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This is complete trash. I don't disagree with the article because of the conclusions themselves, but because of the blatant anti-wings sentiment of Burnside. Regardless of how credible any of the three are, it just kills it for me. I'm a sports broadcaster for a local college football team, and the first thing you have to realize is that you MUST remain impartial, or risk losing your credibility.

That in short is my problem with ESPN's coverage of hockey. It's one of the major 4 sports and they still won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Used to be covered by ABC, but no more, and that's because they don't see the money in it. That's fine, and it's their choice, but to wheel out your pet analysts to pat the Pens on the back with statements that are not only undefendable with fact, but to go so far as to give these morons a national stage with which to do so is just plain retarded.

Burnside has picked the Wings in the past.

Just because somebody doesn't pick the Wings to win means that they lose all credibility.

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Burnside has picked the Wings in the past.

Just because somebody doesn't pick the Wings to win means that they lose all credibility.

For me, saying the Pens have the edge defensively means he loses credibility.

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For me, saying the Pens have the edge defensively means he loses credibility.

That's fine, I too think the Wings defense is better, but it is his opinion, and he is a knowledgable man about the sport. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be a sports journalist. Disagreeing with him over his picks is one thing. Saying he is an absolute moron because he picked against the Wings and is trying to give credit to the Penguins defense which is pretty good, is going a bit overboard in here.

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That's fine, I too think the Wings defense is better, but it is his opinion, and he is a knowledgable man about the sport. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be a sports journalist. Disagreeing with him over his picks is one thing. Saying he is an absolute moron because he picked against the Wings and is trying to give credit to the Penguins defense which is pretty good, is going a bit overboard in here.

Meh, it happens all the time. Wings fans don't seem to like journalists unless they're blowing us.

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I'm all for analysts trying to break things down more closely, but a better team defense? How many forwards on the Wings can we legitimately list as defensive liabilities? McCarty, Sammy, uh... yeah. Everyone else either hits or plays average or better defense. The same can't be said for Malkin & Co., methinks.

Samuelsson isn't a defensive liability.

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Burnside has picked the Wings in the past.

Just because somebody doesn't pick the Wings to win means that they lose all credibility.

That's not my point, it's irrelevant to me whether he picks the wings or not. If he had said he hoped we would tear them a new one and destroy their mascot it would mean the same thing- He's biased and I have no confidence in him or the network he works for. It's one thing to believe a team is going to win, but when you show yourself as an advocate of one team over the other it speaks of nothing but a lack of impartiality and unprofessionalism.

On the other hand, I have no problem with Melrose saying he just wants to see a 7 game series where the stars of the teams are showcased. That's professional and I can respect it. I can't respect a sports anchor who shows favoritism for any one team over another, whether it's the wings or anyone else. That's what communities like this are for, not mainstream sports news programs.

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They're no worse than they were when ABC was hosting them, and any american sports outlet wouldn't really be any better. Unfortunately, the reality is that we'd rather see flashy opinionated assholes like Jim Rome than hear from people who aren't as photogenic, but actually know what they're talking about.

Case in point, ESPN's football coverage. Tons of opinion, but very little in the way of actually knowing what the hell they're talking about. Most of these guys are talking heads following the company line, which in the case of the NHL would be nothing more than a bunch of Crosby worshipping bandwagon jumpers of the sort that talked the Patriots up all year, and jumped ship when they lost the Super Bowl to talk about how they're cheaters.

I'll just say my little piece again, ESPN is garbage, has always been garbage, and will always be garbage. I want them nowhere near my beloved Hockey, since they've already ruined College Football.

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Oh I'm sure they will be back to cover your beloved hockey some day. Live with it or move closer to Canada.

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Oh I'm sure they will be back to cover your beloved hockey some day. Live with it or move closer to Canada.

I'm in Milwaukee, so I can get CBC or TSN if I pay for it, unfortunately it's just too expensive. I do, however, highly doubt that they will ever pay a cantract to the league to cover games again. ESPN is much like MTV, they used to do only sports coverage, now it's just talking heads spouting opinions on every useless half hour show they can come up with, that or the same sportscenter episode 15 times per day.

