Greatest goal scorer of alltime: Pavel Bure

[DenJ91 0]

I don't know if I'm alone here, but I truly believe that Pavel Bure was/is the games purest and best goal scorer ever! Why do I say this, well here are some #'s. keep in mind I am in no way taking anything away from Gretzky and the following legends, just offering a topic for discussion.

Bure

702 games played, 437 goals. that means it took him 1.61 games to score a goal.

his career was filled with injuries. let's say Bure had a healthy career, he would have broke gretzky's goal record in less games. you'll see when i post wayne's stats. Bure had or neared 60 goal season's 4 of the 7 full season's he played. he benefited during his time with advanced equipment but faced better goalies. in my opinion, Bure never took a shift off and no one in the games history went on the ice with more passion to score a goal. he didn't play on the greatest of teams, and basically carried the canucks for many years. I'll always remember him going to the Panthers and playing in just 11 games that season and having 13 goals after missing basically the whole season. he was simply a goal scoring machine and a one of a kind talent. it's a shame about his injuries cause I really think when you look up the record for goals and even the nhl's best, you'd see Pavel Bure near the top no questions asked.

Gretzky

1487 games played, 894 goals. that means it took him 1.66 games to score a goal. he played 20+ seasons with on a few injuries here and there. he had 5 60+ goal seasons. he benefited from playing with some of the games all time greats during their prime. the equipment wasn't what it is today, but let's face it, the goalies weren't half as good, therefore I would say Gretzky is the greatest of "his time". the game changed alot in the early 90's.

Howe

1767 games played over 26 seasons, 801 goals. took him 2.21 games to score a goal. believe it or not, mr. hockey never had a 50 goal season. very consistent scorer. he benefited from longevity and flat out playing forever!! haha

Brett Hull

1269 games played, 741 goals. took him 1.71 games to score a goal. 3 times he score 70+ goals in a season.

so there are some interesting facts in my opinion. now to throw a wrench in, I wanna bring up Alexander Ovechkin.

Ovechkin

217 games played, 143 goals. that's only 1.52 games to score a goal. in today's game, let's face it the goalies are so good, take up so much net and it's harder to score yet he's doing it at record pace. he may score close to 70 goals this season which would be a modern day record. in just his 3rd season he'll have hit or neared 50+ goals in each season. In 12-15 years from now, will we be hailing Ovechkin as the greatest goal score of all time i wonder?

keep in mind, some of this is hypothetical, it's based on averages and who knows what would have happened in any change of a situation but as far as I'm concerned, when I think of the NHL's best goal scorer of all time, when people say Wayne Gretzky, I don't, I think Pavel Bure

what are your feelings??

YES I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED BOSSY AND MARIO. sorry i was at work when posting, i should have taken more time, however i still consider Bure top 3 for sure.

Edited February 7, 2008 by DenJ91

[up2here 41]

I don't know if I'm alone here, but I truly believe that Pavel Bure was/is the games purest and best goal scorer ever! Why do I say this, well here are some #'s. keep in mind I am in no way taking anything away from Gretzky and the following legends, just offering a topic for discussion.

Bure

702 games played, 437 goals. that means it took him 1.61 games to score a goal.

his career was filled with injuries. let's say Bure had a healthy career, he would have broke gretzky's goal record in less games. you'll see when i post wayne's stats. Bure had or neared 60 goal season's 4 of the 7 full season's he played. he benefited during his time with advanced equipment but faced better goalies. in my opinion, Bure never took a shift off and no one in the games history went on the ice with more passion to score a goal. he didn't play on the greatest of teams, and basically carried the canucks for many years. I'll always remember him going to the Panthers and playing in just 11 games that season and having 13 goals after missing basically the whole season. he was simply a goal scoring machine and a one of a kind talent. it's a shame about his injuries cause I really think when you look up the record for goals and even the nhl's best, you'd see Pavel Bure near the top no questions asked.

Gretzky

1487 games played, 894 goals. that means it took him 1.66 games to score a goal. he played 20+ seasons with on a few injuries here and there. he had 5 60+ goal seasons. he benefited from playing with some of the games all time greats during their prime. the equipment wasn't what it is today, but let's face it, the goalies weren't half as good, therefore I would say Gretzky is the greatest of "his time". the game changed alot in the early 90's.

