awingsincebirth 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) the nice thing about a losing streak is that when it's over it doesn't matter anymore ... noone will be talking about this losing streak 2 weeks from now or 2 months from now ... so let's just take a few positives from it -- it magnifies the team's needs and gives the team a chance to fight through some adversity ... As far as I see it there are two ways that this could spin. 1) This one is NOT going to happen. In this scenario we end this streak, head into the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round. As critical fans, we then look back to Black February as the beginning of the end for this team, the month where it all started to come undone. 2) This one IS going to happen....hopefully. In this scenario we end this streak, head into the playoffs and continue our violent dicatatorship over the rest of this league on the way to our first Cup since 02, doing away with the Ducks in 6 and the Flyers in 5. As critical and jubilant fns, we then look back to Black February as the month that our team's character was tested, and we came out even stronger because of it. LET'S GO BOYS! (Also, I don't like how this thread points to ANTI-Wings fans. To be an anti-Wing fan would mean that you are opposed to Wings fans, and I guess to the Wings. I realize this is just semantics, but just because some people get concerned about a 6 game skid doesn't make them worse fans because of it.) Edited February 18, 2008 by awingsincebirth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwing_sparty 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 this slump was bound to happen! with how amazing they've played all season, you knew it would catch up to them eventually. yah it sucks now, but things will change soon. i believe rafalski is back tonight and kroner on friday. that should def make a difference, especialy on the powerplay. keep wearing the winged wheel with pride! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Actually, a lot of times they do. Then it would seem you and I have a fundamental disagreement on the nature of slumps like this one. I don't believe in anomalous streaks that just come and go regardless of how well or poorly a team is playing. There are always discernable causes. The teams that realize this and address said causes are the teams that tend to go deep into the postseason. Sweeping things under the rug and saying, "Let's just forget we ever had this slide. We're great and that's all that matters," is a terrible way of handling something that should ultimately be viewed as didactic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 well I am sure we will be doing the same thing again in the off season as always, going for yet another looked upon "elite" goalie. Insanity: Doing the same thing and expecting different results. that about sums up the wings idea of the problems each season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 We'll see...this team also doesn't have nearly close the talent level of the 01-02 team, and even that team was a fluke goal away from a 1st round exit. I think the young guys (Flip, Kopy, etc.) have hit a wall right now, and their progress has flat-lined. It would also be wise to get Homer off the Datsyuk line and put him with Hank. Franzen-Dats-Huds Flip-Hank-Homer Malts-Kopy-Sammy Downey-Drapes-Drake I think those lines would get a lot done, and right now it wouldn't hurt too much to change things up a bit. Kopecky has been getting praise for his play for the past month or so, the physical aspect of his game has improved, he gets limited minutes because of the line he is on. Filppula on the other hand, whats the count now 23 games since his last goal? Hopefully he can break that soon, they need for him to do so. I think Clearys injury has affected our scoring and defense more than people ever realized it would. Hudler is non-existant in all phases of the game right now, nuff said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jpfalcon09 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Way to be exactly the type of fan the OP described---defensively negative to the end!! Optimism? Hell no! How is what I said defensively negative? It's the truth. While I think this losing streak is good for the team on the sense that it brings them back down to earth a little and shows what holes they have to fill, it's asinine to compare this club to the 01-02 team. Is it wrong now to point out some weaknesses the Red Wings have in their lineup currently? I hope not. The reality is that some of the young kids are definitely not playing as well as they were earlier in the season, and it's showing right now. Flip has 2 goals in 22 games, Hudler doesn't want to shoot anymore and while Kopecky has played very well the past 2-3 weeks, his offensive skills still haven't come out. I'm very optimistic for the rest of the season, there are numerous injuries right now that have hamstrung the team and placed some kids in roles they're not ready for yet. They've shown this year how good they can be, and that's encouraging, but right now they're also showing how bad they can be with key injuries, and that is