Pronger at it again

[imisssergei 0]

What are you talking about? Can you honestly say he didnt deserve a suspension? You have got to be kidding, there is clear evidence, and the NHL F**KED up badly on this one. End of story.

Seriously, you can't see a clear stomp. But let's just say you can. You still can't say that Pronger stomped on the ice, a stick, a leg, ect. The camera view doesn't show any of that.

Furthermore, look at the reaction, or lack thereof from Kessler. He doesn't instantly grab his leg in pain, he doesn't get up and go after Pronger. It wasn't until after the game that Kessler said or did anything.

[SnipeShow 0]

Seriously, you can't see a clear stomp. But let's just say you can. You still can't say that Pronger stomped on the ice, a stick, a leg, ect. The camera view doesn't show any of that.

Furthermore, look at the reaction, or lack thereof from Kessler. He doesn't instantly grab his leg in pain, he doesn't get up and go after Pronger. It wasn't until after the game that Kessler said or did anything.

I think its been said by the NHL that even if its only intent they will still punish the criminal because they dont want them to even think about doing it again, Pronger looked like he at least tried to stomp kesler, i was thinking 5 games personally. you're right, its not as clear as everyone is saying, and it is Pronger, so I thought 5 games was what he would get. apparently the NHL has given Pronger immunity.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I apologize in advance for re-stating points by other members as I have barely read any of this thread. I did see the "incident" this afternoon though.

I'm sure Pronger is probably a good guy off the ice and I think a lot of people in here go really overboard with their dislike towards him in most cases, but the higher ups should be ashamed of themselves for not suspending him for being a repeat offender.

No, I wish intentional injury on anyone and will not stoop low and do the same for Pronger, but eventually he is going to get what is coming to him by other players I think. Higher ups don't seem to want to do much about it which is sad. I'm not asking for anybody to injure him, throw him into the depths of purgatory, or any of that. I just want fair justice, nothing more/less, and him being suspended for a fair chunk of games would have done that, at least for me, but then again I'm just one idiot.

I think it is incredibly hypocritical that they suspend a lesser known star in Chris Simon for 30 games and a more popular player like Pronger doesn't even get a slap on the wrist. It's like he has a Get Out of Jail Free card from Monopoly. I know there is politics and favoritism in pretty much any kind of job or profession, but 30 to none in scenarios of pretty cowardly acts is just ridiculous.

And I'm no skating expert, but I find it hard to believe that this was could be "accidental". This isn't like basketball where you accidentally step on somebody's foot coming down out of the air after grabbing a rebound or diving for a loose ball or whatever. Skates make you a little taller than shoes/cleats, you have to pick up your strides a bit more on skates, and you would really have to lift your skate up a good bit to land it on somebody’s leg or calf while they were down.

The league should be ashamed of itself, and Pronger should be ashamed of himself. I'm usually willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of the hatred factor in here, and even when it is "physics" to a certain degree ( ), and he is still one helluva defenseman, but I am losing a lot of respect for his "questionable" hits or acts like this one, and losing respect for him fast.

I think what I saw today made me finally join the Dark Side in regards to the Pronger disdain.

[Statts 4]

Seriously, you can't see a clear stomp. But let's just say you can. You still can't say that Pronger stomped on the ice, a stick, a leg, ect. The camera view doesn't show any of that.

Furthermore, look at the reaction, or lack thereof from Kessler. He doesn't instantly grab his leg in pain, he doesn't get up and go after Pronger. It wasn't until after the game that Kessler said or did anything.

So you can see the reaction on Kessler’s face, but not Pronger lifting his leg and stomping on another player‘s leg? The video is clear to me. Sorry I’m gonna have to say you FAIL.

[tommingthepuck96 1]

Pronger went after him because he clearly shot the puck after the buzzer like a dumb a$$. That is one of those things you should never do.

It was a 2 mph wrist shot that taped gigeres oversized pads right as the buzzer went off. Wow yeah pronger way too stick up for your team mates and show leadership by turning something small into such a big deal with someone who clearly is twice as small as he is.

Even more funny because if it was lets say donald brashear or some known tough guy i can guarantee you pronger wouldnt have done what he had done.

Edited March 14, 2008 by tommingthepuck96

[Hack & Whack Rule! 160]

Seriously, folks...with all the crap this guy has dished out over the last few years, why hasn't he been allowed to spend some quality time with Chris Simon? Yeah, Simon is a little worse...but just a little. I, myself, can't wait until somebody knocks him out at centre ice.

[Duck Guy 86]

It was a 2 mph wrist shot that taped gigeres oversized pads right as the buzzer went off. Wow yeah pronger way too stick up for your team mates and show leadership by turning something small into such a big deal.

