YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 (edited) How is that uninformed? I expressed an opinion about Downey's fighting abilities... It is an opinion from what I have seen. Wow... I cannot believe the responses from this forum. I signed up because I figured I would join a community of wings fans that can have a discussion. Why is everyone so freakin sensitive. No, you're not encountering sensitivity. You're encountering people with informed opinions. If you "call them as you see them" then you must not watch many games. Downey may not have won all his fights, but I can think of at least three distinct occasions - against McLaren, Parros, and Laperriere - where Downey was the distinct winner. I suggest you do some youtubing if you think a little 5 year old girl wouldnt be scared of a guy that can take down bona fide fighters like Lappy and Parros. In fact theres no doubt in my mind Downey would take down you, along with your little 5 year old.. Edited April 11, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Death2duder 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Because Downey hasn't lost a fight this season. All his fights have been wins or draws. As for McCarty, we all love him, but he's not a great enforcer at this point in his career. See... That is your opinion. A hockey fight is not boxing where a winner is declared at the end. It is subjective, there is nothing to be informed about. Now that we agree to disagree can we proceed with a discussion from this point forward? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skiing - Puck 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 I would rather keep McCarty... Although Downey gets into fights, I don't think I've ever seen him actually win one. I'm more scared of my 5 year old daughter than I would be of Downey. The sole purpose of McCarty and Downey is to keep the opposition from bullying around our stars. McCarty did a good job of that last game. Although he didn't get in a fight, he was the Preds face any time they started to get chippy. Keep Chelios... I'm all for experience on the blue line in the playoffs. Until Nashville starts skating circles around him he should stay in the line-up. I think Hartigan is doing fine but it wouldn't hurt the Wings to get Abdelkader some playoff time and see what he can do. While Downey does have the reputation of losing more fights than he wins, this season that is just not the case. This season Downey has gone through the season with an undefeated fight card. If you do not belive me than I would recomend you take a look at his fight card at dropyourgloves.com, maybe even watch a few of the fights and read some of the reveiws. Aaron Downey Fight Card Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 I'm more scared of my 5 year old daughter than I would be of Downey. Damn. Your daughter must be pretty beefy. What have you been feeding her? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Death2duder 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 No, you're not encountering sensitivity. You're encountering people with informed opinions. If you "call them as you see them" then you must not watch many games. Downey may not have won all his fights, but I can think of at least three distinct occasions - against McLaren, Parros, and Laperriere - where Downey was the distinct winner. I suggest you do some youtubing if you think a little 5 year old girl wouldnt be scared of a guy that can take down bona fide fighters like Lappy and Parros. In fact theres no doubt in my mind Downey would take down you, along with your little 5 year old.. Unbelievable, another instance of someone unable to pick up on sarcasm. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just stating an opinion. Obviously many on these threads can't handle it so I will congenially refrain from posting on this site. Despite the adolescent comments, i have been watching the wings for 20+ years, played hockey my whole life and still do. I just thought it would be fun to have discussions with other wings fans, but apparently that is not what this particular forum is about. Thank you and Go Wings!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Because Downey hasn't lost a fight this season. All his fights have been wins or draws. As for McCarty, we all love him, but he's not a great enforcer at this point in his career. I thought Boll and Davison might have gotten the decision over him. But for someone to say that Downey always hits the ice first is absurd. He beat Parros, Lappy, and Maclaren (as well as his last fight against Chicago, can't remember who it was, though) very convincinly, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Unbelievable, another instance of someone unable to pick up on sarcasm. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just stating an opinion. Obviously many on these threads can't handle it so I will congenially refrain from posting on this site. Despite the adolescent comments, i have been watching the wings for 20+ years, played hockey my whole life and still do. I just thought it would be fun to have discussions with other wings fans, but apparently that is not what this particular forum is about. Thank you and Go Wings!!! You realize that it's virtually impossible to pick up on emotions through reading someone's typed messages, right? That's why people will put something like (sarcasm) after a post if it's sarcastic. Opinions are fine, but to say that a player hasn't won a fight all year and always goes to the ice first would seem to indicate that you haven't watched them play much this year because your comment is simply untrue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 I know,I know,you never change a winning lineup.... ....but,I think we can improve on our performance with some tinkering for next game. Here are the changes I would make: 1) McCarty for Downey ...give us more energy and keep an eye on Tootoo 2)Hartigan for Abelkader...bigger,younger,faster.....still not sure why #44 is on this team 3) and the toughest one: Chelios for Lebda...I know he's the vet ,but he gave it away often and looked like a pylon at times out there (I'm not a big Lebda fan,but he can match the speed of the preds) Will Babs dare make changes? Would any of the Wings faithful? I would personally keep the lineup the same as the first game. 1. Mac and Downey is a wash. Either one is fine by me, but both aren't necessary. They essentially play the same role. 2. I am by no means a Hartigan fan, but he isn't doing anything to cost the Red Wings games. As long as Hartigan stays out of the penalty box, a fourth line role is fine. I think some people are getting carried away with Abdelkader. I liked his performance, so far, but it was only TWO games. He'll be a good player for the Red Wings down the road. Throwing him into the playoffs isn't the best idea at this point. 