Lindsay on Vladdy

[eva unit zero 271]

Eva you kind of amaze me at times. Tell the truth, are you really a computer? You seem to know all facts about hockey and even legal matters.

The truth? I was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome in the mid 1980s. Follow the link for ome more information on that.

[Datsyerberger 279]

The truth? I was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome in the mid 1980s. Follow the link for ome more information on that.

That explains a lot to me, actually. For those not in the know, it's sorta like autism but without some of the worst parts of it. It's also highly related to ADHD, which I happen to have.. and I tend to do a lot of the same sort of things as eva is renowned for around here. Fortunately, eva gets to it all first and that allows me to be lazy

[seeinred 1,488]

The truth? I was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome in the mid 1980s. Follow the link for ome more information on that.

I went to high school with 2 people with Asperger Syndrome, and both of their "repetitive interests" were hockey. Neither one of them could hold a candle to your knowledge though.

[Doggy 130]

The best Russian defenseman, possibly the best Russian to play NHL. Awesome player. Man, I miss him.

[Reds4Life 51]

The best Russian defenseman, possibly the best Russian to play NHL. Awesome player. Man, I miss him.

Slava Fetisov is the best Russian defenseman ever. No doubt.

When he came to NHL he was past his prime and still was solid dman.

Vladdy Konstantinov would probably win Norris, or two..

He was a beast, noone could deliver crushing hits like him, Vladdy was also great puck mover and good offensively..I miss him a lot .. just imagine we still had Lidstrom - Konstantinov pair..

[WingsForever 2]

I recently moved to Findlay, OH. When i found out the dealer that may have had something to do with Vladdy's accident I asked some friends about the dealership.

I guess the owners (Family owned for like the last ump-teen years) are pricks and rich pompous people.

I might go throw an octopus on their lot.

[Doggy 130]

Slava Fetisov is the best Russian defenseman ever. No doubt.

When he came to NHL he was past his prime and still was solid dman.

Vladdy Konstantinov would probably win Norris, or two..

He was a beast, noone could deliver crushing hits like him, Vladdy was also great puck mover and good offensively..I miss him a lot .. just imagine we still had Lidstrom - Konstantinov pair..

Sorry that was really not what I meant, stupid comment. He probably would've been the greatest. Given more time that is. Even with his short career, he's still up there.

[interminded 1]

Vladdy was an great defenseman in terms of physical, dynamical play and on-ice-presence.

But as much as I love and respect the man, personally I don't think he was the greatest at his position.

I understand if people tend to give him more credit because of the tragedy that happened to him, but that's not fair to him.

No one knows what would, should or could have.

We all remember Vladdy as this enormous beast who wore the Red Wing with pride and was feared among all players around the league.

let's not tarnish that image with a discussion how good he actually was... cause we probably will never know.

[gowingsgo 3]

Vlady was a Norris finalist with Nick back then. I truly feel we missed a Cup or two without him back there. He potentially could still be playing. I loved watching Vlady.

[travis08 3]

Then you need to try thinking again, because you are wrong. The manufacturer is NOT being sued. Ford is not being sued. A Ford DEALER is being sued. The argument is that Findlay FLM is liable because they provided the vehicle for modification when it was turned into a limousine, and they failed to ensure that the seat belts in the rear compartment were properly accessible and functioned correctly. If this is proven to be the case, Findlay FLM is absolutely liable for any injury resulting from the defect of modification if it can be shown that they could have caught the error and thusly had the vehicle fixed or replaced, ensuring safety of the occupants could be preserved.

Actually they settled with Ford Motor Company, so they did try to sue them too. BTW have you ever been in a Limo? You ever worn your seatbelt in one?

Even if the thing didn't have seatbelts it is the fault of the Limo company for using it in their fleet, not a Ford Dealer. Or how about this novel idea, if you think a car is unsafe to be in, don't drive around in it.

[toby91_ca 620]

Lidstrom is generally accepted as one of the all-time greats. Many on this board rank him as a no-brainer for #2. That he is in the top five is without question.

