OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 right......... I don't know that Hitchcock would risk his job and the team just to get back at one player for not smiling ear to ear while skating with the mighty rick nash. Think it had more to do with injury and the fact that Fedorov is a better dman than half of the teams actual Dmen. You found a way to formulate that better than i could up with at the time. I have had people trying to drill into my head that defense wins cups... so isn't it counter productive to put a player "under acheiving" and "under productive" back on Defense as a punishment... Scratches seems more like the route that a coach would take to punish a player. Injuries and the fact that he has a massive offensive threat and his D skills are top notch is more like the reasoning... i agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinbin 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 C'mon, Kenny.....what are you waiting for? The sooner he is here, the sooner he acclimates into our system....which won't take long..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 someone please answer my point directly. why do you think Fedorov would do well here in Detroit when his numbers are consistently down since he left here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kcjacoby 10 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 You mean we could finally have someone that is great at slap shots rather than Lids and Raf? No.. say it ain't so... I'm sorry for all the negativity against Federov... all I know is he did WONDERS while he was here... if he came back, I'd be cheering for him again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 someone please answer my point directly. why do you think Fedorov would do well here in Detroit when his numbers are consistently down since he left here? Get him back around the team atmosphere and all will be well. Many a players have changed once coming to detroit.... Look no further than helpless Danny Boy. Cleary was on the outs, now look at him. Detroit brings out the best in most players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kcjacoby 10 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 someone please answer my point directly. why do you think Fedorov would do well here in Detroit when his numbers are consistently down since he left here? Look at the people he is playing with. Enough said... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinbin 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 someone please answer my point directly. why do you think Fedorov would do well here in Detroit when his numbers are consistently down since he left here? If not given the right tools, how do you expect to get the job done? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 If not given the right tools, how do you expect to get the job done? qft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinbin 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Get him back around the team atmosphere and all will be well. Many a players have changed once coming to detroit.... Look no further than helpless Danny Boy. Cleary was on the outs, now look at him. Detroit brings out the best in most players. TELL IT, Brother! Tell It! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 If not given the right tools, how do you expect to get the job done? granted ,but the best players in the game create for themselves with or without help. i just dont think bringing in fedorov years later is gonna help this team win the stanley cup, i know we all would like to remember fedorov scoring 120 points and winning the hart but the truth is he's 38, not gettin any younger and has dwindling stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) granted ,but the best players in the game create for themselves with or without help. i just dont think bringing in fedorov years later is gonna help this team win the stanley cup, i know we all would like to remember fedorov scoring 120 points and winning the hart but the truth is he's 38, not gettin any younger and has dwindling stats. Very true and hardly ever do the best players in the league go anywhere (i.e. a cup) without a supporting cast. He isn't going to be THE reason we win, but he will be A reason we win. Edited February 12, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fedorovfan 25 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 The way I see it is the Wings need both a scorer and a defensive help. In Fedorov they get both. I relize he can't play both at the same time. But, as I stated before he has played both in games for the Jackets. The fact is Holland will make 2 trades from all I'm hearing. As banged up as the Wings are right now a guy like Feds makes since because he gives you both offense & defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sergeiwasmyfav 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Get him back around the team atmosphere and all will be well. Many a players have changed once coming to detroit.... Look no further than helpless Danny Boy. Cleary was on the outs, now look at him. Detroit brings out the best in most players. Absolutely. I think Feds would improve if he came back with us. Of course we can't expect what we expected out of him ten or even six years ago. But, I think it would rejuvinate him to be back here. A friend of mine who is a paralegal for a firm that does legal work for many professional athletes in Detroit told me Feds still has a house here and will likely live here when he retires. I don't know how accurate that info. is, but she works right at the firm so I think she would have a relatively good chance of knowing what is going on. I make that point to show that he likes it here. Surely being somewhere you enjoy being has to help other aspects of what you are doing, such as your job. Hockey is his job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 say Holland really is interested in landing Fedorov, do you people honestly think columbus is going to trade him away for Mikael Samuelsson? besides, on top of that, you think Fedorov wants to come back to the place that has been booing him every single time he plays a game here since he left? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fedorovfan 25 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 He's booed out of respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 say Holland really is interested in landing Fedorov, do you people honestly think columbus is going to trade him away for Mikael Samuelsson? besides, on top of that, you think Fedorov wants to come back to the place that has been booing him every single time he plays a game here since he left? First part... I have heard Kopa being waived up.. I say kopa, sammy and even lil' ja (as you are getting a better out put from one player in fedorov as you would from the two of them) Second part... I know he would love to come back, straight out of the horses mouth himself when i asked him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frederick9125 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 would be great on the second line, trade sammy or kopecky Flip dats homer feds z cleary (when heathly) Malts draps downey frazen hulder ellis ( kopecky or sammy which ever we don't trade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 someone please answer my point directly. why do you think Fedorov would do well here in Detroit when his numbers are consistently down since he left here? ...who says he has to be the 2nd line center? Having Fedorov on your team gives you so many more options. He could play wing on the 1st line with Datsyuk and Holmstrom, or he could play wing on 2nd line with Zetterberg, or center with Zetterberg on his wing along with Filpulla or Franzen (cleary when he gets back.) Everyone is asking "just how do you think his numbes will go back up if he comes back?" The answer? Datsyuk and Zetterberg... Holmstrom Dastyuk Fedorov Franzen Zetterberg Filpulla or Homstrom Datsyk Filpulla Franzen Zetterberg Fedorov ...plug Cleary in there somewhere when he is healthy, the possibilties are wonderful! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 right......... I don't know that Hitchcock would risk his job and the team just to get back at one player for not smiling ear to ear while skating with the mighty rick nash. Think it had more to do with injury and the fact that Fedorov is a better dman than half of the teams actual Dmen. Youve not watched much hockey have you? Hitchcock plays games like that, and its not like Columbus has a big supply of GOOD defenseman. Fedorov hated playing defenseman in Detroit when Bowman played the same game with him, but I shouldn't expect people to remember or realize that. It's called the good ol' motivator...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 First part... I have heard Kopa being waived up.. I say kopa, sammy and even lil' ja (as you are getting a better out put from one player in fedorov as you would from the two of them) Second part... I know he would love to come back, straight out of the horses mouth himself when i asked him. WDFN and 97.1 both said that the rumor was Kopecky for Feds... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) WDFN and 97.1 both said that the rumor was Kopecky for Feds... Okay cool so i was on the right track with kopa then ( i realize just now i said waived up... i was meaning Offered up). The other two can be tossed in as an added bonus, cause we really don't need them at all maybe it will allow us to also part Boll from them as well. Forward/defense/fighter all in one trade and in two guys! Edited February 12, 2008 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Get him back around the team atmosphere and all will be well. Many a players have changed once coming to detroit.... Look no further than helpless Danny Boy. Cleary was on the outs, now look at him. Detroit brings out the best in most players. And what exactly would be familiar about the team to Fedorov other than the jerseys? Who did he spend any time with that's still around. Lidstrom, Dats and Osgood? The team is totally different now with many new faces. The team is already very good at faceoffs. The team already has great penalty killing forwards. Is there another team that can throw out this many forwards to kill penalties Draper Maltby Zetterberg Datsyuk Filpulla Cleary The team has the #2 offense and the #1 defense. Taking all of that into account. What does the team actually need? It needs a big, physical forward who can score some. And it needs a big, physical stay at home defensman. Neither of which you are going to get from Fedorov. IMO, its redundant to bring him in to potentially make strong areas of the team just a teeny, weensy bit stronger. What's he going to do, raise our PK or face off percentage by 1/4 of a percentage point? We need to strengthen weaker areas of the team which are size, toughness and physical play. And hopefully find a forward that doesn't have stone hands that can play a big man's game. Fedorov is not what we need. All this debating about whether or not he'd be rejuvinated in Detroit is completely worthless in addressing the other, more needy areas of the team. Sure, he could provide some scoring insurance on the 2nd line. But it still doesn't address the other needs. Get a gritty forward with size and a bit of snarl who can score some and you've addressed the issue much better. And even if that guy doesn't score much, so long as he can skate, take the body hard and play big then he can open up some room for his linemates to pick up the scoring. Kids.............just say no to Fedorov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted February 12, 2008 The way I see it is the Wings need both a scorer and a defensive help. In Fedorov they get both. I relize he can't play both at the same time. But, as I stated before he has played both in games for the Jackets. The fact is Holland will make 2 trades from all I'm hearing. As banged up as the Wings are right now a guy like Feds makes since because he gives you both offense & defense. On what planet do the Red Wings, the #1 defensive team in the league need defensive help? The Wings need a big, hard hitting, stay at home defensman. That's the kind of "help" that they need. Unless Fedorov is going to come in and play on the blueline as a dman and start playing like Jason Smith Craig Rivet, I don't think he's the defensive help we need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Look at the people he is playing with. Enough said... So youre saying Rick Nash sucks? Blue Jackets are in the hunt to perhaps make the playoffs for the first time...not like they are the Kings or something.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 12, 2008 Actually with a #1 defense we are squared away... we need a foward who can score above all else. Any body who is anybody whom can score in the post season is gone... we have nobody. We need somebody who can score goals past April 8th... I feel Fedorov can do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