3. Hell no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Unbelievable, another instance of someone unable to pick up on sarcasm. I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just stating an opinion. Obviously many on these threads can't handle it so I will congenially refrain from posting on this site. Despite the adolescent comments, i have been watching the wings for 20+ years, played hockey my whole life and still do. I just thought it would be fun to have discussions with other wings fans, but apparently that is not what this particular forum is about. Thank you and Go Wings!!! Im not sure you understand sarcasm. Either that, or Im not sure you know how to pull it off, because not much in your post signaled sarcasm. Instead, you decide to attack the general users on this board. If you take a look around, youll see that the majority of the people on this board are VERY informed. Perhaps thats why youre finding so many people who are, as you put it, "sensitive." But you're right. Maybe that is the case. Maybe we are sensitive to ridiculous opinions as such. And why wouldn't we be? To say Downey hasn't won a fight all year is akin to me saying Zetterberg leeches off Datsyuk and wouldn't be able to pot 20 goals without him. That is an opinion, yes, but a ridiculous one. And it would likely incite a lot of commentary. I dont mean to be rude, but when you go around with "opinions" like those, that 98% of the hockey world wouldnt agree with, then yes you should be prepared for a rash of responses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Downey has stood up for this team all season long,and I think he deserved a few minutes in this game as appreciation by Babcock. McCarty is a walk up at the end of the season and is rewarded ? In the playoffs, its not about appreciation. Its about whos going to provide the best hockey. To me, I dont see much difference between Downey and Mac, other than that if Mac can get his NHL legs back, he could provide more in the way of an overall game than Downey. But regardless, Downey shouldnt earn a spot "in appreciation." Olaf Kolzig has done a ton for the Caps organization over the years, and if the playoffs were about appreciation, then hed sure as hell be starting. But this is a game where feelings are going to get hurt if you arent making the cut. Thats why youre gonna see Huet in net for the Caps. Not Olli. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings56 1 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 DAMN! death2dudler you are getting rocked for your second day at this forum, try coming with an intelligent take or opinion. All other LGW'ers are on you for your Downey take. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KDDRWINGS1 9 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Wow... I cannot believe the responses from this forum. I signed up because I figured I would join a community of wings fans that can have a discussion. Why is everyone so freakin sensitive. Welcome to LGW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hank=FutureCaptain Report post Posted April 11, 2008 See... That is your opinion. A hockey fight is not boxing where a winner is declared at the end. It is subjective Dude it's pretty obvious when a fighter wins, and when a fighter loses. Look up EVERY Downey fight this year, and then watch them all on youtube. He won almost every fight he was in. Or take a looksie at the hockeyfights.com voting percentages. According to the general hockey public, Downey didn't lose a fight this year. Open your eyes chump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dr_lobster 0 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 I don't want to get theoretical, but it's not even about "winning" a fight per se. More about sending a message that hey, if you're gonna be a cheap shot artist, tangle with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dobbles 252 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 picking up on sarcasm isn't hard when you have a functioning brain... i am sure the guy was serious that his daughter scared him more than downey... heck his first post about abdelkader was funny in my opinion but immediately got taken serously. its not his fault you guys don't have good senses of humor. i haven't been here a very long time and mostly just read instead of post, butits pretty easy to see you guys do get your panties in a bunch over most anything. heck, with the way you guys complain about the players i would think you were ducks fans half the time. the guy was just adding his opinion. if he thinks downey should sit, thats his opinion. apparently not too bad of an opinion considering he didn't play last night. btw, when was the last time a fight caused a goal or won a game? its the 'everyone else has an enforcer so we need one too' mentality that allowed them to survive after the lockout. theres nothing wrong with fighting in hockey. but when every fight is between the teams 2 thug enforcers, it really loses its luster. if your there only to fight, then its worthless. i would rather see an actual playerget pissed and fight. someone that might be missed for 5 minutes while in the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 I wouldn't make any changes except Abdelkader in for Hartigan. Chelios played amazing, and McCarty is ultimately better than Downey... Even though I love Downey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 The only lineup change I'd make is getting rid of that Zetterberg guy. He was plain awful last night. It's time to demote him so that Sammy can get some time on the 1st line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted April 11, 2008 Downey has lost every fight? Then who the hell have I put in my avator?