Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[pavyaz19 1]

if filpulla goes, i will be pissed... he is our future, he's our next datsyuk

[Dabura 12,232]

if filpulla goes, i will be pissed... he is our future, he's our next datsyuk

He's only our future by choice, as opposed to necessity.

As several people have already said, I can't imagine anyone crying over losing Flip after seeing Hossa in this lineup. Hossa is an elite player who's good for 40-goal seasons, very strong two-way play, and a physical presence (albeit not in the traditional sense).

Anyone who would take Filppula over that is simply blinded by sentimentality. I'm going to keep beating this drum until Hossa signs somewhere.

[DatsyukRules 0]

Is it realistic for the Wings to get McCarty, Federov, and Hossa?

Are we just getting two? one? one and a D? What do you think Kenny's aiming for?

[Salviaman 104]

Is it realistic for the Wings to get McCarty, Federov, and Hossa?

Are we just getting two? one? one and a D? What do you think Kenny's aiming for?

Yes we could afford all 3 of them. But I don't know if we can add a Dman like Stuart if we add those 3, especially Feds and Hossa. McCarty would only cost league minimum which is what? 500k? thats nothing. He will only be a depth player for the playoffs in the likely hood that one of our players gets injured.

Things you need to look at are 1.) Our current Salary Cap 2.) Feds and Hossa's current Salary for this year 3.) If we are able to fit them in under the cap for the playoffs. I am 2 lazy to do that so I will let someone else explain this like OsGod and/or Harold, and of course rage.

For All you people who say "NO I DONT WANT TO GIVE UP FILPPULA HE IS OUR FUTURE!!" Please do yourself a favor and "YOUTUBE": Marian Hossa! I assure you that Fil would have not been lost for nothing like Shawn Matthias was. The way I see it we have way to many centers on this team and not enough scoring wingers(Hossa). Sure I would love if we could keep Val but if we can get Hossa for him and Huds then in the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin: "What?!" "Give me a OH HELL YEAH and a beer!" And thats the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so! *Glass Breaks*

[FinRedWing 172]

I wish I could say that I think you're right, but I can't...I think Filppula will eventually turn into a decent 2nd liner (20-25 goals/30-35 assists per season), but he'll most likely never reach 80 plus points, nor be a threat like Dats, or Hank.

But you'll have to remember that he'll cost us 3-4 times less than Z & Dats too.

Those kind of numbers would be very good coming from a second liner making 2 million.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

In a few years - yes 50 to 65 points from the likes of Filppula is what I honestly believe he's capable of...And yes - $2 to $3 million is roughly the going rate for a player whom plays on the 2nd line, puts up 50 to 65 points, & is defensively responsible; kinda what Cleary will be offered (probably closer to $3 to $3.5 per year).

Right now he's not quite there, but probably will be in a few years...Opposing GMs/scouts probably see this as well, & would want Filppula if they were to make a trade with Detroit...Depends what Holland is willing to give up for the likes of Sundin/Hossa/etc etc...This is why I'm getting the feeling that Holland won't do much other than pick up Feds, Dmac, & quite possibly a Dman (Stuart/Staios/etc); when the prices start to soar for Sundin/Hossa I'd say Holland will look @ other alternatives.

And I get the feeling you would be right.

[sinbin 3]

In a few years - yes 50 to 65 points from the likes of Filppula is what I honestly believe he's capable of...And yes - $2 to $3 million is roughly the going rate for a player whom plays on the 2nd line, puts up 50 to 65 points, & is defensively responsible; kinda what Cleary will be offered (probably closer to $3 to $3.5 per year).

Right now he's not quite there, but probably will be in a few years...Opposing GMs/scouts probably see this as well, & would want Filppula if they were to make a trade with Detroit...Depends what Holland is willing to give up for the likes of Sundin/Hossa/etc etc...This is why I'm getting the feeling that Holland won't do much other than pick up Feds, Dmac, & quite possibly a Dman (Stuart/Staios/etc); when the prices start to soar for Sundin/Hossa I'd say Holland will look @ other alternatives.

Couldn't have said any better!

[2probert4 8]

Yeah, I really didn't think that they had a legit shot at Hossa. I say San Jose, Dallas, Detroit.

I wouldnt put it past Burke to get involved in the trade talks, just to jack the price up for other teams.

[russianswede919293 95]

I have my doubts if there's anyone else looking into the availability of Feds; sounds like we're front & center in the Fedorov Sweepstakes

100% not true. Spectors lists Ottawa as interested today in his updates, and I have heard a few other teams thrown in there as well, though I cannot remember which ones right now.

[russianswede919293 95]

Spectors has an article from La Presse, today saying the Habs have ordered equipment for Hossa, it also says that doesn't mean a deal is a guarentee, but they should be pushing hard for the trade to go through.

[russianswede919293 95]

He's only our future by choice, as opposed to necessity.

As several people have already said, I can't imagine anyone crying over losing Flip after seeing Hossa in this lineup. Hossa is an elite player who's good for 40-goal seasons, very strong two-way play, and a physical presence (albeit not in the traditional sense).

Anyone who would take Filppula over that is simply blinded by sentimentality. I'm going to keep beating this drum until Hossa signs somewhere.

Blinded by sentimentaility

How about realizes this is NOT 2002 and there IS a salary cap. As I have posted numerous times before the Wings cannot afford to keep Hossa long term with out jeopardizing the depth of the roster. They are already paying big money on Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Rafalski, and soon to be Zetterberg, any more than that and they would be depleting their resources to put out more than 2 good lines.

So yeah call us sentimental, I'll call us logical, and I think you are blinded by high hopes and a pre-cap nastalgia.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

if filpulla goes, i will be pissed... he is our future, he's our next datsyuk

No he's not.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25

[russianswede919293 95]

No he's not.

