Hossa Sweepstakes down to four teams?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

Guys, there's no way Hossa's looking for $9-10 mill. Let's be realistic here. Whoever reported that, i've never heard of that guy in my life lol

Now, maybe $8 mill for Hossa isn't out of the question on the open market. But i have heard he would take $6.5-7 from the right team.

I have said i'd rather Sundin over Hossa, but if Sundin's a rental then i'd rather Hossa if he's here long term.

[Viperar 16]

Guys, there's no way Hossa's looking for $9-10 mill. Let's be realistic here. Whoever reported that, i've never heard of that guy in my life lol

Now, maybe $8 mill for Hossa isn't out of the question on the open market. But i have heard he would take $6.5-7 from the right team.

I have said i'd rather Sundin over Hossa, but if Sundin's a rental then i'd rather Hossa if he's here long term.

someone gets it

[miller76 463]

Does Montreal look more interesting to Hossa/Waddell than Detroit?

Marian Hossa, Atlanta Thrashers: Negotiations between his agent and Thrashers general manager Don Waddell are believed to be ongoing. Waddell continues to insist his priority is to re-sign the talented winger, but his presence at two Montreal Canadiens games in as many weeks has led to speculation that Waddell is talking trade with the Habs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/7794236...g-Hossa,-others

[ShanahanMan 473]

even 6 mil is too much for him. He's no Crosby. 4-5 mil seems more up his alley.

[Guest Canadian Wings]

even 6 mil is too much for him. He's no Crosby. 4-5 mil seems more up his alley.

6 mill too much for hossa? are u high!?

[Guest Canadian Wings]

Does Montreal look more interesting to Hossa/Waddell than Detroit?

Marian Hossa, Atlanta Thrashers: Negotiations between his agent and Thrashers general manager Don Waddell are believed to be ongoing. Waddell continues to insist his priority is to re-sign the talented winger, but his presence at two Montreal Canadiens games in as many weeks has led to speculation that Waddell is talking trade with the Habs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/7794236...g-Hossa,-others

Dreger said on TSN today that Waddell will make one last pitch to Hossa probably tomorrow and if he can't sign him things will heat up this weekend.

[kylee 727]

but his personality is not what this team needs. He's nothing more than a greedy, one-way street that cares only about money. He wasn't happy in Ottawa, now he's not happy in Atlanta either.

Steveie and Cheli and Babs can have a sit down with him.

[Matt 1,049]

I hate Hossa. There's no denying his talent, but his personality is not what this team needs. He's nothing more than a greedy, one-way street that cares only about money.

I think you're a bit too quick to pass judgment on Hossa considering it's a secondhand report from RDS and not a direct quote from his agent. What RDS says isn't gospel.

Besides, who WOULDN'T want $9-10 million per season? What you ask for and what you get are two entirely different things. Besides, I think tha total is a bit excessive to be believable, anyway.

I don't think money is the big underlying factor for him at this point. His next contract deal will put him with a franchise for the duration of what will likely be the peak of his NHL career -- and I think he'd want to make that commitment with a franchise that is committed to winning the Stanley Cup year in and year out, salary cap be damned. You'd be hard pressed to find a more fitting franchise than Detroit in this case.

It just has to make cap sense.

[rwfan007 18]

if we have a shot to get a proven star on our team while giving up a player or two who arent proven yet, you would be nuts not to make a deal like this. We most likely will have the cap room to get him and Z signed to long term deals, and with the departure of said young players, that space can be used this deadline as well for some depth D-men. get this deal done and a depth D-men, plus getting Lids, Raffy, and Kronner back will be quality acquisitions in themselves, Plus Cleary will be back come playoff time, we will have a healthy roster to work with in the playoffs (knock on wood) If we add some guys now who can get this team to the playoffs and get back the guys who are hurt, we have a real quality shot at the cup. Make it happen Kenny!