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 picking up on sarcasm isn't hard when you have a functioning brain... i am sure the guy was serious that his daughter scared him more than downey... heck his first post about abdelkader was funny in my opinion but immediately got taken serously. its not his fault you guys don't have good senses of humor. i haven't been here a very long time and mostly just read instead of post, butits pretty easy to see you guys do get your panties in a bunch over most anything. heck, with the way you guys complain about the players i would think you were ducks fans half the time. the guy was just adding his opinion. if he thinks downey should sit, thats his opinion. apparently not too bad of an opinion considering he didn't play last night. btw, when was the last time a fight caused a goal or won a game? its the 'everyone else has an enforcer so we need one too' mentality that allowed them to survive after the lockout. theres nothing wrong with fighting in hockey. but when every fight is between the teams 2 thug enforcers, it really loses its luster. if your there only to fight, then its worthless. i would rather see an actual playerget pissed and fight. someone that might be missed for 5 minutes while in the box. If you read the posts, no one got their "panties in a bunch" because he said Downey should sit. Instead it was the stupid comment that Downey hasn't won a fight all year and that his 5 year old was more scary. You'll notice that youngguns and myself don't agree on who should play, yet we can do so in a civil manner because neither of us is saying something without basis. I think Downey should play because he brings more energy and has been with the team all year and he thinks Mac should play because he has a bigger upside. Those are legitimate, well-informed opinions. Now, saying that Downey shouldn't play because he hasn't won a fight all year is assinine. In response to your last comment, maybe you should think back to the last Anaheim game. The Ducks were up by one and were carrying play. Downey challenged and beat Parros. Momentum swung, Wings tied the game, and eventually lost due to a bulls*** goalie interference penalty on Homer. That fight completely changed how that game was played. btw, that fight was between "two thugs" as you call them and it directly influenced how the game was played. Or better yet, ask Z, or Lidstrom or any other Wing who has publicly stated how important it is to have a guy like Downey (or possibly Mac if he can get in shape) on the team. Anaheim dresses three guys who can fight well. Seems like they did pretty well last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 picking up on sarcasm isn't hard when you have a functioning brain... i am sure the guy was serious that his daughter scared him more than downey... heck his first post about abdelkader was funny in my opinion but immediately got taken serously. its not his fault you guys don't have good senses of humor. i haven't been here a very long time and mostly just read instead of post, butits pretty easy to see you guys do get your panties in a bunch over most anything. heck, with the way you guys complain about the players i would think you were ducks fans half the time. the guy was just adding his opinion. if he thinks downey should sit, thats his opinion. apparently not too bad of an opinion considering he didn't play last night. btw, when was the last time a fight caused a goal or won a game? its the 'everyone else has an enforcer so we need one too' mentality that allowed them to survive after the lockout. theres nothing wrong with fighting in hockey. but when every fight is between the teams 2 thug enforcers, it really loses its luster. if your there only to fight, then its worthless. i would rather see an actual playerget pissed and fight. someone that might be missed for 5 minutes while in the box. Saying his 5 year old daughter wouldn't be scared of Downey isn't sarcasm. Its hyperbole. But I guess it takes a "functioning brain" to figure that out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barabbas16 499 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 Downey has stood up for this team all season long,and I think he deserved a few minutes in this game as appreciation by Babcock. McCarty is a walk up at the end of the season and is rewarded ? Downey have played a total of 56 games in a Wings jersey. Darren McCarty has played over 700. Stood up for the team all season long? Ok, I will give you that (even though 56 games is not all season).....but that pales in comparison to ten seasons...3 Stanley Cups...and the vast playoff experience you get with Mac imo. There is no argument as far as 'deserves.' Downey has given nothing to this team when compared to Darren McCarty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 downey - drake - mccarty i want this. so that means what, for game two, sit Hartigan? i wish Babs would do it... i love mac, and am so glad to see him back, but downey deserves playing time as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elriqo28 2 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 I hope you're not serious. He's not a great fighter but he certainly won more than he lost this year and for his career. who's the judge on winning and losing a hockey fight...really? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 I would rather keep McCarty... Although Downey gets into fights, I don't think I've ever seen him actually win one. I'm more scared of my 5 year old daughter than I would be of Downey. Seriously? Are we already suffering from "noobs" that are this dumb? Didn't catch any Wings/Ducks games this year? If you didn't, then you're not a Wings fan, and if you did, then you're not a Wings fan for saying something so idiotic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted April 12, 2008 See... That is your opinion. A hockey fight is not boxing where a winner is declared at the end. It is subjective, there is nothing to be informed about. Now that we agree to disagree can we proceed with a discussion from this point forward? Wow, I really wish I hadn't read past page 1. It's too late to even try to educate anyone tonight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