Even more funny because if it was lets say donald brashear or some known tough guy i can guarantee you pronger wouldnt have done what he had done.

it doesent matter if it was 1mph or 100 mph shot he shot the puck while the buzzer was going off (about a second or so) it is not like he started the shot before the buzzer. and who cares if it was at the end or start of the game. And lets not make a pronger thread into a "ZOMG GIGUERE HAS NO SKILL HIS PADS WON THE CUP FOR HIM AND HE HAS NO SKILL BECAUSE HE DOES NOT FLOP AROUND LIKE A FISH OUT OF WATER" And you dont know what he would of done if it was another player. Just sometimes man..... And i cant believe people are comparing this to simon's inccident that had to be at least 10000 times more vicious then what pronger did. :ranting:

Edited March 14, 2008 by Duck Guy

[Kp-Wings 3]

Pronger ******* blows.

Duck Guy, I know you're an Anaheim fan and all, but how can you seriously defend Pronger for his actions? Kicking, stomping, anything involving the skate is the most gutless act in hockey possible. If he wants to defend his teammates, than maybe he should drop his gloves for once, and stop being a ******* *****. He's such a gutless loser, much like Chris Simon is. These guys who choose to use their own equipment as weapons are classless pricks that don't belong in the league.

I don't care what possible light you look at it in, YOU DO NOT EVER STEP ON ANOTHER PLAYER WITH YOUR SKATE. That can almost be considered a criminal act if he hurts him bad enough. Heck, Alexander Perezhogin had criminal charges after he wholloped Garrett Stafford in the face with his stick in the AHL a couple of years ago. Likewise, the same goes for Jesse Boulerice when he lumberjacked Aaron Long in the OHL a few years back. I don't see it as any different. Sticks are not allowed to be used as weapons, and in no situation should skates be allowed to either.

That piece of s*** get's away with more than anyone else I've ever seen in this league. If he was some 4th line scrub, his ass would be toast in the NHL, but because he's considered a star defenseman, nothing happens to him. It's a damn ******* shame to see the direction the NHL has gone in these kinds of matters.

Edited March 14, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[Duck Guy 86]

pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury not because of his all star status. If there was a injury there would of been a suspension. Like in the West conf. when Holms got hit if there was no injury then he would of not of been suspended.

[Kp-Wings 3]

pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury not because of his all star status. If there was a injury there would of been a suspension. Like in the West conf. when Holms got hit if there was no injury then he would of not of been suspended.

I fail to understand how a guy should only be suspended if the player on the receiving end of things get's injured. Jarkko Ruutu was unharmed during Simon's tirade, yet Simon still got 25 games. Double standard.

Likewise, a couple of years back, guys like Martin Havlat and Ville Nieminen were suspended for kicking other players, but the players they kicked were not injured. Havlat is by no means a scrub, but I doubt the NHL considers him on the same level as Pronger, since Pronger has won a Norris Trophy (plus he's always hurt).

I'm sorry, but just because no injury resulted doesn't justify what Pronger did. The day he get's a proper suspension for his actions is the day a dark cloud is finally lifted over the NHL.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury not because of his all star status. If there was a injury there would of been a suspension. Like in the West conf. when Holms got hit if there was no injury then he would of not of been suspended.

Holmstrom returned to the game though, so you can't really say he was injured that badly to not continue or be out next game. Pronger got suspended

Samuelsson got speared in the face last game against the Blackhawks (I forgot who it was exactly but it wasn't a bone-fide superstar), he eventually returned and played this evening. The Blackhawks player got suspended for a game.

Look I'm not trying to pick a fight with you Duck Guy and I enjoy seeing fans of other teams post on here when they don't just start flame wars or talk 1-liner trash talk, you definitely don't get involved in that, and I have probably been one of the very few Wings fans in here that has thought people have gotten carried away with the PRONGER........BAD posts that occur so often in here, but you just cannot excuse stepping on somebody with a skate, whether the guy got injured or not.

This doesn't change the fact that Pronger still is a great defenseman. But it doesn't change the fact either that this is another questionable act that he involved himself in as well that, in all likelihood, he could have easily avoided.

[Statts 4]

pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury not because of his all star status. If there was a injury there would of been a suspension. Like in the West conf. when Holms got hit if there was no injury then he would of not of been suspended.

I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, but you said “ pronger did not get suspended because there was no injury”. Sounds like you, yourself are admitting there was intent to injure by pronger in your statement.. No? If so, whether you attempt to and succeed or attempt to and fail is irrelevant, it’s the fact that you attempted.

[Duck Guy 86]

Well if someone is injured wont the NHL be more gun ho about suspending someone? serious question not trying to be a jerk O.o and i dont know if pronger meant to hurt him or not. (i would think not) and what simon did was much worse.

Edited March 14, 2008 by Duck Guy

[Statts 4]

Well if someone is injured wont the NHL be more gun ho about suspending someone? serious question not trying to be a jerk O.o and i dont know if pronger meant to hurt him or not. (i would think not) and what simon did was much worse.

