Double Standard

[12Newf 0]

i made a scene in a red lobster last night when i saw hasek rolling around on the antropov OT winner and then i made a scene in a casino when i saw that disallowed goal....furious

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

There is a penalty double standard for the Ducks (kunitz, end) and Thomas Holmstom, this freaking needs to stop by the NHL. That was a disgusting loss.

I cannot comment specifically on Kunitz/the Ducks alone since I don't watch the Ducks all that much if he screens goaltenders a lot of plays around the crease etc., and I watched the first two periods of the game while out getting some food at a sports bar so there was no sound so I didn't really understand his incident until just a while ago, but with these two instances specifically it was a pretty bad double standard indeed.

And what's just as mind boggling on the "no-goal" with Holmstrom's "interference" was that there was no penalty called on him if I'm not mistaken. I don't think the call should have been made in the first place obviously, but if you're going to call something like that, all right, just call it all the way. Give him a penalty for interference then.

[auxlepli 17]

It's pretty obvious to me that lately, the ice is tilted toward sunbelt teams. Today's calls, and non-calls, reinforced my theory.

[timsummers 0]

The fans needed to keep the Bullsh*t chant going alway till the refs skated back to the locker room.

i lost my voice from screaming bulls*** and...various other things toward that piece of garbage pronger.

if thats any consolation...which im sure it isnt.

[b.shanafan14 733]

It's pretty obvious to me that lately, the ice is tilted toward sunbelt teams. Today's calls, and non-calls, reinforced my theory.

Agree. Everyone knows Bettman wants to pander to bigger markets, not hockey markets and especially with the nationally televised games. Tonite was an officiating sham. How you don't call Kunitz for the sucker punch or what I believe is still considered rape in most states on a goaltender with what appeared to be a legitamately frozen puck and then turn around a disallow a goal with such CERTAINTY when anyone with eyes can see there is no interference, it makes me ill.

The referees have no consequence for poor performance and coaches who get too vocal about them get fined. Bettman loves Cali and today's game was an embarrassment to the sport of hockey and the NHL.

The review and non-review of goals is baffling in itself, like some bureaucratic trick. The puck is in the net and allowed, but we can overturn it. The puck is in the net and not allowed, no review? Its one of those things that is put up nice and big in high-definition for the world to see its wrong with no means to make it right? Its the equivalent of fumble in the NFL, if deemed a fumble it can be reviewed and called down, but if it is deemed down, it can never again be a fumble.

[CrossoverThrash 0]

they dont even have drakes big hit on the nhl.com highlights, anyone have a vid of this and other big hits?

[jim3033 1]

It's pretty obvious to me that lately, the ice is tilted toward sunbelt teams. Today's calls, and non-calls, reinforced my theory.

Agreed, growing young hockey cities always get the upper hand by the higher ups. I don't know if it's the economy of Detroit, the aging JLA or the fact that Detroit has been good for so long but it gets on your nerves.

Bettman calls it the human element of the sport. http://www.nhl.com/radio/nhl_hour.html

That is a really good excuse for bad reffing at the most critical points in a season. The NHL has the best hockey players in the world and it needs the best referees in the world too.

I think the refs are pressured in some way to give some other teams the advantage. A lot of people will disagree and say that would never happen but this stuff happens a lot. Maybe it was because Homer has a bad rep in front of the goal but there were other calls in that game too that didn't involve Homer. I don't know what goes on but it really feels like a Nerf NHL sometimes.

Why don't they just make a globetrotters league for the NHL and have them fly around those southern states spreading the good word of hockey?

--The wings may have gotten away with a similar 'no goal' playing Colorado a week ago and it looked like Hasek took a dive. That one was more clean cut than this one though.

Anyways, the Wings have an awesome team and I don't care what the pundits say who didn't watch the game or aren't allowed to say anything controversial...so that's my rant

Edited February 11, 2008 by jim3033

[Dano33 41]

Maybe another example of a double standard/protecting goalies. We get this holmstrom s*** called back today, but a few weeks ago when we played phoenix bryzgalov threw two punches to the gut to (not sure who, probably homer) one of our players and it went completely unnoticed. So to make this clear, minorly brushing a goalie even when he runs into you is illegal, but punches trown by a goalie, perfectly legal.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Dano33

[edicius 3,269]

Last night's debacle makes me not want to watch hockey at ALL this week. If I was a borderline fan and not a die-hard, Bettman would have lost me for good.

[40#1Fan 0]

Nice to see the following comments from an "outsider".

from Damien Cox of the Toronto Star

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

The NHL is very good at disciplining and suspending its players.

Someday, it would be nice to see them apply some performance standards to their on-ice officials outside of firing the ones they don't like at the end of the season.

Yesterday afternoon, the Red Wings and Ducks went at it in an humdinger of a hockey game, won 3-2 by Anaheim. The crime, however, was that the Wings clearly scored in the final minute of play on a Nicklas Lidstrom shot from the point that beat J.S. Giguere but had it incorrectly waved off by veteran official Dan O'Halloran.