Konstantinov was better than Lidstrom at the time of his accident, and is the same age. He was the best in the world, and getting better. His conditioning was, and is still, phenomenal. It's quite possible that Vladdy would be the owner of eight or nine consecutive Norris trophies had he not been in that limo. That is a pretty compelling argument to be considered to have 'potential to have been the greatest of all-time.'

Konstantinov was "one of the best" at the time of the accident, not sure I would call him the best. He was also 30 years old at the time of the accident, I think it is pretty far fetched and, at a minimum, way too speculative to even suggest he could have won 8 or 9 consecutive Norris trophies seeing as at that point in time, he had zero. Pretty doubtful he'd string off 8 or 9 in a row between the ages of 31-40.

He's not the same age a Lidstrom, he's 3 years older and I think his level of play would have dropped quicker than Lidstrom just due to style of play.

Edited May 13, 2008 by toby91_ca

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Slava Fetisov is the best Russian defenseman ever. No doubt.

When he came to NHL he was past his prime and still was solid dman.

Vladdy Konstantinov would probably win Norris, or two..

He was a beast, noone could deliver crushing hits like him, Vladdy was also great puck mover and good offensively..I miss him a lot .. just imagine we still had Lidstrom - Konstantinov pair..

You're forgetting Bykov.

[Opie 308]

You're forgetting Bykov.

Yes but you are forgetting maxim kuznetsov!!!!

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Yes but you are forgetting maxim kuznetsov!!!!

But you're omitting Yan Golubovsky.

I dare you to outdo that name.

Edited May 13, 2008 by GMRwings1983

[Opie 308]

But you're omitting Yan Golubovsky.

I dare you to outdo that name.

I bow down, that was damn impressive, the only time I ever heard that name was NHL 98 or whatever year it was!!!!

Edited May 13, 2008 by Opie

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I bow down, that was damn impressive, the only time I ever heard that name was NHL 98 or whatever year it was!!!!

It was NHL 2000, and I remember that he was actually decent in that game.

I guess the game's makers assumed that because of his size, he must be a big physical checker or something.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Konstantinov was "one of the best" at the time of the accident, not sure I would call him the best. We was also 30 years old at the time of the accident, I think it is pretty far fetched and at a minimum way too speculative to even suggest he could have won 8 or 9 consecutive Norris trophies, seeing as at that point in time, he had zero. Pretty doubtful he'd string off 8 or 9 in a row between the ages of 31-40.

He's not the same age a Lidstrom, he's 3 years older and I think his level of play would have dropped quicker than Lidstrom just due to style of play.

Agree with this. Vladdy's 41, Lidstrom's 38, and I strongly doubt given Vladdy's style of play that he'd have played much beyond 35 or 36. 8 or 9 consecutive Norrises? No. Maybe a couple. Maybe.

[high_stick69 7]

Right before the Wings won the cup, Vladdy was on the cover of sports illustrated. NOT NICK... VLADDY! He was my favorite Wing at the time of the accident. Damn shame what happened. It really put a bittersweet touch on the euphoria of winning the cup.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

But you're omitting Yan Golubovsky.

I dare you to outdo that name.

Funny you bring up his name, I was watching OTR on TSN the other day and Wade Belak was on, and turns out we decided to draft Golubovsky instead of Belak that year. Jimmy D was also on and said if he could've done it over he would've taken Belak. Go figure.

[deker 0]

Funny you bring up his name, I was watching OTR on TSN the other day and Wade Belak was on, and turns out we decided to draft Golubovsky instead of Belak that year. Jimmy D was also on and said if he could've done it over he would've taken Belak. Go figure.

Belak...Golubovsky...6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other! Belak wouldn't have made the Wings either. He's only a "name" because Toronto fans deify mediocre players all the time. In fact, Toronto fans actually got on his @ss for his shortcomings! That's an achievement right there!

I do think Lindsay took a few liberties with his statements. I'm not sure his "Guys like him (Gnida) should be shot" comment are really going to help the cause. Of course, I can't say I totally disagree with that statement, but you gotta make it a bit more palatable for a court situation.