How so?

If I were to attempt to murder someone and failed would it be ok with you to let me walk free because I did not actually murder someone? (just and example)

Edited March 14, 2008 by Statts

[awingsincebirth 0]

Well if someone is injured wont the NHL be more gun ho about suspending someone? serious question not trying to be a jerk O.o and i dont know if pronger meant to hurt him or not. (i would think not) and what simon did was much worse.

Although I disagree with your last post about him not getting suspended because Kesler was not hurt (because suspensions often take place when there is no injury), I do agree with this. Had Kesler been hurt, I really don't think that the league would have had any choice but to suspend him, they would have been under such pressure. The fact that there was no injury made it a lot easier for the league to do what they did.

But what I honestly think (without trying to be a Pronger hating tool) is that the league though that if they were gonna hand out a suspension to Pronger, it would have had to be a fairly sizable one based on the precedent set in the Simon ordeal, which they were simply not willing to do. Thus, they played the "inconclusive" card and he got off scott free. Because seriously, to say "It was inconclusive, but we're gonna give him a game or two anyways" wouldn't make a lot of sense. Inversely, to say "Well, he did stomp on Kesler's calf, but we're only gonna give him a few games for it", after the Simon incident, wouldn't make a lot of sense easier. Needless to say, they chose Option 1.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.

[umredwing11 2]

I guess my problem with this incident is that the league appears to be giving Pronger the benefit of the doubt. I can understand being like, lets say it was Nick Lidstrom, the NHL office saying ohh well it was an accident--but Pronger's history does not support the idea that this was just an accident. Pronger has been suspended at least seven times in his career, all for short periods of time. So clearly he is not getting the memo. This was the league's opporunity to really discipline a career offender and prevent any future recklass plays, and nothing came from it. I hate this double standard in the league (how can one guy get suspended for 30 games and another guy get none, for the same action?). Like everyone else in here, I am really disappointed by the league's decision.

[Kira 451]

As I've always believed, there is a double standard. Pronger gets away with murder. If that would have been one of the Wings or anyone else, they would have had the book thrown at them. But he thinks he's better than anyone else, so he gets off scott free.

Karma can come back and kick you in the ass, Pronger. I hope it kicks you hard and often.

[RedFX 48]

It doesn't matter if he got hurt or not, the intent to injure was still there. There is definitely a double standard amongst the league towards its superstars. You put Scott Nichol or Jordin Tootoo in Pronger's spot and its a 15-20 game suspension.

[Salviaman 104]

So is Chris Pronger getting a fine, suspension, anything at all?

[umredwing11 2]

So is Chris Pronger getting a fine, suspension, anything at all?

He is receiving ZERO discipline from the league.

[Salviaman 104]

He is receiving ZERO discipline from the league.

Why the hell not? He pulled a Chris Simon....

[RedFX 48]

Why the hell not? He pulled a Chris Simon....

That's what we wanna know

[tommingthepuck96 1]

A 1mph puck barely hitting his prescious goalie at the buzzer shouldnt cause big tough guy pronger too go cause a huge brawl out of it. Its funny how pronger took that little incident seriouse from a small guy like hanzdus, but when boogauard fully checked giguerge into the boards not pronger or a single duck stuck up for him.

And lets not make a pronger thread into a "ZOMG GIGUERE HAS NO SKILL HIS PADS WON THE CUP FOR HIM AND HE HAS NO SKILL BECAUSE HE DOES NOT FLOP AROUND LIKE A FISH OUT OF WATER"

Actualley i said nothing about that, just that his pads aren't his size.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

...chris simon should grieve his 30 game suspension for his loss of pay. Same stomp, same intent, should be same suspension. Clear as day. Duck Guy I am disappointed in you. Did you want to see a severed artery before the league does something? If his artery was severed, this man could have died from loss of blood. Does the fact that, luckily, there was no injury, change that fact? It's not like Pronger fell and accdently stomp on him, he stomped on him on purpose, with intent to injure. But, just like most of the things Chris Pronger tries to do, he failed in his attempt. Someone should stomp on his face...

[Nev 1,085]

It was a 2 mph wrist shot that taped gigeres oversized pads right as the buzzer went off. Wow yeah pronger way too stick up for your team mates and show leadership by turning something small into such a big deal with someone who clearly is twice as small as he is.

Not only was it a gentle wrist shot, as the buzzer went, it was also from the blue line, and it missed the net!

Pronger then showed us all what a tough guy he was by waiting till Handzus was tied up by the refs along the boards before dropping the gloves and laying into a defenceless Handzus. Another big name on Pronger's fight card along with Dan Cleary and Jiri Slegr

As for the stomp....what a joke. So obvious. If it wasn't for Simon, the NHL would probly have given him (another) 1 game suspension. But because of Simon, if they found him guilty it would have had to be a similar long suspension, which left them with only 1 course of action - not guilty!