Howe

1767 games played over 26 seasons, 801 goals. took him 2.21 games to score a goal. believe it or not, mr. hockey never had a 50 goal season. very consistent scorer. he benefited from longevity and flat out playing forever!! haha

Brett Hull

1269 games played, 741 goals. took him 1.71 games to score a goal. 3 times he score 70+ goals in a season.

so there are some interesting facts in my opinion. now to throw a wrench in, I wanna bring up Alexander Ovechkin.

Ovechkin

217 games played, 143 goals. that's only 1.52 games to score a goal. in today's game, let's face it the goalies are so good, take up so much net and it's harder to score yet he's doing it at record pace. he may score close to 70 goals this season which would be a modern day record. in just his 3rd season he'll have hit or neared 50+ goals in each season. In 12-15 years from now, will we be hailing Ovechkin as the greatest goal score of all time i wonder?

keep in mind, some of this is hypothetical, it's based on averages and who knows what would have happened in any change of a situation but as far as I'm concerned, when I think of the NHL's best goal scorer of all time, when people say Wayne Gretzky, I don't, I think Pavel Bure

what are your feelings??

My feelings are stop smoking crack,any discussion about the greatest goal scorers must include Mike Bossy.

[DenJ91 0]

My feelings are stop smoking crack,any discussion about the greatest goal scorers must include Mike Bossy.

haha, ok i'll lay off the crack then. so your saying mike bossy is the greatest goal scorer ever or simply include him. i'll include him if you feel it's not a valid case without it. i agree now that you mention him, but i still say bure is the best either way. i'm not gonna be on the comp for alittle while so if you wanna add bossy's stats, be my guest.

Edited February 6, 2008 by DenJ91

[up2here 41]

haha, ok i'll lay off the crack then. so your saying mike bossy is the greatest goal scorer ever or simply include him. i'll include him if you feel it's not a valid case without it. i agree now that you mention him, but i still say bure is the best either way.

The crack thing was a joke,unless you actually do smoke it. In which case you probably should stop. I would have to say Bossy would top my list and yes any list about the greatest goal scorers HAS to have him in it.

Edited February 6, 2008 by UP2HERE

[DenJ91 0]

i'll have to edit it later with bossy then, unless someone else has bossy's stats. i'll be back later to discuss and see how many other people think i'm crack. think about it people, BURE!

[toby91_ca 620]

The crack thing was a joke,unless you actually do smoke it. In which case you probably should stop. I would have to say Bossy would top my list and yes any list about the greatest goal scorers HAS to have him in it.

Agreed, Bure was a great goal scorer, no question, but there is absolutely no way he is higher than Bossy on my list.

Bossy:

10 year career, 9 of which he scored 50+ goals. In fact, the only year he didn't score 50 in his career was his final injury riddled year in which he only played 63 games. In those 63 games, he still managed to pot 38 goals (good for a tie for the team lead with Lafontaine).

He also had 5, 60+ goal seasons in his first 9 years.

[toby91_ca 620]

i'll have to edit it later with bossy then, unless someone else has bossy's stats. i'll be back later to discuss and see how many other people think i'm crack. think about it people, BURE!

I don't think your on crack, but I think you may be a little dillusional if you think Bure is the best goal scorer ever.

I posted a quick snapshot at Bossy's stats.

[Barrie 900]

I have to say Rocket Richard is still one of, if not the best goal scorer of all-time.

[PROBIE4PREZ 58]

I used to hate bure so much it was nuts .. i always felt he was taking all the attention away from Feds in the mid ninties .. but bure was so fast and slick it was nuts .. and i have to say Russians are probaly my favorite players to watch ..

in other news in August, 2007, a Russian court awarded Bure 67,000 rubles (Cdn $2,750) in a lawsuit he filed against British Airways after being forced to leave a plane. The pilot suspected Bure was a "soccer hooligan", and would not take off until Bure was escorted off the plane. ha

Edited February 6, 2008 by PROBIE4PREZ

[BeeRYCE 2]

It's not THAT much of a stretch to consider Bure at least one of the best. If you really want to heat up the discussion, try to consider how good the goalies were in Bure's era, as opposed to Bossy's era.

[up2here 41]

It's not THAT much of a stretch to consider Bure at least one of the best. If you really want to heat up the discussion, try to consider how good the goalies were in Bure's era, as opposed to Bossy's era.

Dont you mean how big the equipment was?