why for me the skepticism still exists. I hope Holland addresses the needs the team has right now, because some of the younger kids right now need some help producing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 So I can't be disappointed my team hasn't won in six games? I can't be truthful and say the Wings aren't the best team right now or this past week? I can't be realistic and say the Wings might not make the playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 So I can't be disappointed my team hasn't won in six games? I can't be truthful and say the Wings aren't the best team right now or this past week? I can't be realistic and say the Wings might not make the playoffs? Wrong, you can say all those things and feel those things. It is the overreaction that comes with that (not by you specifically) that is what gets on others nerves. Lets look at a few things: Is the team struggling right now? Vehemently YES!!! Are they the worst team in Hockey right now? NO! The wings just lost a 1-0 game to the second best team in the west. Are a lot of the players struggling? Well seeing as the team hasn't scored an even strength goal in 2 weeks (exaggeration), Lids is making uncharacteristic turnovers, 2 of the top 3 D-men are out, Cleary who was an energy work ethic guy is out, etc..... I would say YES!!!! Will they win a game the rest of the season? Yes. For proof that this is not the apocalypse lets look to the eastern conference. There is a team out there that has struggled with Injuries, scoring droughts and has actually maintained a top spot in the east even though they lost 7 in a row in Nov and Dec. That team is OTTAWA!!!!!! Streaks happen both losing and winning. This too, shall pass. Patience, remember the wings are all but assured a playoff spot, Dom would be playing if this were the post season, as would Ralf. The wings are using this time to get healthy, that doesn't mean I am happy they lose to C-bus, Nas, and others, but I have to look at the bigger picture and say, sure they are losing now, but I never thought they would go undefeated or never lose more than 3-4 games in a row. The guys look tired out there, it is time Lids gets a rest instead of Cheli on a back to back. It is time Dats gets a break. The problem with that is this team lacks the depth to allow that to happen. Hell there is no way Cheli sits until Ralf is back, there is no way Dats sits without secondary scoring. This team will right itself, patience, you can't always just sweep the leg, Johnny, sometimes you have to beat Daniel into submission! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 right now they're also showing how bad they can be with key injuries, and that is why for me the skepticism still exists. The big thing for me is depth. This slide shows we don't have it -- at least, not enough for us to go deep in the playoffs should we lose one or two important players. As hard as it is for this team to win with a depleted roster in the regular season, it's going to be twice as hard in the postseason. A healthy Ducks team with Blake on its blue line would eat this roster alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 The big thing for me is depth. This slide shows we don't have it -- at least, not enough for us to go deep in the playoffs should we lose one or two important players. As hard as it is for this team to win with a depleted roster in the regular season, it's going to be twice as hard in the postseason. A healthy Ducks team with Blake on its blue line would eat this roster alive. Hopefully that won't happen, because he publicly said today he wouldn't waive his no-trade clause. Even so, if the Wings are going to giving horrible players like Hudler and Meech regular minutes in the playoffs, the Ducks will still eat the Wings alive. Call it whatever word you want, it's the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Horrible players like HUDLER and MEECH. By horrible what exactly do you mean? Do you mean young skilled players who have never been regulars on an NHL team? Yes that they are. Because Webster's has horrible as meaning: Provoking horror. Which don't get me wrong, the Wing's play as of late has been bad, however I would not say it is horrible nor would I say any of the players are horrible. But maybe we have different definitions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) .... And guess what else... in the 2001-02 season, the wings went on a 7 game winless streak... but wait.. I believe they WON the cup that year too... While I agree there is nothing to really worry about them, going on a 7 game winless streak 7 years ago and winning the cup has nothing to do with this year. That's like saying I got an A in science and math 7 years ago so I'm bound to get an A this year! No... Edited February 18, 2008 by dallas27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
