The Official bring back Fedorov topic!

[Guest octopusdank]

MY a dick? Maybe you should have said "YOU'RE a dick" that would make me a dick. But "YOUR a dick" makes no sense...

...if being a dick means no Hudler, then My a dick!

..ok, now that the kids are in bed...

for reals? how old are you?

[LeftWinger 5,131]

You think without Lids we'd still won the Cups? Well that just about says it all about your credibility here.

...exactly, take Lids off we still win back in 1997, but remove Feds as well, then we win nothing. And without Feds in 1998 then forget about even getting past Phoenix...

[LeftWinger 5,131]

WTF are you smoking? I can't stop laughing!

...stats don't lie. I suppose you are gonna tell me that without Yzerman, Fedorov woul have sucked? On the contrary, Fedorov extended Yzerman's career. Without Fedorov coming in and taking the scoring onus off Steve, he was able to change gears in the way he plays the game to a more defensive posture, thus extending his career. If Sergei hadn't come to Detroit, Steve would have been relied upon to keep scoring 120 points every season. Once Fedorov proved he was a MVP superstar on this team, Steve became expendable, thus the almost trade to Ottawa in 1994 (need I remind you it wasn't just a rumor, it was a agreed upon, done deal, with Marian Illitch nixing it at the last minute) ironically the same season that Fedorov won the Hart and Selke and took this team over in the absense of Steve while out with a neck injury. If the deal would have be finalized, Steve would have been the face of Ottawa, not Detroit. If he would have lasted 10 more years up there. You cannot change history, stats are recorded, it's all in black and white. Steve was great, but so was Sergei...

...Yzerman all Heart, Fedorov all HART...

...dear sir, what are you smoking?

...oh BTW, did you know that Yzerman was once "traded" before? 1988, for Wayne Gretzky. That summer, the "Great One" was to be traded to either Detroit or Los Angeles. The NHL decided that Gretzky would serve a better purpose in LA, thus revitalizing hockey in southern California. So the Great Steve Yzerman was to be an Oiler in 1988 if not for the NHL wanting to sell the game of hockey in southern California. That was sort of a prelude to the Gary Bettman era and his ideals of selling hockey in the southern states. This came directly from Gretzky's mouth on the David Letterman show. So much for Steve being the face of the franchise back then as well, seems like he was the face of trade value up until 1995... (I, for one, am glad we didn't make that trade, I dispise Wayne Gretzky, yet respect his accomplishments. I am also glad we didn't trade him for Yashin either.)

Edited February 10, 2008 by LeftWinger

[LeftWinger 5,131]

for reals? how old are you?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

...stats don't lie. I suppose you are gonna tell me that without Yzerman, Fedorov woul have sucked? On the contrary, Fedorov extended Yzerman's career. Without Fedorov coming in and taking the scoring onus off Steve, he was able to change gears in the way he plays the game to a more defensive posture, thus extending his career. If Sergei hadn't come to Detroit, Steve would have been relied upon to keep scoring 120 points every season. Once Fedorov proved he was a MVP superstar on this team, Steve became expendable, thus the almost trade to Ottawa in 1994 (need I remind you it wasn't just a rumor, it was a agreed upon, done deal, with Marian Illitch nixing it at the last minute) ironically the same season that Fedorov won the Hart and Selke and took this team over in the absense of Steve while out with a neck injury. If the deal would have be finalized, Steve would have been the face of Ottawa, not Detroit. If he would have lasted 10 more years up there. You cannot change history, stats are recorded, it's all in black and white. Steve was great, but so was Sergei...

...Yzerman all Heart, Fedorov all HART...

...dear sir, what are you smoking?

Your kidding right?

Ok, ok. Without writing a big paragraph, who's the better overall hockey player based on their full career, Yzerman or Fedorov?

[LeftWinger 5,131]

Are you really playing this game?

...do you really think Hudler is Omnipotent? What is he the God of Suck?

