This Is Bida 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 That's fine if you don't like Ken Holland. I just don't understand though how you say that it is OK to blame everything on Holland when things go wrong, but you won't give him any credit when the Red Wings do succeed? How can it be both ways? Either he is responsible for both good and bad, or he isn't. Hindsight is 20/20 now with Hasek. It sure looks like a bad decision at the moment, but no one was complaining when Dom was superb in the first period of game two. It's puzzling how people can turn so fast on the team/players they root for. And you know what it is? Majority of these people (like LeftWinger) have either never played any type of competitive hockey in their life or played 'house' hockey and never fully understood the game. The defending Stanley Cup champions are down in the series 3-1. We are freaking TIED! The funny thing is people like LeftWinger think we should've already been eliminated except for a couple lucky bounces, yet they don't understand that a couple lucky bounces our way and Nashville would be hitting the tee's. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it, is LeftWinger is just like the majority of Wings fans. Typical, stupid, negative fans who, because the Wings lose a couple games thinks that the series is over and we're done. Everyone wants to win a Cup, yet what they don't realize is that in order to do that the team needs to go through some kind of adversity. And if thats what we're going through right now then so be it. But hey, who am I? Maybe I should take a page out of LeftWinger's book. After all, the Wings are such a horrid team. And what exactly has Holland done for us? Ever? Why not fire him! And Babcock too. Hell, lets just rebuild the team from scratch and not make the playoffs for some years to come. Than MAYBE some of these nonsense fans would actually be appreciative of our Wings. Here's an idea LeftWinger, instead of being your typical negative self, why don't you try SUPPORTING the team and staying positive. It's one thing to have doubts, everyone does. We can't win the Cup every year now, can we? But its a total different story to count them out of the playoffs. Sad thing is you actually have some valid points. The Wings need to get a little bit more physical while staying so skilled. Personally I really think that some northern american kids would do us good. Also I agree that sticking with Hasek was a bad idea. I'm not one of these fans who roots for someone when they're playing good and gets on their back when they're playing horrible. I never liked the idea of Hasek coming back. Yet you wanna give Howard a chance? Sorry, but I have a strong feeling that Howard is NOT our Carey Price or Ryan Miller and I'm pretty sure the Wings organization is realizing this. He'll get his chance next year, him and Ozzie will be our goalie. I'm sure you'll be happy cause Holland won't resign Hasek. But I'm sure after that you'll still have something about Holland to rag about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 I'm sure you'll be happy cause Holland won't resign Hasek. But I'm sure after that you'll still have something about Holland to rag about. Really? You've talked to Holland?? What else did he tell you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Really? You've talked to Holland?? What else did he tell you? that he is bringing back Sergei so that his curse is broken!!! Wings in 08/09!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 that he is bringing back Sergei so that his curse is broken!!! Wings in 08/09!!! works for me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 I don't think Babs really had a choice but to replace Dom. Throwing out personal bias, when your goaltender lets in 2 bad goals in 2 consecutive games that turn each game around in the manner that Dom did, you have no choice. Add in how listless just about everyone outside of Pav looked, it's really a no brainer. Someone asked if Dom would start the next series. Babs said something to the effect that this is Ozzie chance and they will see what he does with it. To me, that says as long as he doesn't blow it, he is the guy the rest of the way. Someone else said something about the last 2 Cup champs winning the Cup with a different goalie than they started with. Those changes were made due to an injury to Gerber, and Giggy taking time off to be with his family during his sons eye surgery. Not exactly the same situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Also I agree that sticking with Hasek was a bad idea. Babcock had to stick with Dom for game 4. If he didn't it would have create a lot of uncertainty in the players minds. HE had to prove that he believed in Dom, and just because he had one bad game he didn't lose faith. Dom had to start game 4, no questions. (Personally, I thought he would get the nod for game 5 as well, but I can't say I was sad when I heard he wasn't.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Good luck, Oz. Go Wings, Go! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
This Is Bida 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Really? You've talked to Holland?? What else did he tell you? No, I'm sorry, thats definitely not what I meant. I meant that I'm sure he'll be happy if Holland doesnt resign Hasek but then even if thats the case he'll still have something to be negative about with Holland. I definitely mistyped what I meant, but I'm just getting tired of all these negative fans with zero knowledge for the game of hockey. I'm sure you could tell by the rest of my post that I was far from assuming anything of our future players. (except Howard, but thats personal opinion that I don't think he'll be our next great goalie). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 (edited) And you know what it is? Majority of these people (like LeftWinger) have either never played any type of competitive hockey in their life or played 'house' hockey and never fully understood the game. The defending Stanley Cup champions are down in the series 3-1. We are freaking TIED! The funny thing is people like LeftWinger think we should've already been eliminated except for a couple lucky bounces, yet they don't understand that a couple lucky bounces our way and Nashville would be hitting the tee's. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it, is LeftWinger is just like the majority of Wings fans. Typical, stupid, negative fans who, because the Wings lose a couple games thinks that the series is over and we're done. Everyone wants to win a Cup, yet what they don't realize is that in order to do that the team needs to go through some kind of adversity. And if thats what we're going through right now then so be it. But hey, who am I? Maybe I should take a page out of LeftWinger's book. After all, the Wings are such a horrid team. And what exactly has Holland done for us? Ever? Why not fire him! And Babcock too. Hell, lets just rebuild the team from scratch and not make the playoffs for some years to come. Than MAYBE some of these nonsense fans would actually be appreciative of our Wings. Here's an idea LeftWinger, instead of being your typical negative self, why don't you try SUPPORTING the team and staying positive. It's one thing to have doubts, everyone does. We can't win the Cup every year now, can we? But its a total different story to count them out of the playoffs. Sad thing is you actually have some valid points. The Wings need to get a little bit more physical while staying so skilled. Personally I really think that some northern american kids would do us good. Also I agree that sticking with Hasek was a bad idea. I'm not one of these fans who roots for someone when they're playing good and gets on their back when they're playing horrible. I never liked the idea of Hasek coming back. Yet you wanna give Howard a chance? Sorry, but I have a strong feeling that Howard is NOT our Carey Price or Ryan Miller and I'm pretty sure the Wings organization is realizing this. He'll get his chance next year, him and Ozzie will be our goalie. I'm sure you'll be happy cause Holland won't resign Hasek. But I'm sure after that you'll still have something about Holland to rag about. Great post! Edited April 18, 2008 by GoWings1905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaldean 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 (edited) It will be Osgood's first playoff start since 2004 with St. Louis, his first postseason start for the Wings since April 23, 2001, vs. Los Angeles. Wow, I can't believe its been that long. May how time flies by.. Edited April 18, 2008 by Chaldean Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Must Kill 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 (edited) i was very happy to come in and see ozzy will be in net friday night, this could be the factor we need to steal away the series again. Win game 5 and end them on their own ice. Then whats this talk about blaming Holand for the wings losing. Last time i checked holland wasnt on the ice for any of the playoffs. EDIT Edited April 18, 2008 by Must Kill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Really? You've talked to Holland?? What else did he tell you? That he's petitioning the NHL to have Dom Basil Pocklington'ed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nero 20 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 I'm really looking forward to this. Osgood has a good record against Nashville, and Nashville has Hasek's number. Put in a new goalie who they don't know the kinks to, and we've got a couple wins for Detroit. Let's hope it works Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 And you know what it is? Majority of these people (like LeftWinger) have either never played any type of competitive hockey in their life or played 'house' hockey and never fully understood the game. The defending Stanley Cup champions are down in the series 3-1. We are freaking TIED! The funny thing is people like LeftWinger think we should've already been eliminated except for a couple lucky bounces, yet they don't understand that a couple lucky bounces our way and Nashville would be hitting the tee's. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it, is LeftWinger is just like the majority of Wings fans. Typical, stupid, negative fans who, because the Wings lose a couple games thinks that the series is over and we're done. Everyone wants to win a Cup, yet what they don't realize is that in order to do that the team needs to go through some kind of adversity. And if thats what we're going through right now then so be it. But hey, who am I? Maybe I should take a page out of LeftWinger's book. After all, the Wings are such a horrid team. And what exactly has Holland done for us? Ever? Why not fire him! And Babcock too. Hell, lets just rebuild the team from scratch and not make the playoffs for some years to come. Than MAYBE some of these nonsense fans would actually be appreciative of our Wings. Here's an idea LeftWinger, instead of being your typical negative self, why don't you try SUPPORTING the team and staying positive. It's one thing to have doubts, everyone does. We can't win the Cup every year now, can we? But its a total different story to count them out of the playoffs. Sad thing is you actually have some valid points. The Wings need to get a little bit more physical while staying so skilled. Personally I really think that some northern american kids would do us good. Also I agree that sticking with Hasek was a bad idea. I'm not one of these fans who roots for someone when they're playing good and gets on their back when they're playing horrible. I never liked the idea of Hasek coming back. Yet you wanna give Howard a chance? Sorry, but I have a strong feeling that Howard is NOT our Carey Price or Ryan Miller and I'm pretty sure the Wings organization is realizing this. He'll get his chance next year, him and Ozzie will be our goalie. I'm sure you'll be happy cause Holland won't resign Hasek. But I'm sure after that you'll still have something about Holland to rag about. Next time save your fingers the effort, read my