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Disagreeing with him over his picks is one thing. Saying he is an absolute moron because he picked against the Wings and is trying to give credit to the Penguins defense which is pretty good, is going a bit overboard in here.

Am I allowed to think he's a moron after publishing his wet dream of the Pens smashing our octupus with their sticks? Lack of objectivity = moron. Sorry.

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Am I allowed to think he's a moron after publishing his wet dream of the Pens smashing our octupus with their sticks? Lack of objectivity = moron. Sorry.

No opinions allowed!

Facts, & facts ONLY :ph34r:

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No opinions allowed!

Facts, & facts ONLY :ph34r:

Ok then, how about this: Burnside should not have published his fantasy about the Pens trashing our octo-mascot. ESPN shouldn't have allowed him to. They are, at best, temporary douches.

And it has nothing to do with him picking the Pens to win. That just makes him dumb. ;)

*edit- OMG, I spell like a dyslexic retard...

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Sooo... he said we have the better defenseman, right?

But said we don't have the better overall TEAM defense.

I'm sorry, how many Penguins are up for the Selke award?

Yea, that makes COMPLETE sense! Considering Crosby and Malkin won't even touch the ICE during a PK, that can't say too much for your TEAM DEFENSE.

Other than that, I didn't think the article was HORRID! I mean, obviously this Burnside guy hates Detroit. So what. Hell, even Melrose had some good points and seemed to favor Detroit. Really, if you take away Burnsides horribly stupid comments, its not bad.

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That's not my point, it's irrelevant to me whether he picks the wings or not. If he had said he hoped we would tear them a new one and destroy their mascot it would mean the same thing- He's biased and I have no confidence in him or the network he works for. It's one thing to believe a team is going to win, but when you show yourself as an advocate of one team over the other it speaks of nothing but a lack of impartiality and unprofessionalism.

On the other hand, I have no problem with Melrose saying he just wants to see a 7 game series where the stars of the teams are showcased. That's professional and I can respect it. I can't respect a sports anchor who shows favoritism for any one team over another, whether it's the wings or anyone else. That's what communities like this are for, not mainstream sports news programs.

When broadcasting a game for 3 hours or giving post-game analysis for 30 minutes to an hour, you can only talk about so much. It is almost impossible not to say anything where your fan base claims "BIAS FOR THE OTHER TEAM" or "YOU HATE MY TEAM YOU FOOOOOOL!". And fans of the other team can make a similar claim for an analyst saying something in a different part of the game or analyzing to where he or she is actually favoring our team.

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Am I allowed to think he's a moron after publishing his wet dream of the Pens smashing our octupus with their sticks? Lack of objectivity = moron. Sorry.

Sure, but to call him a moron is pretty far out there when he's a pretty well-established professional journalist. Seems to me when you are a journalist, you're not that much of a moron.

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They've covered hockey for a long time.

If you consider those pathetic excuse for highlights (about two 5-second clips), followed by a 10 minute rant on how much the NHL and hockey sucks, then yes, I guess they do cover hockey.

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If you consider those pathetic excuse for highlights (about two 5-second clips), followed by a 10 minute rant on how much the NHL and hockey sucks, then yes, I guess they do cover hockey.

Sadly, I believe he agrees with that statement.

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Sure, but to call him a moron is pretty far out there when he's a pretty well-established professional journalist. Seems to me when you are a journalist, you're not that much of a moron.

You do understand how sports fan cultures work, right? You might as well be barging into kindergarten classes and yelling, "FARTING IS NOT REALLY THAT FUNNY, KIDS."

Lighten. Up.

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Sure, but to call him a moron is pretty far out there when he's a pretty well-established professional journalist. Seems to me when you are a journalist, you're not that much of a moron.

As you mentioned before, any analyst that comes out thinking the Pens will win is being marked a moron out of the gate by the Wings fans. While its ok to disagree, and even point out the analyst was wrong after the series is over and your team has won is fine. I just don't agree with the blatant flaming either, but I guess we are in the minority.