[omnipotent_hudler 0]

...do you really think Hudler is Omnipotent? What is he the God of Suck?

Didn't we go over the whole sarcasm thing already? Oh, and, once again, omnipotence != deity. Sorry.

[vangvace 12]

loads of crap

...Yzerman all Heart, Fedorov all HART...

more crap

Wow... I don't think I've ever met a Red Wings fan that was an Yzerman hater till now...

So all the cups are thanks to Fedorov huh? I guess the rest of the Wings were holding him down as Fedorov strapped them to his back. Carrying the team to the promised land in the precup years... oh wait, that's right, it wasn't until Shanahan came to Detroit that the cup was won.

So I guess when he moved on another cup would surely follow him, because he is the key to winning Lord Stanley's Cup after all. Wait... you mean Anaheim's best cup runs were without him? AND he failed to get them to the playoffs?!? The hell you say!

But surely he must have strapped the blue jackets to his back, since he does have the HART to do it after all, and has taken them to the promised land? What? Not even close? And now he's suffering from a concussion and won't start skating again till the end of the week at the earliest...

by god let's bring him back here then. Spare no expense I say! All of our draft picks and half the Griffins for this crown jewel and god's gift to hockey that will bring the cup to Detroit.

Hopefully the Primadonorov has learned what it means to be on a team by now...

Edited February 10, 2008 by vangvace

[OsGOD 3]

Spare no expense I say! All of our draft picks and half the Griffins for this crown jewel and god's gift to hockey that will bring the cup to Detroit.

Preach it brotha... what ever it takes Kenny! Get Feds back here! hehe

Edited February 10, 2008 by OsGOD

[SwedeLundin77 460]

He is one player out there who is a second line forward who can log a good amount of time, play a strong two-way game, put the puck in the net, make good passes, give us good speed, and has a knack for timely goals. He is also one player out there who wouldn't cost us Hossa or Sundin-like amounts of future players/etc...

My answer to the original posters inquiry is YES. I do not love Fedorov, I was pissed at him when he left, but I wouldn't mind seeing him back and retiring here. I could see this happening. It will be tough dealing with Columbus though.

[SinBinHockey 2]

Some people on this forum REALLY need to get over X-Redwings. This is just getting stupid at this point; McCarty, Lapointe, Fedorov... Just because they used to be a Wing doesn't mean they are still good hockey players. Why doesn't anyone here understand that concept?

[sinbin 3]

I have this gut feeling.........Feds will be back!

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

Wow... I don't think I've ever met a Red Wings fan that was an Yzerman hater till now...So all the cups are thanks to Fedorov huh? I guess the rest of the Wings were holding him down as Fedorov strapped them to his back. Carrying the team to the promised land in the precup years... oh wait, that's right, it wasn't until Shanahan came to Detroit that the cup was won.

So I guess when he moved on another cup would surely follow him, because he is the key to winning Lord Stanley's Cup after all. Wait... you mean Anaheim's best cup runs were without him? AND he failed to get them to the playoffs?!? The hell you say!

But surely he must have strapped the blue jackets to his back, since he does have the HART to do it after all, and has taken them to the promised land? What? Not even close? And now he's suffering from a concussion and won't start skating again till the end of the week at the earliest...

by god let's bring him back here then. Spare no expense I say! All of our draft picks and half the Griffins for this crown jewel and god's gift to hockey that will bring the cup to Detroit.

Hopefully the Primadonorov has learned what it means to be on a team by now...

Why does him thinking that Fedorov is better than Yzerman make him an "Yzerman hater"? Personally, as I said in an earlier post, I think this whole debate is absolutely ridiculous. But, if someone decides to participate in it, I don't think that their opinion that one player was better than the other means that they hate the other player. I think Cleary is better than Maltby, but I like Maltby more. Thinking a player is better than another player does not mean that a person hates the player that they do not think is as good. I don't believe he ever said in any of his posts that he hates Yzerman. It is his OPINION that Fedorov was better. You do not have to share that opinion, and no one is saying that you should. I know it may be shocking to some Wings fans that not everyone thinks that Yzerman was the be all and end all of the team, but if they don't, that does not translate into hating Yzerman. Personally, I think that had you taken away either player during those Cup years there would have been no Cup.