[russianswede919293 95]

Alright I have come out to make one last point here. People have compared the salary commitments of signing Hossa long term to the lightning, which people have said "The Wings have more depth than the lightning," but firstly the Wings would have to trade that depth to get Hossa, and secondly this is a team that makes its living not rushing prospects into the NHL, and to acquire Hossa would mean they would have to rush young, cheap prospects into the NHL to fit under cap, which goes against the way this team has developed prospects for YEARS now, and I think that that is just not feasible.

So again I state, based on cap constraints, DEFERRED BONUSES FROM THIS SEASON, and the Wings policy of slowly developing players until they are ready (most don't come up until they are out of options) I just don't see this whole thing as a realistic possibility.

[Dabura 12,232]

to acquire Hossa would mean they would have to rush young, cheap prospects into the NHL to fit under cap

No it wouldn't. This is a phantom argument.

[russianswede919293 95]

No it wouldn't. This is a phantom argument.

So what cheap fills do you have for departures of Lilja, Cleary, Drake, etc.

the answer is prospects that may not be ready yet. The Red Wings are very conservative in bringing young players up, waiting until they are ready, I don't want to see that change.

[russianswede919293 95]

No it wouldn't. This is a phantom argument.

I also love that regardless of how many times I bring up deferred bonuses to next years salary nobody trying to justify Hossa thiniks that this is involved in calculating the cap. You must assume it only goes up 3 million dollars and not the while 5. Assuming it goes up more than it will gets you into trouble. so with my previous post taking deferred salary into account and only a 3 million cap raise the Wings are 1 million under cap IF I assumed the right salaries for guys like Howard that are RFA'a which could be more than my assumptions.

[Hank 0]

I think we all need to realize that Hossa isn't coming to Detroit. Why? Because almost every deal that includes a big name like Hossa is not leaked until the deal is done.

That's why I think he'll end up on a team that hasn't even been mentioned or thought about (eg Phoenix). Or more than likely he isn't traded at all.

[VM1138 1,921]

As far as rushing young talent, whyw ould we need to? Cleary and Lilja aren't going anywhere. Quincey and Meech can handle the NHL (though Meech isn't that great).

I just don't see the problem depth-wise in acquiring Hossa. And if you want more depth Holland could always test the waters with a Kopecky deal for Federov or soemoen. Unlikely, but I think Federov would be cheap and provide better depth than Kopecky.

[Dabura 12,232]

I'll get back to this thread when I have time tonight.

In the meantime, it should be understood that Hossa can, in fact, be squeezed in. The Cap increase may not be to Hossa proponents' liking, but even then, it would affod enough room for him and Hank to play on the same roster -- yes, even with these mean ol' DEFERRED BONUSES!!!11

True, tough decisions might have to be made, but no one has ever denied that. After all, you don't get a top-tier scorer for nothing, nor do you win the Cup with Jiri Hudler as your secondary scoring go-to guy in the playoffs.

Edited February 22, 2008 by Dabura

[russianswede919293 95]

As far as rushing young talent, whyw ould we need to? Cleary and Lilja aren't going anywhere. Quincey and Meech can handle the NHL (though Meech isn't that great).

I just don't see the problem depth-wise in acquiring Hossa. And if you want more depth Holland could always test the waters with a Kopecky deal for Federov or soemoen. Unlikely, but I think Federov would be cheap and provide better depth than Kopecky.

Fedorov, Lilja, Cleary will NOT all fit under the cap...Hell even Lilja wouldn't fit under cap with a Hossa deal unless they let Cleary walk...

[russianswede919293 95]

I'll get back to this thread when I have time tonight.

In the meantime, it should be understood that Hossa can, in fact, be squeezed in. The Cap increase may not be to Hossa proponents' liking, but even then, it would affod enough room for him and Hank to play on the same roster -- yes, even with these mean ol' DEFERRED BONUSES!!!11

True, tough decisions might have to be made, but no one has ever denied that. After all, you don't get a top-tier scorer for nothing, nor do you win the Cup with Jiri Hudler as your secondary scoring go-to guy in the playoffs.