sig and realize he handed in his "Red Wings" card as he called it. He is a die easy fair weather fan who bailed on his team BECAUSE THEY DIDN"T SIGN FEDOROV!!! Now he is just trolling! Calling himself a Die Hard Wings fan when in actuality he posts things like, I can't wait until the wings get beat in the first or I hope they make it to the WCF so Feds can s*** on them. So I would just save yourself the frustration and ignore him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 oh, Mac... OK, if you say so. I guess all the hundreds of posts exulting over Hasek's ouster were my imagination, then. YOU are not singling him out. Well, you, me and 10 others here. At least people didn't blame Lebda last night, but I think someone still ragged on Lilja for not being far enough away from the ice as a healthy scratch. j/k I meant no one on the team....not no one at LGW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 That he's petitioning the NHL to have Dom Basil Pocklington'ed. oddly, not only would a lot of people here like that, they would think it was appropriate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 I guess the guy must've missed Dom's last 3 Games, eh? If the Wings are 50/50 with THAT kind of goaltending display, I'd say they stand at LEAST that much of a chance with Chris between the pipes. I think you misunderstood the quote. They said that with Oz between the pipes theres a zero percent chance that the Wings will lose, not win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 I think you misunderstood the quote. They said that with Oz between the pipes theres a zero percent chance that the Wings will lose, not win. They are bold...If Ozzie guarentees Victory He should be paid a little bit more... In all seriousness, I hope he can hold the fort,, and I hope the Wings play like they mean it tonight and win it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 They are bold...If Ozzie guarentees Victory He should be paid a little bit more... In all seriousness, I hope he can hold the fort,, and I hope the Wings play like they mean it tonight and win it... Yeah, but they also don't know much about hockey so I take it with a grain of salt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Yeah, but they also don't know much about hockey so I take it with a grain of salt. Oh that brightened my day NFM... I am worried about tonights game and this lightened my mood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statiklullaby87 0 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 ...bet you still believe a 757 hit the pentagon. I like the Wings, hate Ken Holland. I will NEVER give him credit, for he is an idiot. I will root for the Wings to win it all, but they cannot do it if Ken Holland doesn't give them what they need and it looks like $4MM to Hasek is the perfect example of wasting money on useless commodities, hopefully Ozzie can turn that around, but they have to find a way to keep up with Nashville's speed and intensity. I am afraid they can't though... Leftwinger = Giant Douchebag LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 ...Sure glad Holland paid Hasek $4MM dollars to come back!!! HA! HA! HA! Not that it's gonna make a difference now with Ozzie in goal, they've lost. After watching EVERY minute of all four games, if not for a couple of good bounces, the Wings would have been swept by now. Played like crap, will continue to play like crap, get eliminated in the first round and then you can all "believe" Holland when he says he will address size and secondary scoring on July 1st... ...BTW, Hasek BETTER not be back next year. Osgood and Howard better split the first half of the season and then Howard should be the #1 for the second half into the playoffs. It's time to stop throwing money away on Hasek and the like. It's time for Howard to step in and whether he suceeds of fails, it's his time to be in Detroit, give him his shot! Holland should (but probably won't) spend his money on size and scoring and give Osgood/Howard the reigns next year... Didn't I already read this exact same quote from you before. I swear to god, I've read this exact comment from you in another Holland Bashing thread. Did you copy & paste? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 Yeah those 27 wins weren't worth a penny, wait lets do some math and figure out what he got paid per win 4,000,000 / 27 = 148,148.14 Now that is not a bad price, considering 5,300,000 / 30 = 176,666.66 for Vokoun and Florida didn't make the post season! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 I think we can safely assume that Hasek is done. The local pundits and most fans are dancing on his grave in Detroit. Drew Sharp Wojo Both writers assume that the Wings will go with Ozzie from now on out, and I agree that is what they are going to do, too. Not that it's necessarily the right thing or the wrong thing... but don't expect to see Dom back on the ice for the Wings again. I am sure Dom knows this, too. But he will be ready if needed, I am sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted April 18, 2008 The thing that I think made this decision hard for Babs and Co, as well as a guy like Ozzie (who is a good teammate type of guy) is that everyone understands that this is probably Dom's last Rodeo. They wanted to make it as graceful an exit as possible. And if this was the regular season, Dom would still get ice, as we all know this is the post season, and it is all about win baby! I think Babs had 100% confidence in Dom going in, and I am not saying he started him because he felt bad or because it was his last dance, but I think he, as well as us, saw a Dom that just isn't sharp enough for the post season right now. I don't blame that on Dom, and I am not saying Dom sucks, but...... His groin is not what it was, and the fact that he had the flu and all the other ailments at the end of the season are impeding him. I would have loved to see Dom hoist the cup (as the starter), but if it happens with Ozzie I will be just as happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