Agreed, but he will be a very talented 2nd line player none the less, and I would hate to see him go for a rent a player.

[detroitdan 0]

Agreed, but he will be a very talented 2nd line player none the less, and I would hate to see him go for a rent a player.

he won't go for a rental player...Kenny will only trade him if he can get Hossa locked up long term

[Dabura 12,232]

As I have posted numerous times before the Wings cannot afford to keep Hossa long term with out jeopardizing the depth of the roster.

As others have posted numerous times before, the Wings can afford it. At this point, the argument for keeping Flip instead of Hossa holds no water.

[Dabura 12,232]

And yes, he would be a long-term commitment, not a rental.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Agreed, but he will be a very talented 2nd line player none the less, and I would hate to see him go for a rent a player.

So would I, and I'm not suggesting that he should go for a rental. However, (whether you find it to be feasible or not) for a re-signed Hossa I wouldn't even think twice about it.

[JPT 26]

Filpulla himself is not nearly enough for a player of Marian Hossa's caliber. Who else would they want in a package - probably at least Hudler and a 2nd rounder....

[russianswede919293 95]

he won't go for a rental player...Kenny will only trade him if he can get Hossa locked up long term

See my aboe posts about the issues of signing Hossa long term and its implications on the Red Wings team depth. It is not financially feasable...

Numbers are from nhlnumbers.com

Datsyuk 6.7 million

Zetterberg 2.65 million

Holmstrom 2.25 Million

Draper 1.583

Samuelsson 1.20

Hudler 1.015

Franzen 0.942

Maltby 0.883

Filpulla lets assume he has been traded for Hossa, along with a prospect and picks

Cleary, lets assume he gets the LOWEST i think hell get of 2.5 million

Kopecky 0.500

Hossa will get about 8 million next year, if not more...but we will say 8 for arguements sake.

So 11 forwards under contract

Lidstrom 7.45

Rafalski 6.00

Kronwall 3.00

Chelios, I'll assume he gets the same contract 0.845

Lebda 0.65

Meech 0.483

Quincey 0.520

And we will assume Lilja wants too much money for what will fit with Hossa here.

7 Defenseman under contract

Ozzie 1.417

Howard is a RFA and will get probably around 0.850, a slight raise from this season

2 goalies

Total 49.438 million

Plus 2.3 million in defered bonuses for Hasek and Chelios this season is

51.738 milllion

AND a need to bring in one more forward with a cap of AT MOST 55 million and possibly even only 53 million....

That is way too low for flexibility, not a wise move

Addition after edit:

And this is ASSUMING I have guessed new salaries correctly, that may not be true, they could go for more money, then there is even less cap space.

2nd Addition:

Then the next Season Hudler, and Zetterberg get raises Z's at least of 5 million, and it is too far ahead to assume the cap goes up a lot again, so assume that the cap is the same as it would be next year, and OH NO the Wings are over cap

Edited February 21, 2008 by russianswede919293

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Filpulla himself is not nearly enough for a player of Marian Hossa's caliber. Who else would they want in a package - probably at least Hudler and a 2nd rounder....

Correct, but Hudler and a second might be a little too much as well. I would think a prospect and a pick (along with Filppula) should be enough given Hossa status in Atlanta.

[egroen 384]

Filpulla himself is not nearly enough for a player of Marian Hossa's caliber. Who else would they want in a package - probably at least Hudler and a 2nd rounder....

Well, that depends -- Remember, while Hossa has no say in what team he is traded to, he does have a say in what team he *signs* for. There are probably very few teams who are in a position to go after Hossa (playoff bound and can afford it), fewer teams that Atlanta actually want to trade with (probably prefer it be a Western Conference team, and they need good, young assets) and finally, if they want more than a prospect and a pick for a rental --> It has to be a "winning" team that Hossa would want to sign long term with.

So that means we are probably looking at San Jose, Detroit and possibly Dallas to meet all those parameters. How high can the price be jacked when only three teams are in any serious contention?

Otherwise, they are pretty much guaranteed to lose him to free agency -- for nothing. I would take Filppula over nothing any day. I would take Filppula over Marleau as well.

[rick zombo 3,739]

Correct, but Hudler and a second might be a little too much as well. I would think a prospect and a pick (along with Filppula) should be enough given Hossa status in Atlanta.

If Detroit lock Hossa up long term, then I would dare to say that Filpulla, Hudler, and this years 1st round pick wouldn't even be too much to part with.

[VM1138 1,921]

I agree; Hossa is worth Filppula/Hudler/1st rounder if Holland can lock him up for another 4, or more years...Me thinks landing Hossa will be a pipe dream since there's always a rival GM or 2 that'll outbid Holland.

I think that the rumors and hints are leaning toward Detroit being the team that is "light years" ahead of the others, according to DW.

I'm also sick of people saying they don't want Hossa because he's too expensive or a rental. He's neither, and it's been proven a million times already.

[Viperar 16]

I think that the rumors and hints are leaning toward Detroit being the team that is "light years" ahead of the others, according to DW.

I'm also sick of people saying they don't want Hossa because he's too expensive or a rental. He's neither, and it's been proven a million times already.

more than a million times

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

If Detroit lock Hossa up long term, then I would dare to say that Filpulla, Hudler, and this years 1st round pick wouldn't even be too much to part with.

How long of a term are you talking?

While I agree adding Hossa long term for the aforementioned deal looks good, you can't give up too many pieces of your puzzle. A 50 point guy (Hudler should end up around that number), a first rounder and a solid 2nd liner with potential to be a 55-70 point per year guy (plus is defensively responsible and an RFA) is a lot to give up for a single player even with being locked up long term.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Never Forget Mac #25