Most Overrated/Underrated Red Wing?

[Real1 2]

I have to say the thae most underrated player has to be Helm. He works his ass off every shift and rarely gets noticed for it. I have to say that the most overrated player on the Wings has to be Hasek. Yes he was good back in his prime, but everyone still says that he is great. He can't perfom when the time counts.

These are my thoughts, what are yours?

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Do you mean underrated/overrated on LGW, or around the NHL, because that's two completely different things?

[Shaman 713]

Hmm, no ones really overrated, our team is on the whole, underrated.

[VM1138 1,921]

Hmm, no ones really overrated, our team is on the whole, underrated.

Amen. We have a great team. I'm tired of comparison threads.

[Ozzie30 170]

League wide, I always though D&Z were underrated, but not after this series.

Underrated: Osgood

Overrated: Franzen. Don't get me wrong, I love Franzen and all the attention he's getting, I'm just answering the question. He is on a great streak and is showing brillance on the ice, but he has yet to prove he's the real deal.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Overrated here on LGW, is Kopecky. This guy has done nothing but skate in circles, and show no kind of scoring touch, yet many people here claim that he's somehow progressing as a player. I failed to see that this season.

Underrated on LGW, is Chelios. I don't think he's looked as bad as people claim, and I don't think he's playing that much worse than he had the last few years, when everyone here was saying that he could play until 50.

[Reds4Life 51]

Overrated here on LGW, is Kopecky. This guy has done nothing but skate in circles, and show no kind of scoring touch, yet many people here claim that he's somehow progressing as a player. I failed to see that this season.

I agree 100%. We should get rid of him ASAP.

Underrated: Mule and Ozzie

Overrated: Franzen. Don't get me wrong, I love Franzen and all the attention he's getting, I'm just answering the question. He is on a great streak and is showing brillance on the ice, but he has yet to prove he's the real deal.

Yeah, he is on 'hot streak' since march.

Real deal? omg, just look at how much money does he make.

EPIC FAIL.

Edited June 1, 2008 by Reds4Life

[Mule Train 0]

Overrated: Stuart (at least so far). The jury is still out on this one for me. He makes some really excellent defensive plays but then throws the puck up ice into the slot and causes bad goals. He is still learning the system though.

Underrated: Osgood. 1.45GAA for the playoffs and still can't buy anything but backhanded 'workmanlike effort' comments from the gibbering gobs of sportswriters.

[Ozzie30 170]

Overrated: Franzen. Don't get me wrong, I love Franzen and all the attention he's getting, I'm just answering the question. He is on a great streak and is showing brillance on the ice, but he has yet to prove he's the real deal.

I agree 100%. We should get rid of him ASAP.

Underrated: Mule and Ozzie

Yeah, he is on 'hot streak' since march.

Real deal? omg, just look at how much money does he make.

EPIC FAIL.

I guess you got me wrong.

[Reds4Life 51]

I guess you got me wrong.

You wrote Franzen is overrated, that is incorrect. He is underrated, you are the proof, you think he is on hot streak, but he is not.

I did not get you wrong.

[kelloggfan 0]

Amen. We have a great team. I'm tired of comparison threads.

Yep, I agree as well...remember the Red Wings were not even listed for favorites for the cup this year. San Jose was supposed to win it all. That's what makes the NHL post season so unpredictable...it's always the team that gels in the end...rarely is it the favorite.

Mad props must be given to coach Babcock and his staff! It has been an enjoyable season to watch the wings!

Thanks guys! Great Season!

[wingsownnhl43 14]

I apologize in advance, this is going to sound ridiculous.

Overrated - Johan Franzen - The media and LGW made a huge fuss when he was out, some saying we couldnt win without him. That's just absurd. He isnt that huge of a loss, our team is so deep and talented.

Underrated - Johan Franzen - Most people still dont view him as a stud but the guy has 28 goals in 29 games. Average players dont do that, he is legit.

[PaVel DaTsYuK fan13 0]

Filpulla, Hudler, Lebda, Helm, and many other players on this team are very underrated, and a few such as Kronwall and Franzen are finally getting recognition. I really don't think there is one 'overrated' player on the wings.

[Real1 2]

Do you mean underrated/overrated on LGW, or around the NHL, because that's two completely different things?

I mean here on LGW, sorry for the confusion.

[Kira 451]

Overrated: No one.

Underrated: Lots.

Underappreciated: Dominik Hasek. You don't appreciate the fact that he's a good part of the reason we got where we are. You treat him as though he escaped from a leper colony. Enough already.

[Firehawk 305]

I wonder how many goals Franzen will score next year.

I hate to call his streak that he's been on just a hot streak. I think he's come into his own. He could easily be a 30 goal scorer next year, 40 if he keeps it up. That would be something special.

Hmm. Does anyone think Stuart is overrated? I'm not saying he is, but if I had to pick a wing that is overrated, since the league and commentators never talk about our boys, I guess it'd have to be Stuart. He's made so many mistakes this year it seems almost every one of them burns us as well. I don't know. Just thinking out loud. He's sill a big hitter though.

[Datsyerberger 279]

In the NHL

Underrated: Osgood

Overrated: Er.. hm. Uh. Hm. Franzen I guess, they were acting like he was the end all be all for us when he was out.

On here

Underrated: Sammy. Duh. He's not an amazing player, but he's a decent deal for what we pay for him, and we treat him like ass.

Overrated: Franzen again.

...Mind you, I'm one of the people that overrate Franzen.

