Doggy 130 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 http://www.letsgowings.com/content/view/118/2/ That's exactly my choice too: 1. Osgood, 2. Zetterberg (3. Lidstrom) On FSND they said Osgood was voted MVP by the fans followed by Datsyuk, Lidstrom and then Zetterberg. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I remember it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamaica Jon 1 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 I have to go with Nick. This is how I came to my decision: The main candidates for Team MVP are: Nick, Ozzie, Hank/Dats. I think about it this way. Yes Osgood has played great, and if this were Most Outstanding Player, then he might get my vote. But if Osgood was only playing average this year... I think we would still have a great team. Maybe not as great as we are now, but still near the top of the league. Even with Dom struggling in net, we were still doing fine. Same with Hank/Dats. As we saw, when Hank when out Dats and other secondary scorers picked up the pace scoring-wise and kept us going. This shows to me that Zetterberg isn't absolutely necessary for us to have success (although he definitely helps, and is my favorite Wing). I think the same thing goes for Pavs. If he was injured instead of Hank, I think Hank and others would've been able enough to pick up the scoring and continue to carry us to victory. If we lost Nick tho, I think we'd be in HUGE trouble. We would lose the top defensive scorer in the league, and the anchor of our defense that allows the fewest shots in the league. I agree with some other posters in this thread in saying this is the defintion of Most Valuable: if we didn't have ______, we wouldn't have as much success. Granted you can say that about anyone, but I think the biggest drop-off in success would be if we didn't have Lids. And to say "well, we expect it from him" is a ridiculous argument. We're not debating Comeback Player or something like that. If someone is valuable to your team, it doesn't matter if it's expected or not. Lidstrom is easily the choice for team MVP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettsyukwall415 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 On FSND they said Osgood was voted MVP by the fans followed by Datsyuk, Lidstrom and then Zetterberg. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I remember it. Close but it went Ozzie, Pav, Hank, and then Lidstrom. My personal choice is the exact opposite of this order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 they did this poll online during last game and ozzie won by like 700 votes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 So what do you think? Whos the Red Wings MVP? IMHO it's Datsyuk. But it was really tough to decide (Nick and Z right behind Pav). Thats a tough question. A great case could be made for Datsyuk, another for Zetterberg, and another for Lidstrom, and yet another for Osgood. Unsung heroes in Cleary, Holmer, Rafalski,...but jeez, so many of the guys have stepped it up this year. Huds is haveing a break out year, Filp is turning it on, Chelios is still as quick and tenacious as ever, Hasek has stepped up his play as of late. Franzen...everyone. Everyone is playing really well and that is why at the 42 game mark of season the wings have the best record they have ever had in thier history. 40 games from now, it will come down to Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom. Just as it should. But none of it matters without the Stanley Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark the red 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 Lidsrom has my vote. Ozzies been playing his best hockey ever but with the way we have been out scoring the opposition, I question how many games we would have lost even with an average goaltender in the nets? Osgood has stolen 3-4 games for us for sure but how many games has the defensive anchored by Lidstrom saved also. Also, is anyone else scratching there heads over how well players are playing in their contract year? Look at the goals Drapes was scoring before he was re-signed and how his goal production- not his defensive play has dropped. Ozzie is also in a contract year and we will have to see if he is the same goaltender after he is signed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 Also, is anyone else scratching there heads over how well players are playing in their contract year? Look at the goals Drapes was scoring before he was re-signed and how his goal production- not his defensive play has dropped. Ozzie is also in a contract year and we will have to see if he is the same goaltender after he is signed. Well, Drapes does not play big minutes and scoring is not his main job imho he plays quite consistently over the years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 Datsyuk FTW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted January 7, 2008 GMRwings1983, If Ozzie was the starter from the beginning I think you hit the nail right on the head. However what imo gives him a boost is that he was supposed to be the back up, the starter was struggling and then injured, if it is not Ozzie behind Dom, I seriously doubt the results would be the same. And as much as I love Lids, he is not on the ice for every shift (half of the game is about as close as it gets though), so to say that he impacts every save that a goalie makes is a stretch. EDIT: that sounded like I said you wrote that he impacted every save, my point was the D plays great but he still has to make saves. Sidenote: I love the fact that instead of debating how this team sucks and who is to blame, or trashing players, there is a thread talking about all of the good that guys bring