[Lou_Siffer 1]

Very valid points. I will be the first to admit that just the thought of him back here makes me smile, and yes, that is nostalgia. He was my favorite, I still try to catch Bluejackets games if possible, and I miss seeing him out there with the Wings. I agree he is probably not what we need right now, but I don't think he could hurt either. However, if it came down to Feds or a tough, hard-hitting defenseman, Kenny would be a fool not to take the D-man. I see that. By the way, thanks for being classy in your answer and actually making some very good points instead of some of the answers others on here choose to give when their views are challenged.

Your welcome. I dont think he would HURT the team, my concern lies more with what moves they wouldnt make because they got Fedorov. I think that would probably be their one move, and Sergei doesnt address any of the issues that i have. I can totally understand the nostalgia thing, being that the Wings more than any organization have been about loyalty and keeping many of the same guys around for years....as well as bringing some back. Only natural many fans would adopt that same mindset. Even i think initially it would be kinda cool seeing him out there again, but then reality would set in that he just doesnt have it anymore. I think if you're able to throw out the fact he played here, and look at it as if he were just some random 38 yr old center on a serious decline...more people would see that he isnt the answer.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

yes your very right, Yzerman was a career man here and that is what I think is clouding your sight. Yzerman is the greatest thing the team has ever had, but in those seven years before feds got here how succesful were the wings? Feds was detrimental to the wings success and championships and at that time was equally important as Yzerman or Lids. Slim possibilty the same could have been achieved without him.

And how successful were the Wings before Brendan Shanahan got here? The Wings got better with Feds but it wasn't until they got the beef and the rugged power forward up front that they became a championship team. Whenever people defend Fedorov they make it out like he was the reason we got over the hump and actually won Championships. He wasn't. He was another cog in the wheel. Of course it could be argued he was one of the most important cogs. But no way did we become a championship team because of him alone.

And by the way I think you mean instrumental not detrimental

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

I have this gut feeling.........Feds will be back!

Is it making you want to throw up like it is me?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

that has bitter written all over it! waaaahh, sounds like your the whiner.

as for the guy who claimed if fedorov was never a red wing, we wouldn't be asking for him back... that's such BS. you're saying if he put up his #'s on a different team, you wouldn't want a former mvp with his skills and defensive ability a one of the most proven playoff players in history on the wings? your kidding yourself. that's not a valid point whatsoever. joe sakic was never on the red wings, his numbers are on the decline, you wouldn't want him on the wings?? mike modano?? your damn right i'd take either. and therefore we'd still want a player like fedorov

Fedorov was maybe the most dominant player in the game during his day. But his day was 10 ******* years ago.

I've said this a million times but it falls on deaf ears. I live in Ohio, I go to Jackets games, I have a friends with season tickets.

They'd love for us to give them something, anything for Fedorov. Now just gnaw on that for awhile.

Maybe we can dig up Ray Sheppard while we are it. He had a knack for scoring goals. Maybe he can provide some 2nd line scoring depth for us.

People tag fedorov haters or his critics as bitter for him leaving. Well, those that defend him, not all, but many, have lost clarity on what type of player he is now, blinded by total devotion and unconditional love.

These people have lost perspective on what is best for this organization and all they're selfish. They even admit it. They say they want to see him back so he can "retire a wing", "have his jersey raised to the rafters", because they "love him so much".

Blah, blah, blah....that has everything to do with personal feelings and nothing to do with what's best for the team.

I'd rather have Marty Lapointe back than Fedorov and Marty plays like s*** now so there.

