and awesome talent right now it's fun to watch and hopefully we can keep them all somehow as the years go by... but it's gonna be tough. And ultimately will be there decision to stay or go.

I'm also thankful for the finding of Cleary! What a surprise he has been and an awesome player since he came here.. I love our team full of young talent and awesome veterans! Hopefully with all of our pieces to the puzzle we can capture some cups eh?

[shannyfan1414 0]

I think that we need to get Fill secured for the long haul.

FIrst we do need to get Hank signed. I would love to see him stick around for about 5.5 a year. He is worth, in my eyes more then any other NHL forward out there. I would love him to sign for 5.5 so that we have a little room to work with down the road. Once Nick retires, and i don't ever want to see that happen but it will happen, then give Hank a nice big deal which makes him the highest paid Wing.

I hope that we if we can get a deal done with Fill soon, we can save a little bit of money on him. He is playing out of his mind and is really a dependable guy who is putting up some great numbers. i would also like to see us get a long term deal done with Hudler, but know that is not going to happen since babs seems to hate him.

The last thing that i would love to see happen, but won't happen, is i would love to see us work an incentive based deal with Samuelson. I'm not a huge fan of him on the ice right now. He is not consistent right now and doesn't play a physical game. Maybe a deal that is incentive based would help him produce a little more and would help us save a little cash.

If i was GM this is what i would try and do.

[e_mcgrath88 0]

I think that we need to get Fill secured for the long haul.

FIrst we do need to get Hank signed. I would love to see him stick around for about 5.5 a year. He is worth, in my eyes more then any other NHL forward out there. I would love him to sign for 5.5 so that we have a little room to work with down the road. Once Nick retires, and i don't ever want to see that happen but it will happen, then give Hank a nice big deal which makes him the highest paid Wing.

I hope that we if we can get a deal done with Fill soon, we can save a little bit of money on him. He is playing out of his mind and is really a dependable guy who is putting up some great numbers. i would also like to see us get a long term deal done with Hudler, but know that is not going to happen since babs seems to hate him.

The last thing that i would love to see happen, but won't happen, is i would love to see us work an incentive based deal with Samuelson. I'm not a huge fan of him on the ice right now. He is not consistent right now and doesn't play a physical game. Maybe a deal that is incentive based would help him produce a little more and would help us save a little cash.

If i was GM this is what i would try and do.

5.5?? try 8.5