to the table. Dats Z Homer Cleary Huds Flip Draper Lids Ralf Mule Osgood Hasek Kronwall Lebda Lots of guys have stepped up and made huge impacts on this team. Are they all in the running for first half MVP, no but that is still a good list of players that are helping out the team big time. Where's the "PAIN TRAIN" on your list. Without him we wouldn't have any "team toughness" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avalanche Warning 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2008 See, now that is just a post of total ignorance. You may say that you have, but judging from your response, you have not watched many games this year in which Osgood has played. He has stolen a couple games for us this year which we had no business winning. He is playing the best hockey of his career. Holland said it. The team said it. The coach said it. Hell, even Melrose said it. And if he was only winning because of seeing low amounts of shots, how do explain him still having the best SV % in the league? My brother is a Red Wings fan so I watch plenty of the games, and I know exactly how they play. Puck possession system and are very tight on their man in the defensive zone. The games I see, Ozzy/Hasek is called upon to make a big save one or twice a period, and they almost never see a rebound because the Red Wings defensive is always there first. And of course Holland/Babcock said it, what did you expect them to say? I bet they both know exactly what I'm talking about, which is why no goaltender in Detroit will see more than 4 million per year, as long as they have this good of a team. I'm not saying Osgood is a terrible one, I'm saying he is way overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mudvayneowns91 0 Report post Posted January 8, 2008 (edited) My brother is a Red Wings fan so I watch plenty of the games We're like opposites then. My two bros are Avs fans and I am the lonely Wing fan in my family. Edited January 8, 2008 by Mudvayneowns91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted January 8, 2008 I'm not saying Osgood is a terrible one, I'm saying he is way overrated. CHRIS OSGOOD IS OVERRATED? AHAHAHA. I'm sorry, but that is freaking hilarious. It's a fact that he is the most underappreciated, underrated goaltender in the NHL and always has been. You can say and believe what you want, but if you really think Osgood hasn't had a fantastic season and that the Wings are where they are in the standings isn't in big part due to him, then you're not watching the right team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted January 9, 2008 My brother is a Red Wings fan so I watch plenty of the games, and I know exactly how they play. Puck possession system and are very tight on their man in the defensive zone. The games I see, Ozzy/Hasek is called upon to make a big save one or twice a period, and they almost never see a rebound because the Red Wings defensive is always there first. And of course Holland/Babcock said it, what did you expect them to say? I bet they both know exactly what I'm talking about, which is why no goaltender in Detroit will see more than 4 million per year, as long as they have this good of a team. I'm not saying Osgood is a terrible one, I'm saying he is way overrated. Hardly. If anything Osgood is underrated. I'm not trying to make him out like he's the best goalie since Ken Dryden, but he's been really underappreciated throughout most of his career with Detroit/New York/St. Louis I think, although that's just my perception. Anyways, MVPs so far to me in this order. And keep in mind all these guys are playing solid so picking one over the other shouldn't mean I'm slighting somebody or not liking someone. 1. Lidstrom 2. Zetterberg 3. Osgood 4. Datsyuk 5. Rafalski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 9, 2008 This year must be the year of the back up goaltender, Osgood, Conklin, Thomas, Ellis, and even Toskala and Bryzgala went from back ups to starters (I know Toskala was before the season started). There are a lot a of backups having career years. And the two of better netminders in the league (GAA, SV %) are Thomas and Ozzie who remind me a lot of each other. Sort of road warrior type guys who in the last 10 years have been on the back burner. But either way good for both of them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings56 1 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 For me Rafalski is the mid year MVP, well maybe I am so used to Lidstroms greatness, but Rafalski brings reliability to the back end as Nick can not play the whole game. By separating them Babcock has made the team so much better. And when they play together they are unbeatable. Sure Rafalski will never be mentioned for it while Nick is here, but in my book he has to be given credit for being so steady back there and getting so many points. He is definetly worth the 6 million a year so far and I don't see him slowing down he has been through the wars of the playoffs many times ... JUST A GREAT ADDITION!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Rafalski is 2nd best dman on our team, not MVP, but definitely integral part in our RedMachine™. Edited January 10, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 If it was the beginning of the year I'd have said Z, but it seems to have shifted more to Pavs in the offense category. In defense Osgood and Lidstrom have been top notch. So yeah, my vote is exactly what everyone else has been saying...and that is why we have 4 all-stars (when Ozzie is picked) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 If Nick wasn't here, we wouldn't be either. I'll go with him until he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