[DenJ91 0]

gordiesid&ted, your unlike most people on these forums that think fedorov has nothing left to give the wings. most people on here feel he's a valuable assest even in his decline. it's not just that i love fedorov as a player, i also love the wings and i wouldn't want a player on the wings if i didn't feel he'd help and feds would offer alot as many have already stated.

[eva unit zero 271]

For those of you claiming Fedorov can't score...

Fedorov is currently ranked 132nd in points per game among forwards. While he is a shadow of his former self offensively, that kind of offense makes him a top five forward. Fedorov's offense is not far fro mwhat he used to put up in the regular season; he's on pace for 48 points over 82 games; he would often score under 70 in his prime. He's still an elite defensive player, and provides secondary scoring and a shot from the point on the PP. If he can be had cheaply, there's no reason not to make the deal for Fedorov. A Fedorov deal would be much cheaper than acquiring a rental defenseman like Blake, and fits the Wings' needs better.

Sergei Fedorov. Secondary scoring, shut-down defense, heavy slapshot. Oh, and he's always produced in the playoffs. If he can be had for a mid-level prospect and/or a mid-round pick...why not?

[Sergeiwasmyfav 0]

Fedorov was maybe the most dominant player in the game during his day. But his day was 10 ******* years ago.

I've said this a million times but it falls on deaf ears. I live in Ohio, I go to Jackets games, I have a friends with season tickets.

They'd love for us to give them something, anything for Fedorov. Now just gnaw on that for awhile.

Maybe we can dig up Ray Sheppard while we are it. He had a knack for scoring goals. Maybe he can provide some 2nd line scoring depth for us.

People tag fedorov haters or his critics as bitter for him leaving. Well, those that defend him, not all, but many, have lost clarity on what type of player he is now, blinded by total devotion and unconditional love.

These people have lost perspective on what is best for this organization and all they're selfish. They even admit it. They say they want to see him back so he can "retire a wing", "have his jersey raised to the rafters", because they "love him so much".

Blah, blah, blah....that has everything to do with personal feelings and nothing to do with what's best for the team.

I'd rather have Marty Lapointe back than Fedorov and Marty plays like s*** now so there.

I think the reason why sometimes Fedorov fans respond that way to those who don't think the Wings should bring him back is because of the tone of their posts. Granted, it is sometimes hard to determine how someone meant something in writing, but I think most people on here are pretty skilled at expressing emotions/feelings in their writing. It seems that a lot of the people who don't want Fedorov back don't just say it in a casual way, as in "I just don't think he is what we need" or "He is getting older and not the player he used to be." Some people have have explained their reasoning in this way, so I'm not saying everybody here. However, many of the other people have a tone of such anger and, yes, bitterness in their responses. "Why would we want him back", "He's old and useless", "We don't need such a selfish player here", etc. Those responses are very different than the ones I gave examples of above. If someone feels this way, fine, that is their opinion and these forums are open to anyone who wants to express their opinion. But if the tone of a post reeks with anger/bitterness/dislike, I see nothing wrong with calling someone out on it. Likewise, I see nothing wrong with calling someone out if their pro-Fedorov post reeks of "I've been in love with you since I was 12," as some on here have.

[DenJ91 0]

with cleary out 6-8 weeks now, wow we certainly need to make some moves. the wings haven't been playing all that well lately.

[nkuehnl 0]

I hate to say it but Fedorov seems to be a decent choice.

-his scoring has gone down, but on Detroit he won't be doing any heavy lifting on the 2nd line.

-he's extremely reliable defensively.

-he would fit right into the puck control system.

-the 2nd PP would improve tremendously with his presence at the point (for f***'s sake, Samuelsson and Chelios are running the 2nd PP right now).

-he still has a knack for timely goals.

-he'd be a cheap pick-up.

I don't know of any other guy out there that fits those credentials. There are better pure goal scorers available, but they tend to lack everything else Fedorov has.