awingsincebirth 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 While I agree there is nothing to really worry about them, going on a 7 game winless streak 7 years ago and winning the cup has nothing to do with this year. That's like saying I got an A in science and math 7 years ago so I'm bound to get an A this year! No... actually its lile saying that somebody else that was kind of like you, but wasn't actually you, got an A in science and math 7 years ago. Obviously, the past has no impact on this team. However, with that said, it does prove that despite the way some people have been reacting, a 6 game losing streak does not automatically eliminate you from Cup contention. Phhheww! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sergeiwasmyfav 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 So I can't be disappointed my team hasn't won in six games? I can't be truthful and say the Wings aren't the best team right now or this past week? I can't be realistic and say the Wings might not make the playoffs? That is a little bit unrealistic as far as I'm concerned at this point. If this continues, maybe. But at this point, that comment is extreme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyDevil 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Teams hit highs and lows throughout the season, so I really wouldn't worry about it. I would think the important thing for the Red Wings is playing good hockey towards the end of the season going into the playoffs, as your team has tended to have a lot of problems in the 1st round the past few years as a high seed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest paveldatsukthenextsavard Report post Posted February 18, 2008 That is a little bit unrealistic as far as I'm concerned at this point. If this continues, maybe. But at this point, that comment is extreme. agreed, if the wings don't make the playoffs i will cut my left thumb off and put it on youtube. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 Horrible players like HUDLER and MEECH. By horrible what exactly do you mean? Do you mean young skilled players who have never been regulars on an NHL team? Yes that they are. Because Webster's has horrible as meaning: Provoking horror. Which don't get me wrong, the Wing's play as of late has been bad, however I would not say it is horrible nor would I say any of the players are horrible. But maybe we have different definitions! How about horrible = useless. I hope that helps you understand what we mean by horrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ziggy Stardust 0 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 At least in times like these it's easy too see who's fans and who's not. I'm sick and tired of those who call themselves fans, and turns off their TV 10 minutes into the 2nd period because Wings are losing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) nevermind Edited February 18, 2008 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) At least in times like these it's easy too see who's fans and who's not. Oh give me a break. We're all Wings fans here -- some of us just choose to be vocal about the team's perceived shortcomings. And it's not like there's no basis for doing so. How many times over the last 10+ years have we seen a strong yet flawed Wings team destroy the opposition in the regular season only to be upset in the postseason because its supposedly inconsequential weaknesses are exposed and taken advantage of? Learning from past mistakes does not make someone an "anti Wings fan." Seriously, what a crock. Edited February 18, 2008 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted February 18, 2008 They just need to get healthy. I'm still worried about the defense... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 Oh give me a break. We're all Wings fans here -- some of us just choose to be vocal about the team's perceived shortcomings. And it's not like there's no basis for doing so. How many times over the last 10+ years have we seen a strong yet flawed Wings team destroy the opposition in the regular season only to be upset in the postseason because its supposedly inconsequential weaknesses are exposed and taken advantage of? Learning from past mistakes does not make someone an "anti Wings fan." Seriously, what a crock. All of us, whether we are on either extreme (i.e. hate all bashing or wanting to suggest a handful of trade scenarios) need to find a happy medium to get along. Life is definitely not peachy clean in here with a 6-game losing streak obviously. I certainly don't mind reading/hearing about such things as trade scenarios or why certain players are struggling. It's a sports forum, it'll happen. What I don't take seriously is the 1-liners, whether they are a joke or not, yelling "OMG HE SUCKS!" or "OH MY GOD HE'S WORSE THAN A BAG OF PUCKS!" without giving any explanation or reason why. Personal hatred of a player. I understand why that is most of the time, it's just something I don't feel like doing (i.e. Sammy/Lilja, Osgood of late for some posters). Only thing I try to ask for is be objective and reasonable if you dislike some player or some thing about the game. Just like the Rolling Stones song though, "You Can't Always Get What You Want." Ah well, life could be worse at least... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted February 19, 2008 On the brighter side, at least we've all stopped blaming the refs... Well, pretty much, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
