Sat. Hotstove: Rob Blake to the Wings?

[Superman54 91]

Foote and Blake are less physical than Lilja now...and Markov is much more physical than Lilja.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thats a strech to say that Lilja is more physical then Blake... I mean sure Blake has passed the peak of his career but he is still a big guy that we could use. Maybe Lilja does hit more, but Blake hits much harder!

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Foote and Blake are less physical than Lilja now...and Markov is much more physical than Lilja.

Ummm, not even close.

[winsgnut_19 0]

this trade would make sence if lilja and prspects are sent the other way

lilja is not a great player, but has been playing a good role for detroit as of late. if they cant get him resigned for cheap, i think he'll be sent somewhere while he still has some kind of value. i hate to say it too, i hated lilja until last years playoffs.... hes still a ***** that makes some dumb plays, but he tries to play the type of game we like to watch

[2probert4 8]

Would he really be a "massive" improvement over Lilja? Blake was always a bit overrated defensively. Even when the Kings were decent, Blake was always a minus player. Offensively, he isn't bringing any more to the tables these days than Kronwall. This isn't like Sundin where his playing style has kept his skills intact at 37. Blake's 38, and it's showing.

I dunno. I don't see a real need to trade for defense. I wouldn't like to see the Wings give up a regular or a top prospect. Draft picks and second-tier prospects only.

1. the Kings will still want more than what Blake is worth, but there will be other defenseman available. Blake is overrated defensively and the guy STILL gets caught out of position when he goes after the big hit. Adam Foote and Scrastins <sp?> saved his bacon many times when they were both on the Crapalanche.

2. Wings need to address the depth of the defensive corps, after Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall, it drops off somewhat. Chelios is still very effective, but Lilja keeps making bonehead mistakes in critical moments. Wouldn't hurt to add someone with a little muscle at the blueline. I wouldn't want to depend on Chelios to play 20 minutes a night in case of what happened in last years playoffs, Kronwall and Schneider both getting injured. Quincey did well in his time up though.

3. When Ken Holland comes knockin, the price just goes up. Any "Name" player and the first words out of some GM's mouth will be "Kendl" "Ericsson" or "#1 or #2 draft pick"

I wouldnt mind seeing Brian Rolston come to the Wings, I think he is on a contract year and would fit in with the style the Wings play. Guy can score, is decent defensively, but I know his name isn't Fedorov so this thread will probably not agree with me on that....

[Reds4Life 51]

1. the Kings will still want more than what Blake is worth, but there will be other defenseman available. Blake is overrated defensively and the guy STILL gets caught out of position when he goes after the big hit. Adam Foote and Scrastins <sp?> saved his bacon many times when they were both on the Crapalanche.

2. Wings need to address the depth of the defensive corps, after Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall, it drops off somewhat. Chelios is still very effective, but Lilja keeps making bonehead mistakes in critical moments. Wouldn't hurt to add someone with a little muscle at the blueline. I wouldn't want to depend on Chelios to play 20 minutes a night in case of what happened in last years playoffs, Kronwall and Schneider both getting injured. Quincey did well in his time up though.

I agree completly..

3. When Ken Holland comes knockin, the price just goes up. Any "Name" player and the first words out of some GM's mouth will be "Kendl" "Ericsson" or "#1 or #2 draft pick"

I agree, thats why I think we should give both Kindl and Ericsson chance to play few games to see how would they do. I hope Kenny is not gonna trade our best prospects for Blake.

I wouldnt mind seeing Brian Rolston come to the Wings, I think he is on a contract year and would fit in with the style the Wings play. Guy can score, is decent defensively, but I know his name isn't Fedorov so this thread will probably not agree with me on that....

Wild will make playoffs, why would they trade him? Would be great addition though.

[imisssergei 0]

A transfer agreement is needed for veteran players @ their elite league?...Thought it was only for young developing players ready to cross the pond

A transfer agreement protects any the teams from losing guys for nothing. I'm not sure why Russia refuses to sign one, but nevertheless, they haven't so players can go from the NHL to Russia or visa versa without consequence.

[Reds4Life 51]

A transfer agreement protects any the teams from losing guys for nothing. I'm not sure why Russia refuses to sign one, but nevertheless, they haven't so players can go from the NHL to Russia or visa versa without consequence.