[NHLrules? 32]

I think Rafalski is way over rated.

He is a HUGE defensive liability.

To be honest I would rather have Schneider.

Under rated Ill go with - Helm. This guy is going to be a great draper like guy in a few years. Fast plays good D makes good decisions, no hands LOL {(joking)kinda}

[kylee 727]

Overrated: Stuart (at least so far). The jury is still out on this one for me. He makes some really excellent defensive plays but then throws the puck up ice into the slot and causes bad goals. He is still learning the system though.

Underrated: Osgood. 1.45GAA for the playoffs and still can't buy anything but backhanded 'workmanlike effort' comments from the gibbering gobs of sportswriters.

i disagree outside of his "turnover" in game 3 of the Cup finals i think he has played great.

do you (or anyone for that matter) think that if we had a defense with Lillypads and Lebda and Cheli in there we would be here?

Stuart > Lilja/Lebda/Chelios

[Swede40 0]

I think Rafalski is way over rated.

He is a HUGE defensive liability.

To be honest I would rather have Schneider.

Under rated Ill go with - Helm. This guy is going to be a great draper like guy in a few years. Fast plays good D makes good decisions, no hands LOL {(joking)kinda}

Rafalski owns Schneider

[datsyukonethree 0]

I apologize in advance, this is going to sound ridiculous.

Overrated - Johan Franzen - The media and LGW made a huge fuss when he was out, some saying we couldnt win without him. That's just absurd. He isnt that huge of a loss, our team is so deep and talented.

Underrated - Johan Franzen - Most people still dont view him as a stud but the guy has 28 goals in 29 games. Average players dont do that, he is legit.

You know, I agree with this 100%. It's hard to identify overrated guys on the Wings. You could argue that Holmstrom is another one. Sure, he's a huge part of our first line and powerplay, but I wasn't all that worried about having him out of the lineup. We've got other guys who can make goalie's lives just as miserable.

In terms of very subtly underrated play, Darren Helm made our second goal happen last night. He tied up a Pittburgh player, allowing the puck to get to Hudler (another underrated guy).

[C-TownWing 0]

Overrated: No one.

Underrated: Lots.

Underappreciated: Dominik Hasek. You don't appreciate the fact that he's a good part of the reason we got where we are. You treat him as though he escaped from a leper colony. Enough already.

I'll take up for Dom too. He was a huge part of our regular season success, which in my mind has been a big reason for our playoff success. Unless you'd rather grab the 5 seed like Dallas and be forced to go through the Ducks and Sharks in the first two rounds.

Sticking with the goalie thing: Ozzie's been underrated for 15 freaking years. Winning another Cup and possibly a Conn Smythe clinches his HOF status, at least in my book.

Overrated? Nobody, our whole freaking team is sweet.

[akustyk 84]

I'd say right now Franzen, Homer, Stuart and Rafalski can get the nod as

overrated. but that would be only because in comparison to other players on

our team their value/rating ratio is higher.

Franzen because his rating got somehow inflated by huge man-love of the

fans. Homer because of reality - with the "blow the whistle" mark on his back

he's not as huge factor as he once used to be. Stuart and Rafalski because

they had some bad lapses and with Raf it shouldn't be happening.

underrated? Oz and Sammy. Oz is obvious I guess, and as for Sammy -

I think he's the best Wing to generate juicy rebounds for other players

to capitalize. and has really worked hard this series.

Dom fails out of the equation. he played almost 4 games and sucked badly.

I'll omit him in this thing as he was of little importance for our playoffs run,

maybe except for giving us an early wake up call.

let me repeat the disclaimer - all this underrated/overrated here is based

solely on the comparison within team. because compared to other teams

in this league our entire roster is vastly overperforming. just look at them

and Penguins... 3 goals in 4 games by a team that was supposed to be

an offensive juggernaut (yet plays dog boring trap when jumps to a lead

or has the game tied... gimme a break...)

Edited June 1, 2008 by akustyk

[Mule Train 0]

do you (or anyone for that matter) think that if we had a defense with Lillypads and Lebda and Cheli in there we would be here?

Stuart > Lilja/Lebda/Chelios

I can't dispute that.

Edited June 1, 2008 by Mule Train

[puckloo39 5,686]

underrated? Oz and Sammy. Oz is obvious I guess, and as for Sammy -

I think he's the best Wing to generate juicy rebounds for other players

to capitalize. and has really worked hard this series.

Dom fails out of the equation. he played almost 4 games and sucked badly.

I'll omit him in this thing as he was of little importance for our playoffs run,

maybe except for giving us an early wake up call.

16 saves in one period to preserve the win until the Wings got their heads out of their asses in game 2 vs. Nashville.... is "sucking badly"? Seriously? Dom stole that game and was the reason they won. Short term memory problems run rampant in this forum.

Ozzie and the team have won the winnable games. So did Dom.

There is only room for one number one goalie on most teams. We have two. I think Hasek is underappreciated for his continued efforts to be ready, should he be needed, and for saying nothing other than supportive things during his ouster. He is truly happy for Ozzie. He's disapppointed that he doesn't get to play, but has been a rock solid team mate and dedicated player, all season and in the playoffs.

Dom = underappreciated and under-rated, all season. That's hockey for you.

BTW: Ozzie is not underappreciated or under-rated. Anyone who still thinks that has a severe inferiority complex going on or isn't paying attention. He gets more than enough attention and praise, and all well-deserved.

Under-rated on this team: Sammy. Who else?