That right there is my issue...I have agreed that number wise he fits, unless cap doesnt go up for the 2009/2010 season. BUT the squeezing in is a dangerous things. Plenty of teams have played with fire and played the cap tight, like Tampa Bay and Toronto, and it has gotten them in plenty of trouble.

[Hank 0]

As far as rushing young talent, whyw ould we need to? Cleary and Lilja aren't going anywhere. Quincey and Meech can handle the NHL (though Meech isn't that great).

I just don't see the problem depth-wise in acquiring Hossa. And if you want more depth Holland could always test the waters with a Kopecky deal for Federov or soemoen. Unlikely, but I think Federov would be cheap and provide better depth than Kopecky.

This scenario makes a lot more sense. Neil Smith was on XM this morning and he said he can't remember the last Cup winning team that added a "core" player at the deadline. He said the last team to do it was Colorado and Rob Blake. But he could not remember a forward of significance that was added that propelled a team to a Cup.

In most cases a team adds bit-parts to an already established core.

I see the Wings doing the same thing - adding a Stuart or Lapointe to round out the edges.

And if the Wings do make a big splash I see a player like Dan Boyle coming over more than a Hossa or Sundin.

[russianswede919293 95]

This scenario makes a lot more sense. Neil Smith was on XM this morning and he said he can't remember the last Cup winning team that added a "core" player at the deadline. He said the last team to do it was Colorado and Rob Blake. But he could not remember a forward of significance that was added that propelled a team to a Cup.

In most cases a team adds bit-parts to an already established core.

I see the Wings doing the same thing - adding a Stuart or Lapointe to round out the edges.

And if the Wings do make a big splash I see a player like Dan Boyle coming over more than a Hossa or Sundin.

Agreed

[Dominator2005 558]

1. Guys, there's no way Hossa's looking for $9-10 mill. Let's be realistic here. Whoever reported that, i've never heard of that guy in my life lol

Now, maybe $8 mill for Hossa isn't out of the question on the open market. 2. But i have heard he would take $6.5-7 from the right team.

I have said i'd rather Sundin over Hossa, but if Sundin's a rental then i'd rather Hossa if he's here long term.

1. That was said on RDS (Montreal station sim. to TSN) - you are supposed to know all hockey analysts??? WOW!!!!

2. Where did you heard/read this? Source?

There is a lot of SF here - personal analys, thoughts and you can't find any source... main source is FACEBOOK s***... I'm not saying that Pednault is credible... have no idea - he said that Hossa is 29 yo / and he's looking for last contract of his career - longterm contract $9M to $10M... Is he worth it??? When you are looking at Briere and Drury - someone might give him that kind of money. I never said that I don't want to move Hudler, Flip... anything to make this team better - I'm for it...

[russianswede919293 95]

1. That was said on RDS (Montreal station sim. to TSN) - you are supposed to know all hockey analysts??? WOW!!!!

2. Where did you heard/read this? Source?

There is a lot of SF here - personal analys, thoughts and you can't find any source... main source is FACEBOOK s***... I'm not saying that Pednault is credible... have no idea - he said that Hossa is 29 yo / and he's looking for last contract of his career - longterm contract $9M to $10M... Is he worth it??? When you are looking at Briere and Drury - someone might give him that kind of money. I never said that I don't want to move Hudler, Flip... anything to make this team better - I'm for it...

I'd say at least their money, he is better than Briere and Drury.

[egroen 384]

It's up to him -- he can get that money, on a crappy team.

[russianswede919293 95]

RDS had information that gloves have been tailored in several colors of teams, including the Canadiens, Minnesota Wild and Boston Bruins, Hossa is rumored headed to.

Spectors

Looks like the posts saying the Wings were "lightyears ahead" in the negotiations with Atalanta are a little bit misinformed...

I think that the rumors and hints are leaning toward Detroit being the team that is "light years" ahead of the others, according to DW.

I'm also sick of people saying they don't want Hossa because he's too expensive or a rental. He's neither, and it's been proven a million times already.

[drwscc 212]

A report in a Montreal newspaper over a delivery of gloves forHossa turned out to be for Marcel of the Rangers, not Marian of theThrashers.