They (and Sweden) do not want to sign that contract with NHL because its totally unfair to them. They would get nothing in return for player they invested to at all.

NHL team drafts player, sends him to minors and player is not getting better, should they stay in Russia (Sweden) they would be playing for A team and getting so much needed experience with big games. Of course that some great talents like Malkin, Ovechkin make it right away, but in general, going to North America too soon can only spoil the player and stop developing his skills. But players want to follow their dream..

[esteef 2,679]

2. Wings need to address the depth of the defensive corps, after Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall, it drops off somewhat. Chelios is still very effective, but Lilja keeps making bonehead mistakes in critical moments. I wouldnt mind seeing Brian Rolston come to the Wings, I think he is on a contract year and would fit in with the style the Wings play. Guy can score, is decent defensively, but I know his name isn't Fedorov so this thread will probably not agree with me on that....

I seem to recall Rafalski being the one that's been giving the puck up quite a few times in our end recently that have ended up as goals. Lilja has not but still seems to forever carry that reputation while Rafalski continues to fly under the radar.

I agree though, Rolston would do well here.

esteef

[Opie 308]

I agree though, Rolston would do well here.

esteef

OH man IF, only if, the wings could find a way to land him without losing Hudler and Flip that would be a great line.

I have always like the way Rolston plays the game, I think under Babs and the way this team plays he would be a good scorer but also work in the corners and play a very solid two way game.

Cleary would be another great linemate for him, so maybe if one of Huds or Flip would be required to get him that would not be bad. Maybe Sammy (cheap with a few years left) Quincey/Meech (neither will crack the Det lineup any time soon) late rd pick for Rolston (UFA at season's end, 34, 2.4 current salary).

If Sammy is not enough I would throw Huds in there (maybe Franzen but I don't think they would want him anymore than Sammy) and remove the Pick. Or Sammy with Huds for Rolston. Move Cleary up to the 2nd line, Franzen to the third.

What do you think, viable trade options or no?

I think Blake is not what the wings need, Danny Markov from last year is exactly what this team could use, Rob Blake is not that guy, was never big on this guy to begin with. But I wouldn't be terribly upset if they got him, neither would I do a touchdown dance!!!

[irishtemper14+25 11]

OH man IF, only if, the wings could find a way to land him without losing Hudler and Flip that would be a great line.

I have always like the way Rolston plays the game, I think under Babs and the way this team plays he would be a good scorer but also work in the corners and play a very solid two way game.

Cleary would be another great linemate for him, so maybe if one of Huds or Flip would be required to get him that would not be bad. Maybe Sammy (cheap with a few years left) Quincey/Meech (neither will crack the Det lineup any time soon) late rd pick for Rolston (UFA at season's end, 34, 2.4 current salary).

If Sammy is not enough I would throw Huds in there (maybe Franzen but I don't think they would want him anymore than Sammy) and remove the Pick. Or Sammy with Huds for Rolston. Move Cleary up to the 2nd line, Franzen to the third.

What do you think, viable trade options or no?

I think Blake is not what the wings need, Danny Markov from last year is exactly what this team could use, Rob Blake is not that guy, was never big on this guy to begin with. But I wouldn't be terribly upset if they got him, neither would I do a touchdown dance!!!

lets just sign foppa and then trade him for rolston

[imisssergei 0]

They (and Sweden) do not want to sign that contract with NHL because its totally unfair to them. They would get nothing in return for player they invested to at all.

NHL team drafts player, sends him to minors and player is not getting better, should they stay in Russia (Sweden) they would be playing for A team and getting so much needed experience with big games. Of course that some great talents like Malkin, Ovechkin make it right away, but in general, going to North America too soon can only spoil the player and stop developing his skills. But players want to follow their dream..

That's a matter of opinion. Players get drafted all the time and stay in their Euro leagues. Look at both Hank and Pav. But just because a player comes directly over to play in NA after being drafted doesn't mean his development stop by being placed in the AHL. One could argue just as strongly that the players development is actually enhanced by playing in the AHL because he learns how to play NHL style hockey.

And the countries do get compensation when they sign a transfer agreement, I'm not sure exactly how it works out, but there is compensation.