O'Halloran thought he saw Tomas Holmstrom interfering with Giguere, and whistled incidental contact, with no penalty. Holmstrom, however, was clearly outside the blue paint with his back to the Anaheim goalie, setting up a perfect screen, and Giguere moved out and bumped the Detroit player as the puck went by him.

Now, it's not as if the Wings need the point, although they've now lost three straight.

But it was still their point, and O'Halloran was dead wrong. Even worse, he was clearly calling what he thought he saw, rather than what he actually saw.

It was particularly strange given that Anaheim, not Detroit, is one of the most notorious crease-crashing teams in the NHL, and that there was an extraordinary amount of obvious interference by defencemen on forecheckers let go in the game, the same kind of interfererence that the league is permitting to increase in virtually every game these days.

If O'Halloran had wanted to call interference, he had a dozen incidents during the contest for which he could have raised his arm rather than on a play on which interference actually didn't occur.

Detroit made a great play to set up the game-tying shot, and Holmstrom did a great job NOT to interfere with Giguere.

But O'Halloran took it away. Totally blew the call.

The NBA has allowed several games to be replayed, including one this year.

Wouldn't you love to see the NHL, in this case, rule the goal should have stood and force the two teams to finish the game at a later date? Or to suspend O'Halloran for making such a grievous error?

Don't bet on either scenario unfolding, and no one's going to lose sleep because the mighty Red Wings didn't get a point yesterday.

But make no mistake about it - they got screwed.

[imisssergei 0]

Nice to see the following comments from an "outsider".

from Damien Cox of the Toronto Star

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/

O'Halloran thought he saw Tomas Holmstrom interfering with Giguere, and whistled incidental contact, with no penalty. Holmstrom, however, was clearly outside the blue paint with his back to the Anaheim goalie, setting up a perfect screen, and Giguere moved out and bumped the Detroit player as the puck went by him.

Watch the replay, Homer's left skate was in the crease. I'm not defending the call, but I hate it when plays that are as close as this one was, are made to such a 'can't miss it but the ref did somehow' call.

Homer was in the crease. Jiggy initiated contact. Homers rep damed him and the Wings once again.

[pjgj13 30]

Watch the reply in slow motion. The puck was already past Giguere when he stuck his face in Homer's ass. It was damn close to being over the red line when he "interfered" with him.

[Lidsyukerberg 0]

Actually the call isn't what aggravated me. O'Halloran thought he saw something, and let's face it, deserved or not, Homer has a rep in this league, so O'Halloran called what he thought he saw. That's his job.

However, what did make me pop a vein was that; this wasn't a penalty call where there is no arguing it and even the ref has to say "oh well it was a bad call, but it stands and we can even it out during the course of the game." This was a goal in the last seconds of the game. Goals can be reviewed, especially when you have everyone in the entire arena (aside from the other team) yelling that it was a bad call. As a good ref, that is the time that you send it upstairs, review it, discover the error of your ways and call the goal good if it is indeed a good goal.

But O'Halloran isn't a good ref, is he? His chance came to show his quality, and when he decided not to review the goal, he showed his quality for what it is; poor and biased. He wasn't even ashamed about it. He was very blatant about looking in the face of Detroit and saying "I don't like you and there is nothing you can do about it."

So, again I say, the call didn't bother me. It was his unwillingness to review it that made me blow a fuse. Our Wings were raped yesterday on national t.v. and they didn't even get the benefit of vasoline. If something is actually done about this, I will be absolutely astounded.

[Ozzie30 170]

According to Schneider, the call was correct

''Homer stole a lot of my goals like that too,'' Schneider said. ''As soon as he made contact, it's a dead play.''

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[DRW Dominance 255]

I guess I am in the extreme minority on this issue. Homer had his skate in the crease. I don't think he interfered with Giguere but he definitely impeded him. If anything I think Homer needs to learn where that blue ice is. Obviously they are going to call him on it every time so stay out of the blue altogether.

[eva unit zero 271]

My first reaction upon seeing Schneider's statement was "What an ass." Then I applied logical thinking and the result was that Schneider had to say that. Like it or not, he's a Duck. He's going to make a comment based on siding with his teammate Giguere's comments about how Homer was giving him the business because that's what teammates do. Schneider was particularly the right guy for the comment because he played with Homer the past few seasons and has had goals called back in similar situations.

[imisssergei 0]

Watch the reply in slow motion. The puck was already past Giguere when he stuck his face in Homer's ass. It was damn close to being over the red line when he "interfered" with him.

Are you serious? Talk about splitting hairs here buddy. You are talking about a tenth of a second here. The bottom line is that Homer was in the crease and there was contact. Anytime that happens, the call is going to go against Homer.

[jim3033 1]

'If O'Halloran had wanted to call interference, he had a dozen incidents during the contest for which he could have raised his arm rather than on a play on which interference actually didn't occur.'

[pjgj13 30]

Are you serious? Talk about splitting hairs here buddy. You are talking about a tenth of a second here. The bottom line is that Homer was in the crease and there was contact. Anytime that happens, the call is going to go against Homer.