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As you mentioned before, any analyst that comes out thinking the Pens will win is being marked a moron out of the gate by the Wings fans. While its ok to disagree, and even point out the analyst was wrong after the series is over and your team has won is fine. I just don't agree with the blatant flaming either, but I guess we are in the minority.

It's true that in a lot of cases Wing's fans jump all over anyone who doesn't put their team on a pedestal. I'm not going to go ahead and make a personal statement like Burnside is a moron as a person but to even say that the Pens defense is comparable, much less better than the Wings is a moronic statement. This crap about us having the best defensemen but them having better team defense? WTF??!!! Because all our talented guys are tripping over each other instead of making plays or something. If the Wings defense right now isn't the very definition of team defense then I don't know what the hell is. Not only do they consistently make the plays but they seem to always know where there teammates are so they can make the quick pass out of trouble. The Pens defensive had a hard time just getting the puck out of their zone because their offense take off up ice and abandons them. That is NOT team defense and if they don't improve in this area more than any other their season is done in a hurry.

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It's true that in a lot of cases Wing's fans jump all over anyone who doesn't put their team on a pedestal. I'm not going to go ahead and make a personal statement like Burnside is a moron as a person but to even say that the Pens defense is comparable, much less better than the Wings is a moronic statement. This crap about us having the best defensemen but them having better team defense? WTF??!!! Because all our talented guys are tripping over each other instead of making plays or something. If the Wings defense right now isn't the very definition of team defense then I don't know what the hell is. Not only do they consistently make the plays but they seem to always know where there teammates are so they can make the quick pass out of trouble. The Pens defensive had a hard time just getting the puck out of their zone because their offense take off up ice and abandons them. That is NOT team defense and if they don't improve in this area more than any other their season is done in a hurry.

Careful -- you might hurt Burnside's feelings.

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You do understand how sports fan cultures work, right? You might as well be barging into kindergarten classes and yelling, "FARTING IS NOT REALLY THAT FUNNY, KIDS."

Lighten. Up.

I understand fully. If you don't like me commenting on such things and on how I think it is ridiculous to call somebody an idiot or 17 other different explicitives because he doesn't pick the Red Wings or actually tries to give the other team playing the Wings some kudos, well then that's your tough luck, sorry. I'm sure you didn't like when people flamed you for not liking what Ken Holland did over the trading deadline, but that certainly didn't hold you back did it? I guess we should've lightened up then?

And farting is quite fun sometimes too.

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When broadcasting a game for 3 hours or giving post-game analysis for 30 minutes to an hour, you can only talk about so much. It is almost impossible not to say anything where your fan base claims "BIAS FOR THE OTHER TEAM" or "YOU HATE MY TEAM YOU FOOOOOOL!". And fans of the other team can make a similar claim for an analyst saying something in a different part of the game or analyzing to where he or she is actually favoring our team.

I agree when you're talking about a color comentator during a game, I know first hand how difficult it is to fill up the odd spots with relevant facts and figures, but this isn't commentary, it's a column on the website. They don't cover hockey games, and they don't have any broadcasters calling the games. I get your point of view, but I disagree. Burnside has picked the wings in the past and that's great. I'm a huge wings fan, but I can take criticism of the team from an expert or analyst when they make sense. His comments aren't rational, and are not based in fact. If you're a professional I think it behooves one to behave like one.

For the record I agree with you to a certain extent. I get frustrated at blind homerism sometimes as well, but I don't want to see it in a so called sports news outlet.

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I understand fully. If you don't like me commenting on such things and on how I think it is ridiculous to call somebody an idiot or 17 other different explicitives because he doesn't pick the Red Wings or actually tries to give the other team playing the Wings some kudos, well then that's your tough luck, sorry. I'm sure you didn't like when people flamed you for not liking what Ken Holland did over the trading deadline, but that certainly didn't hold you back did it? I guess we should've lightened up then?

And farting is quite fun sometimes too.

I'm not saying I agree with calling Burnside a moron. If anything, I'm just trying to save you time, as you're fighting a completely futile, misguided battle in trying to teaching hockey fans manners on an Internet message board.

But if you like truisms and such so much, have at it. I won't get in your way.

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