[Reds4Life 51]

That's a matter of opinion. Players get drafted all the time and stay in their Euro leagues. Look at both Hank and Pav. But just because a player comes directly over to play in NA after being drafted doesn't mean his development stop by being placed in the AHL. One could argue just as strongly that the players development is actually enhanced by playing in the AHL because he learns how to play NHL style hockey.

And the countries do get compensation when they sign a transfer agreement, I'm not sure exactly how it works out, but there is compensation.

Yes, they are getting used to puck dumping style, and it's good because they are forced to gain some muscle in order to be successful and they need to play physical hockey so they are getting prepared for the NHL, that all is good, but it is much better if they stay in Europe few more years to fully develop their hockey sense and skills, because they will not get better in these areas in North America. Of course that it's completly individual, and some players will do just fine, but most of them will not and if they don't make the team, they are disappointed and might never make it back. And compensation is ridiculous. This way Sweden, Russia and other countries loose many potentially good players. But I am not blaming the NHL, it's also their country's hockey clubs who are not giving enough chances to young players, but there are some promising projects going on (Juniors plays Slovaks 1st league etc.).

[KDDRWINGS1 9]

Haven't read every post on this thread but been doing so reading other sites. Eklund and another site have Barret Jackman and Mike Commodore as possible trades. I don't like either of these two very much but most people didn't like Cheli and that seems to have worked. With Carolina's need for d-men right now Commodore probably won't move but Jackman is possible and who knows what he could do here. We'd likely give up hudler or flip I doubt the blues would have any interest in sammy. If any real deal is made it'll probably be a three way with some other random team.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/chart.php

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1244...could-move.html

Also check out tsn.ca/nhl and watch "insider trading"

[rage 24]

Haven't read every post on this thread but been doing so reading other sites. Eklund and another site have Barret Jackman and Mike Commodore as possible trades. I don't like either of these two very much but most people didn't like Cheli and that seems to have worked. With Carolina's need for d-men right now Commodore probably won't move but Jackman is possible and who knows what he could do here. We'd likely give up hudler or flip I doubt the blues would have any interest in sammy. If any real deal is made it'll probably be a three way with some other random team.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/chart.php

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1244...could-move.html

Also check out tsn.ca/nhl and watch "insider trading"

I don't see any trades with St. Louis and like you said, the Canes ain't going to be trading away Commodore. Even if they did, Detroit would be one of the very last teams to get him.

And don't forget, Flip isn't going to be going anywhere.

[Grittzkey 1]

I seem to recall Rafalski being the one that's been giving the puck up quite a few times in our end recently that have ended up as goals. Lilja has not but still seems to forever carry that reputation while Rafalski continues to fly under the radar.

I agree though, Rolston would do well here.

esteef

The difference between Rafalski making bum mistakes and Lilja making bum mistakes is that Rafalski makes up for them in 1 way or another, weather its scoring or assisting, or making a good defensive play.. Lilja on the other hand, Will make 1 bone headed mistake after another before he does something good.

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Rolston would be a great add, but it will not happen.

[ben_usmc 253]

The difference between Rafalski making bum mistakes and Lilja making bum mistakes is that Rafalski makes up for them in 1 way or another, weather its scoring or assisting, or making a good defensive play.. Lilja on the other hand, Will make 1 bone headed mistake after another before he does something good.

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Rolston would be a great add, but it will not happen.

you also can look at how much more Rafalski is getting paid, for that kind of money you damn well better make up for them, you get what you pay for

[T.Low 1,011]

if the guy brings this, and EXACTLY this (Nov. 2007 clip by the way)... then i'm down with blake in motown. however, la's asking price must also be reasonable.

i hate seeing guys get hurt, but when that guy's corey perry it makes it a little easier. jp

Thats all I needed to see of his resume. Lets get him.

[yakub 0]

Thats all I needed to see of his resume. Lets get him.

The infamous Rob Blake "ass check". Could you imagine our second power play unit???

[Rice 42]

Here's some more info on Blake from MLive/Chelios:

Chelios also talks trade possibilities, saying that he thinks a defenseman would help the team most. His defenseman of choice? Rob Blake of the Los Angeles Kings. "He's in a situation there where there's just no end at the light of the tunnel and he's lost his drive right now," Chelios says of Blake. "I've been there. I talked to him last time we played him, and he would love to come here."

[Grim 5]

what would it take to land Rob Blake? if nothing significant, I'd say why not?