T.OWingsFan 7 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 That's stupid given the cap space we have. We have NO cap space. Wings need to save room for Zs longterm deal and Franzen. Ericcson, Quincey, Helm, Kindl, Howards, perhaps Grigs and Leino. We got enough in the pipeline to work with but guys to sign up and make sure to keep em Red Wings for years and years to come (Z+Franzen). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
desdave 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 The LA Kings have this kid, Patrick O'Sullivan, who I think plays Redwings Hockey and would be a great addition. Plays top 6 5-on-5, PP, PK, the whole shebang. He is RFA this summer, and the Kings are notoriously cheap with younger players. I think an offer sheet for this kid would help the Wings in a huge way... espeically if Fil leaves. More so then signing an aging Sundin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.OWingsFan 7 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I like Stuart, but I'm not thrilled with giving him more than $3 million. He's good, but just makes some dumb decisions sometimes. Anymore than 2 million for Stuart is a bad deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudConnected 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Considering how much cap space the Wings will have going into next season, I disagree with this. A lot. Kenny doesn't seem to like to use all of his cap space because he likes to keep his own players when they need raises. He's not going to significantly overpay for them, but it's nice to know you're not handcuffing yourself (Jay Feaster?) or opening yourself up for one of your young stud RFAs to get snipered by an offer sheet (Brian Burke?) Holland will stay below the cap just to make sure he won't lose anyone he's building around. If he can sneak in a Sundin or a Malone and still have a few million to play with, then he'll try to do that. If not, he feels good about our team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Vermette is quite possibly the fastest skater in the NHL, and he can score a bit. I like that addition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZETTERBERGPWN 2 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 i would say vermette too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 We have NO cap space. Wings need to save room for Zs longterm deal and Franzen. Ericcson, Quincey, Helm, Kindl, Howards, perhaps Grigs and Leino. We got enough in the pipeline to work with but guys to sign up and make sure to keep em Red Wings for years and years to come (Z+Franzen). I don't understand your thought process... Franzen and Zetts are under contract for next season and all of the 07/08 bonus money is going to be applied against this year's cap. The salary cap is going to rise, Hasek is done (2m), Chelios is most likely done (.85m) - they can sign all of their RFA's, offer Stuart 3 million a year and still have 6-7 million sitting on the table - that money doesn't carry over to next year.... Why not sign a veteran forward to a heavily loaded front end 2 year deal??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reilly 24 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Anymore than 2 million for Stuart is a bad deal. He'll get more than that on the open market. Brooks Orpik is going to get $4 million from somebody. Stuart is a luxury. There's no point in the Wings overpaying for him. I'd say $3 million is my ceiling. Or maybe do 2 years at $4 or 3 years at $3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman191 37 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Earlier on, I thought adding a seasoned goalie who could step in should our goalies faulter would be a good idea, but I think I'm finally ready to give Osgood the role and Howard the backup spot. I'm not sure if I believe Franzen's streak of brilliance is here to stay yet. Next year will tell, but a little extra boost for our offense couldn't hurt. I really like the idea of Fedorov coming back. He's defensively responsible (to say the least), still offensively talented (though to a lesser extent), and has experience in every imaginable situation. Providing he's looking for a reasonable salary, you can't go wrong. He'd certainly make a great third line center. Put him next to a couple guys on the verge of a breakout (Flip or Cleary) and I think he could be the spark they need. While the idea of Sundin or Hossa is tempting, I really can't see it happening. Hossa is likely looking for something longterm, and the Red Wings just can't afford that once Zetterberg starts getting what he deserves. And I'm still unconvinced that Sundin will go anywhere but Toronto. But hell, he's welcome here; maybe a one year contract for a stab at the cup? As for the blueline, I think Stuart will probably be back. And I love Chelios to death, but it's time to hang 'em up I think. He looked great earlier in the year, but I think 100+ games in 7 months is just too much for him at this point in his career. There was a freepress article