[BeeRYCE 2]

Dont you mean how big the equipment was?

Might have a bit to do with it, yeah. Not to mention defensemen seemed easier to get around. I think it would just be safer to say that Mike Bossy was the best pure goal scorer of any era.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I miss watching him play. He was the best puckhandler at full speed that I've ever seen play hockey, and his full speed was better than anyone elses. I don't think he was the best pure goal scorer, though. Gretzky, Lemieux, Bossy, Hull, Richard, etc. Too many to consider, really. Also, don't forget Bobby Hull's career in the NHL was cut short when he left to another league, or else he'd probably have the most goals.

Edited February 6, 2008 by GMRwings1983

[Nev 1,085]

I believe if you want to do a purely statistical analysis - taking into account the average scoring during each players career - the greatest goalscorer of all time is.....

Teemu Selanne.

Your post also does not take into account that the likes of Bure who had their career ended prematurely never had half dozen years in the twilight of their careers as their skills diminished.

But having said that, Bure was a joy to watch. First hockey game I ever went to was Wings v Vancouver in 1992. Dallas Drake had 2 goals and an assist (!) as the wings won 5-1, but my abiding memory is a partial breakaway Bure had. He just EXPLODED from the blue line leaving everyone one in his wake It was like a jet fighter compared to a prop plane

[WingNutt 12]

Yay! Pavel Bure the Russian Rocket.

[lfd250 1]

Isn't Chaberland the greatest scorer of all time?

[gowingsgo 3]

Bure was a great player, fact is his body broke down and he didnt get to challenge Gretzky's record. Its gonna be a while before anyone does if ever.

[Opie 308]

Isn't Chaberland the greatest scorer of all time?

cough* chamberlain *cough

[awingsincebirth 0]

The problem is that there are just so many variables that can influence different goal scorers from different eras, as the game has changed so much.

I'd say that Bure was brilliant, Bossy was brilliant, Gretzky was brilliant, Richard was brilliant, the Hulls were brilliant, Ovechkin is brilliant. I find that to be sufficient enough.

[wingslogo19 281]

Pavel Bure was one of my all time favs.

[DenJ91 0]

i'm back, and now that i am i'm sorry about excluding bossy in my original numbers. he was amazing and could easily be considered the best pure goalscorer ever. bobby hull is a good example on how he did leave for another league and would have had more goals.

it wasn't neccesarily a topic where i was saying i was right, that's why i left it open for discussion. as far as i'm concerned all of the mentioned players are legends in their own rights.

anyone think ovechkin could one day be mentioned with the likes of gretzky, howe, bure, bossy etc?? i do

[Dano33 41]

In case anyone is wondering, it took Bossy 1.31 games to score a goal. 573 goals in 752 games.

[eva unit zero 271]

I find this amusing. You have made a list of the best pure goal scorers ever, and left off the top three.

That top three being, in no order:

Mario Lemieux. .822 goals per game is just RIDICULOUS. And the guy spent his healthy years with NOBODY to play with.

Mike Bossy. Called by most as the best pure goal scorer of all-time, Bossy was at what would be most star snipers' peak for HIS ENTIRE CAREER. Phenomenal scorer who would be the all-time leader had his career not ended due to injury.

Joe Malone. People (even in this thread) talk about how great Richard is for having scored 50-in-50. Often ignored is one fact; that year Richard broke Malone's single-season NHL and Montreal scoring record of 44 goals, which was set in TWENTY games. He ended up with 51 goals in his first 28 games in the NHL, and 90 in his first 52. In his NHL career, he would score 146 goals in 125 games over five seasons, the last two seasons and 29 games of which would come as a part-time player/coach. In his major professional career, Malone would score 343 goals in 273 games over sixteen seasons. He scored an NHL record 7 goals in a single game. He scored 5 or more goals TEN times. He scored a goal-per-game over an entire season eleven times, clearing the 2 GPG mark for a FULL SEASON three times.

[auxlepli 17]

Yeah, where's Mario Lemieux? He scored about once every four periods, or about 1.32, 915 games and 690 goals scored. Think about had he been healthy the whole time.

[theman19 47]

the lack of respect wayne gretzky gets on this board, and in the generation of fans who mainly post on this board is disgusting,....

no i'm not going to explain myself, if you actually watched hockey in the 80's you wouldn't need me to have to explain it to you.