The why didn't Kunitz get called for interference when he hit Ozzie upside the head with his knee leading to a goal? How many times has Homer been called for interference when the goalie was OUT of the crease? If a goalie leaves the crease he should be fair game.

I remember going to a Vipers game a number of years ago and a Vipers player checked his opponent into the goalie, knocking him over and passing out front to a teammate for an "empty netter". The play was hilarious and I loved it.

[auxlepli 17]

Michelin Man couldn't have gotten to the puck. If Vancouver's SO goal was a goal, then the Wings should've had at least three yesterday.

[bellarina 1]

Tonight is the reason (besides skill) that I will never be able to play professional hockey. After that bulls*** call, I would have broke my stick over the refs Fu#*ing face.

Me and you have more than 1 thing in common. I have the skill to some degree, enough to drop the gloves. But I would have been ejected from this league long ago

Edited February 12, 2008 by bellarina

[imisssergei 0]

The why didn't Kunitz get called for interference when he hit Ozzie upside the head with his knee leading to a goal? How many times has Homer been called for interference when the goalie was OUT of the crease? If a goalie leaves the crease he should be fair game.

I remember going to a Vipers game a number of years ago and a Vipers player checked his opponent into the goalie, knocking him over and passing out front to a teammate for an "empty netter". The play was hilarious and I loved it.

If you any watch hockey at any level, you know as well as anyone does, that what happens at one end of the ice doesn't necessarily unfold in the same manner as it does at the other end.

Here is a great example, we'll take a look at Chris Simon's most recent suspension. If you insert Datsyuk instead of Simon, Dats might have gotten 5 games at the utter most. Simon got 25. Why? Because of who he is and the history he has.

Fast forward to the Anaheim game. Take Homer out, and insert any other Red Wing in his spot. Lidstrom scores the goal, and this thread never gets started.

Homer was in the crease when contact was made. It matters not who initiated the contact, because inside the blue paint the 'tender has the right to be wherever it is he deems he needs to be to make a save. I'm sure that all the Ducks fans were praising the call, saying that Homer was in the crease, and impeded Jiggy from making the save. The only one who knows if the contact made any difference is Jiggy, and you better believe he is saying it did. The only thing that matters is Homer was in the crease, and contact was made. It's Jiggy's property, and Homer was trespassing. No goal. End of story. Now can we all please move on and stop the bitching?

Edited February 12, 2008 by imisssergei

[CrossoverThrash 0]

If you any watch hockey at any level, you know as well as anyone does, that what happens at one end of the ice doesn't necessarily unfold in the same manner as it does at the other end.

Here is a great example, we'll take a look at Chris Simon's most recent suspension. If you insert Datsyuk instead of Simon, Dats might have gotten 5 games at the utter most. Simon got 25. Why? Because of who he is and the history he has.

Fast forward to the Anaheim game. Take Homer out, and insert any other Red Wing in his spot. Lidstrom scores the goal, and this thread never gets started.

Homer was in the crease when contact was made. It matters not who initiated the contact, because inside the blue paint the 'tender has the right to be wherever it is he deems he needs to be to make a save. I'm sure that all the Ducks fans were praising the call, saying that Homer was in the crease, and impeded Jiggy from making the save. The only one who knows if the contact made any difference is Jiggy, and you better believe he is saying it did. The only thing that matters is Homer was in the crease, and contact was made. It's Jiggy's property, and Homer was trespassing. No goal. End of story. Now can we all please move on and stop the bitching?

exactly, its a double standard which is bs

[imisssergei 0]

exactly, its a double standard which is bs

Whatever you want to call it, a double standard, stereotype, or a conspiracy the fact remains that it would be happening without merit.

[pjgj13 30]

If you any watch hockey at any level, you know as well as anyone does, that what happens at one end of the ice doesn't necessarily unfold in the same manner as it does at the other end.

Here is a great example, we'll take a look at Chris Simon's most recent suspension. If you insert Datsyuk instead of Simon, Dats might have gotten 5 games at the utter most. Simon got 25. Why? Because of who he is and the history he has.

Fast forward to the Anaheim game. Take Homer out, and insert any other Red Wing in his spot. Lidstrom scores the goal, and this thread never gets started.

Homer was in the crease when contact was made. It matters not who initiated the contact, because inside the blue paint the 'tender has the right to be wherever it is he deems he needs to be to make a save. I'm sure that all the Ducks fans were praising the call, saying that Homer was in the crease, and impeded Jiggy from making the save. The only one who knows if the contact made any difference is Jiggy, and you better believe he is saying it did. The only thing that matters is Homer was in the crease, and contact was made. It's Jiggy's property, and Homer was trespassing. No goal. End of story. Now can we all please move on and stop the bitching?

What I mean by taken out was that the goalie was knock on his ass causing him to leave an empty net. He was trying to play the puck and a Viper player checked the opponent into the goalie. Funniest play I remember, at least in person.