Vladdy was a great D-Man and a total physical specimen. Remember when he was playing tennis in the off season and ripped a ligament...but still recovered and played most of the season? I don't think Vladdy would have won Norris Trophies because voting is biased toward offensive defensemen, but he would certainly be mentioned in the same breath as Scott Stevens for his play.

Edited May 13, 2008 by deker

[egroen 384]

Lidstrom is generally accepted as one of the all-time greats. Many on this board rank him as a no-brainer for #2. That he is in the top five is without question.

To think of Lidstrom as #2 all-time is silly, but I know it happens all the time with Wings fans (many think of him as the best ever).

I have Lidstrom in the Top 5, but many do not. The top 4 are pretty locked up at:

Orr

Shore

Harvey

Bourque

After that you have Lidstrom, Potvin, Kelly, Robinson, Park, Chelios and Fetisov to round out the top ten.

Especially after this year, another Norris, another great playoff performance (heck, maybe even a cup as captain) and I think he emerges from that second group of defencemen as the leader for #5.

Edited May 13, 2008 by egroen

[Opie 308]

To think of Lidstrom as #2 all-time is silly, but I know it happens all the time with Wings fans (many think of him as the best ever).

I have Lidstrom in the Top 5, but many do not. The top 4 are pretty locked up at:

Orr

Shore

Harvey

Bourque

After that you have Lidstrom, Potvin, Kelly, Robinson, Park, Chelios and Fetisov to round out the top ten.

Especially after this year, another Norris, another great playoff performance (heck, maybe even a cup as captain) and I think he emerges from that second group of defencemen as the leader for #5.

IF the Wings win it all this year he vaults himself to #2 in my book, right now I have him ahead of Bourque behind Harvey and Shore. But if he wins another Norris (Pretty much a shoe in) and is the first Euro to lead his team to the cup (on the way) to me he would be 2nd all time!

[betterREDthandead 58]

To think of Lidstrom as #2 all-time is silly, but I know it happens all the time with Wings fans (many think of him as the best ever).

I have Lidstrom in the Top 5, but many do not. The top 4 are pretty locked up at:

Orr

Shore

Harvey

Bourque

After that you have Lidstrom, Potvin, Kelly, Robinson, Park, Chelios and Fetisov to round out the top ten.

Especially after this year, another Norris, another great playoff performance (heck, maybe even a cup as captain) and I think he emerges from that second group of defencemen as the leader for #5.

It's so hard to compare players from such different generations, but I hardly think it's such a guarantee that Shore and Harvey automatically rate better than Lidstrom. (I'll give you Orr and Bourque.) But especially Shore. Sure, he dominated the league in his time. But so is Lidstrom - and Lidstrom is playing longer, and has a much MUCH larger league to dominate. Much harder to stand above the crowd in a league of 30 teams, 25 players each, than it is in a league of 10 teams, maybe 16 players each. Lidstrom has more Cups too - again, despite the much larger league.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

It's so hard to compare players from such different generations, but I hardly think it's such a guarantee that Shore and Harvey automatically rate better than Lidstrom. (I'll give you Orr and Bourque.) But especially Shore. Sure, he dominated the league in his time. But so is Lidstrom - and Lidstrom is playing longer, and has a much MUCH larger league to dominate. Much harder to stand above the crowd in a league of 30 teams, 25 players each, than it is in a league of 10 teams, maybe 16 players each. Lidstrom has more Cups too - again, despite the much larger league.

I agree. Lidstrom in number 3 right now behind Orr and Harvey. No way Shore should be up there. Those players that played in the first half of the century did influence the game greatly, but to put them in the top 10 or top 5 on any list is just silly.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

How about setting govenors on all autos so they won't reach 25 mph - that'll drastically reduce the chances of serious injuries/death?

I agree with ya on holding a manufacturer responsible in some instances, but it's getting downright silly how 'sue happy' this nation has become

You're talking to the wrong guy, since I happen to be an ambulance chaser.

As if I'm not hated enough around here, right?