I'm not a ex-Wings apologist (f*** McCarty and Lapointe, both are absolutely useless), but I can see the argument for Fedorov.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

For those of you claiming Fedorov can't score...

Fedorov is currently ranked 132nd in points per game among forwards. While he is a shadow of his former self offensively, that kind of offense makes him a top five forward. Fedorov's offense is not far fro mwhat he used to put up in the regular season; he's on pace for 48 points over 82 games; he would often score under 70 in his prime. He's still an elite defensive player, and provides secondary scoring and a shot from the point on the PP. If he can be had cheaply, there's no reason not to make the deal for Fedorov. A Fedorov deal would be much cheaper than acquiring a rental defenseman like Blake, and fits the Wings' needs better.

Sergei Fedorov. Secondary scoring, shut-down defense, heavy slapshot. Oh, and he's always produced in the playoffs. If he can be had for a mid-level prospect and/or a mid-round pick...why not?

OW! My reasoning button was just pressed hard.

I would like him back. Solves the 2nd line center issue AND the 2nd PP unit debacle. Sammy off the point and in close to the goalie like he should be. When Cleary gets back (?) the 2nd PP unit would look like this w/ rotations.

Sammy/Rex - Flip/Cleary - Stein

Kronner - Feds

[vangvace 12]

Why does him thinking that Fedorov is better than Yzerman make him an "Yzerman hater"? Personally, as I said in an earlier post, I think this whole debate is absolutely ridiculous. But, if someone decides to participate in it, I don't think that their opinion that one player was better than the other means that they hate the other player. I think Cleary is better than Maltby, but I like Maltby more. Thinking a player is better than another player does not mean that a person hates the player that they do not think is as good. I don't believe he ever said in any of his posts that he hates Yzerman. It is his OPINION that Fedorov was better. You do not have to share that opinion, and no one is saying that you should. I know it may be shocking to some Wings fans that not everyone thinks that Yzerman was the be all and end all of the team, but if they don't, that does not translate into hating Yzerman. Personally, I think that had you taken away either player during those Cup years there would have been no Cup.

Well, I guess I shouldn't have edited his post down to a bunch of crap. As for that bunch of Hating, as I saw it, I've requoted it just for your viewing pleasure. After thinking about it, his post seems perfect for political campaigns so maybe it is alright.

On the contrary, Fedorov extended Yzerman's career.

Once Fedorov proved he was a MVP superstar on this team, Steve became expendable, thus the almost trade to Ottawa in 1994, ironically the same season that Fedorov won the Hart and Selke and took this team over in the absense of Steve while out with a neck injury. If the deal would have be finalized, Steve would have been the face of Ottawa, not Detroit. If he would have lasted 10 more years up there.

...Yzerman all Heart, Fedorov all HART...

...oh BTW, did you know that Yzerman was once "traded" before? 1988, for Wayne Gretzky. So the Great Steve Yzerman was to be an Oiler in 1988 if not for the NHL wanting to sell the game of hockey in southern California. So much for Steve being the face of the franchise back then as well, seems like he was the face of trade value up until 1995...

Now that that's said...

Did I say anything when LeftWinger brought up the stats? Or when Eva did? Did I ever say that Yzerman was god's gift? Nope all opinions. Hell my only heated comments normally come out in fight threads only.

Now I did call him out on his comments and my apologies for ruffling your feathers enough that you felt compelled to defend him and try to chastise me in pseudo-public forum. But since you did decide to do that in this "absolutely ridiculous" debate, his opinion must matter more than mine does? Especially when you two share the same opinion on Fedorov.

Hell next your probably going to say I'm not a true fan and I should burn my jerseys and turn in my LGW card.

Edit to add: He may not even be skating a full practice by the trade deadline due to his current injury.

Edited February 11, 2008 by vangvace

[Guest Jeremy88]

I would like to see Fedorov back, but only if he'll produce the secondary scoring we need. If he can't do that...get someone who can.