around March that had Holland saying he expects Chelios back next year, but it certainly could have changed by now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 He'll get more than that on the open market. Brooks Orpik is going to get $4 million from somebody. Stuart is a luxury. There's no point in the Wings overpaying for him. I'd say $3 million is my ceiling. Or maybe do 2 years at $4 or 3 years at $3. These playoffs have shown fairly definitively that Stuart, or someone of his calibre, is a necessity. I can't imagine a better fit being out there somewhere. Maybe one of our kids in the future, but that's a year or two of 3rd pairing time away. We need that extra guy in the heart of his prime to bridge the gap with Kronwall from Nick and Raf to whoever makes it from the pipeline. I'd offer Stuart, Franzen, and Filppula Kronwall's contract. 5 years at $3M/yr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Noodle 39 14 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I truly hope we work within our own organization this summer. I don't want Sundin. I don't want Fedorov. I don't want any of those guys. We need to see what these young guys can do up here. If it doesn't work out, we can figure something out at the deadline. But seriously, we should spend our money solely on guys we are trying to RE-sign. Agreed. I say save the money for Zetterberg, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Helm, etc. These guys are our future and i think it's finally time to quit going after veterans every year to improve our team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Brett Hull Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I say no to Prospal - he is going to get offered a longer term deal for way too much money, and I guarantee you that team will be desperate to unload his heavy contract when he flops next year. As of right now, minimal signings need to be done. I would add Vermette if it was an option - maybe Sergei if he comes cheap. I wouldn't mess with what he have very much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 NO FEDOROV NO PROSPAL SUNDIN ROLSTON? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 (edited) If we sign Stuart, Filppula, Ericsson and Howard..I will be happy. Hank and Mule should get long term contracts..I hope Kenny will do that asap. Drake will most likely retire. Chelios will play for 2 more years I think. Downey is not really needed, but for 0.5 million, why not. McCarty should retire or sign for minimum. I do hope Hasek retires. If we cannot make a deal with Brad Stuart, then we should go after Orpik or someone like that..a physical top4 defenseman. Edited June 2, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 Hmm, lessee here. First, likely retirees: Hasek: Most likely Drake: Probably, especially with cup win Chelios: I don't think so--more below Now then Hank and Mule: Lock em both up for a long time, hope Hank will go for a contract comparable to Pavel's, and try to get Franzen on the same deal as Kronner. Stuart: Resign for 3-3.5 mil. 3 is honestly a bargain, when you compare it to what other d-men of his caliber are pulling. 3.5 mil is still a good deal for us, atleast for a couple years, and I think a cup win on a team he's had good chemistry with will convince him into taking a slight discount. Success and stability seem to be his aims. He could go for 4 else where, little doubt. Flip: Something that's a mix between reasonable and long term, I'd prefer 3 or more years. If he has a breakout year next year or the year after and we've got him locked up for a year or two more after that, we'll be getting a bargain on him. If he doesn't work for us and he still has contract time left, he'd make a good trade--there are teams out there that could benefit from the way he was playing this year, honestly. D-Mac: Isn't he already locked up for like 2-3 years at minimum? If not, I'm sure he'd take minimum, he makes for a decent backup and he's a good team guy in the background, and a fan favorite. Might as well keep him 'til he retires. Downey: Enforcing is useful during the season, even for the Wings, and he fills the role well. Sign him cheap again and bring him out when you need him.. he's hardly necessary, or a loss if he goes, but he's useful. Kopecky: Hasn't really become much, I think Helm will take the spot he had and there are other more promising prospects coming up.. there just won't be any room for him. Hartigan: Same situation as Kopecky, but crappier and older. Lilja: Uncertain. To be honest, I think he could make a bit more elsewhere. He doesn't have much use here, other than as filler until our prospects settle in. Not sure how much/if management wants to keep him, but I'd just as soon see him move on.. it'd probably good for both him and the Wings. Chelios: If he's content with a small contract and to take a #6/7 spot cycling with our prospects, he's very useful in the background. If he doesn't retire, that'd be a good role for him--if he does, I'd suspect to see him around in some other fashion. Sammy: Possible trade? But management seems to like him. Hard to say. He's really a good deal at what we have him for, though. Free Agents Honestly, we have enough prospects coming up that we need to leave some room in our lines, to some degree. Next year is something of a transition with a couple likely going out and a couple coming up, so I think the best thing for us to do, if anything, is use some our plentiful extra cap space and snag a good scoring vet that'll work well on the 2nd line, short term. That rules out Hossa and Prospal, who are both likely going to be long term contracts, and honestly more than we're going to want to pay. It also rules out.. pretty much everyone else, except Feds and Sundin. Sundin: He's the real wild card this upcoming post season.. he could retire, he could go somewhere for a good lot of money, he could stick with the Leafs. Whatever he does, I hope he doesn't stick with the Leafs.. they've treated him like ass and given him ass to play with, and I'd like to see the guy have a shot at the cup before retirement (if he doesn't this post season). IF we can grab him for a reasonable amount, and IF he'd want to come here, he'd be a good grab. Fedorov: He may be content at the Caps. Then again, he may want to play for the Wings more so. If he's willing to sign a decent 1 or 2 year contract (loaded on the front end if its 2 years), hometown discount and all, he could be a very good grab. Two-way, would fit in well on the 2nd line, veteran, a favorite of many fans, and another guy with Wings history who's probably going to be looking to retire within the next coupla years. If he wants to come home and do that, let him, for the right price. All in all, I think that leaves us looking something like this: Z-D-H Franzen/Flip/(Hudler?/Sundin?/Fedorov?) Cleary-Draper-Sammy Maltby-Helm-(Hudler?/ ?) D-Mac, Downey, possibly Abdelkader on the 4th line, and/or as backup. If we sign a FA for 2nd line, Hudler will probably be on the 4th. Lids-Raffy Kronwall-Stuart Lebda-(Lilja? / Cheli? / Ericsson? / Meech? / Quincey? ) Any of the possible #6s there are all backup material if the other locks in. Lebda is also a possible #7 if two of those others look impressive. Our top 4 is VERY solid and we have tons of potential and wiggle-room for our 5-6 and beyond. Osgood Howard/Larsson (Is it Larssen or Larsson?) Iza very nice, ah liyek. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ussr 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 (edited) people need to get over Fedorov. he left, he doesn't call, he doesn't write...it's over Edited June 2, 2008 by ussr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therock48880 14 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 1. Hossa. He's been the most impressive Pen so far. Before the trade deadline, someone did the math and figured that the Wings CAN afford him and still be able to sign Z long term. 2. Downey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaVel DaTsYuK fan13 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 (edited) Status quo, don't resign Liljia, Chelios will want to come back, and if he wants to play for real cheap, It would be a consideration, but I'm not sure how much game he has left. Defensively I'd like to look something like this Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Lebda-Chelios/Meech/Ericsonn I could see any of those three at the last defensive spot. Edited June 2, 2008 by PaVel DaTsYuK fan13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvxp 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I just want to see Hasek, Chelios and Maltby gone, and the youngsters like Howard and Ericsson moving up fulltime. If we have enough money leftover to keep Stuart around, that's enough for me. Maybe another guy with a decent shot on the wing. I agree. Cheli has got to retire and Maltby has lost speed and doesn't do much out there anymore. Also I would like to see Lebda gone. Meech can take his place. He is just as fast and a little bigger and a major improvement between the ears and on the offensive side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvxp 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 I truly hope we work within our own organization this summer. I don't want Sundin. I don't want Fedorov. I don't want any of those guys. We need to see what these young guys can do up here. If it doesn't work out, we can figure something out at the deadline. But seriously, we should spend our money solely on guys we are trying to RE-sign. Great point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 2, 2008 MY preferred players would be in the following order 1. Brad Stuart, That top 4 would be very very impressive for years to come, at least 2 years with Nick MAYBE longer! 2. Ryan Malone, this kid has really impressed me this year even though the Pens haven't done much in the SCF this kid had a great year and plays both ends very hard. 3. Brian Rolston, I like the way this guy plays, put him on the wing with Flip and Mule, Very Nice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
