Why not steal Shea Weber?

[Majsheppard 203]

I know it won't happen, but who else would love to see us screw Nashville right in the arse by taking their best player via an offersheet?

:Evil laugh:

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Whos Shea Webber?

Edited June 23, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[kylee 727]

easy, because we have chris chelios

[HenryMalredo 2]

Whats the point? Lose a bunch of draft picks for a good (but not elite) defenseman, when the team is already stuffed with defenseman.

[Donaldjr2448 43]

Well as much as I hate Nashville, I think they will pretty much screw themselves!! I'm not so sure that Webber is worth the risk! We are loaded on the back end anyway!!

[Majsheppard 203]

one extra b makes it funny how? Okay Shea Weber....

You know the guy who prob will be a top five Dman in the league in a few years.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Well as much as I hate Nashville, I think they will pretty much screw themselves!! I'm not so sure that Webber is worth the risk! We are loaded on the back end anyway!!

How will Nashville screw itself? Theyve done nothing bought sign players to great contracts recently.

[Majsheppard 203]

If you don't think he is something special then, man I just don't know what to say to you.

I was joking however, they won't let him go.

Besides if we were going to attack RFA's my Jay would be my pick!

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

one extra b makes it funny how? Okay Shea Weber....

You know the guy who prob will be a top five Dman in the league in a few years.

No, he won't.

[Reilly 24]

I'm shocked to think there are still people that post here thinking it's 2002.

[RainingBlood 8]

one extra b makes it funny how? Okay Shea Weber....

You know the guy who prob will be a top five Dman in the league in a few years.

and lose 3 1st round draft picks, thats crazy

[Slave 31]

and lose 3 1st round draft picks, thats crazy

detroit 1st round draft picks are like nice **** on a nun...useless

[Guest Crymson]

detroit 1st round draft picks are like nice **** on a nun...useless

Yeah, sure. Kronwall is, you know, totally worthless. So was Fischer. So is Kindl. Those damned first-rounders.

[eva unit zero 271]

one extra b makes it funny how? Okay Shea Weber....

You know the guy who prob will be a top five Dman in the league in a few years.

Shea Weber, if he came to Detroit, would have trouble cracking the lineup. Why do I say that, when so many here seem convinced of his impending greatness?

Because Shea Weber was Nashville's #5 defenseman this season. Somehow, that statement alone doesn't make me feel that he is worth even ONE first round pick, let alone three.

[Slave 31]

Yeah, sure. Kronwall is, you know, totally worthless. So was Fischer. So is Kindl. Those damned first-rounders.

sure there a few exceptions,.. you forgot yzerman, but then look at the "greats"

bowen,kuznetsov, wallin,golubovski,

I think we had 3 1st round drafts that were in our lineup for the scf and only 1 was drafted by us, so i stand by my point, a redwing 1st round draft pick would be useFUl if we got to pick in the top 5, hell even the top 10 consistently but that never happens anymore (thank god)

Edited June 23, 2008 by Slave

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Weber would fit in perfectly with Detroit's system and would compliment Kronwall perfectly. But I dont see the Wings offering up enough money to make Nashville not match. He's far too valuable to their team.

[Superman54 91]

Ha I wish...

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Shea Weber, if he came to Detroit, would have trouble cracking the lineup. Why do I say that, when so many here seem convinced of his impending greatness?

Because Shea Weber was Nashville's #5 defenseman this season. Somehow, that statement alone doesn't make me feel that he is worth even ONE first round pick, let alone three.

You dont really think that do you? He's better than Stuart, Lebda, Lilja, Chelios, Meech and Quincey. He'd be the perfect number 3 or 4 defenceman for the Wings. Your undervaluing Weber a TON.

[Kp-Wings 3]

You dont really think that do you? He's better than Stuart, Lebda, Lilja, Chelios, Meech and Quincey. He'd be the perfect number 3 or 4 defenceman for the Wings. Your undervaluing Weber a TON.

Weber isn't better than Stuart; he's younger, but Stuart is still a better player.

Weber could easily make this team, as he's a lot better than Lebda or Chelios, but that still doesn't mean we should go after him. He'll command a high return price (most RFA's do), and it's not worth the payout for a #5-6 defenseman. There are plenty of cheaper options for that role already in the system, or in free agency.

I do like Weber, but the chances of him getting him are very unrealistic.

[edicius 3,269]

And even more unrealistic now. Nashville's close to signing him for a 3-year deal at $4.5M/yr.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241451&lid...os=topStory_nhl

[Jwo 7]

How will Nashville screw itself? Theyve done nothing bought sign players to great contracts recently.

History repeats its self. 2006-07 season they had great signings of players.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

$4.5 million per for Shea Weber....No Thanks!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Shea Weber, if he came to Detroit, would have trouble cracking the lineup. Why do I say that, when so many here seem convinced of his impending greatness?

Because Shea Weber was Nashville's #5 defenseman this season. Somehow, that statement alone doesn't make me feel that he is worth even ONE first round pick, let alone three.

Eva, you're crazy. You do realize the guy was injured this year and had what amounted to a bad season where he never got on track, mostly due to his injuries. He only played in 54 games this year.

Now last year, when he was healthy and firing on all cylinders he cranked out 17 goals, 40 points and a +13 on a good Nashville squad.

IMO, he's a bigger version of a young Chris Chelios. Good in his own end, good shot from the point, able to contribute offensively, absolutely sticks up for everybody on his team, willing to drop the gloves. 6-3, 213lbs, only 23 years old. He definitely reminds me of the old, 2-way Chely with the Hawks back in the day. He's a fantastic defenseman and he's only going to get better. 23 YEARS OLD!

4.5 milliion for the guy who is going to be their #1 defensman is a smart move. It wouldn't be a smart move for us b/c we have so much depth already. So in reality we'd never get him.

But mark my words, he is no ******* #5 dman. He's a legit top pairing guy and when he's 25-26-27 years old he's going to be a force in the West.

[Majsheppard 203]

Eva, you're crazy. You do realize the guy was injured this year and had what amounted to a bad season where he never got on track, mostly due to his injuries. He only played in 54 games this year.

Now last year, when he was healthy and firing on all cylinders he cranked out 17 goals, 40 points and a +13 on a good Nashville squad.

IMO, he's a bigger version of a young Chris Chelios. Good in his own end, good shot from the point, able to contribute offensively, absolutely sticks up for everybody on his team, willing to drop the gloves. 6-3, 213lbs, only 23 years old. He definitely reminds me of the old, 2-way Chely with the Hawks back in the day. He's a fantastic defenseman and he's only going to get better. 23 YEARS OLD!

4.5 milliion for the guy who is going to be their #1 defensman is a smart move. It wouldn't be a smart move for us b/c we have so much depth already. So in reality we'd never get him.

But mark my words, he is no ******* #5 dman. He's a legit top pairing guy and when he's 25-26-27 years old he's going to be a force in the West.

I just do not understand how no one can ever recognize potential in players and their role on the team.

You know those badmouthing him are the same people who demanded Franzen be traded. I have heard from more then one spot that when Phanuef and Weber were being looked at together early by scouts, everyone agreed that Dion was polished and ready to be a factor but Shea would be right there with him in a handful of years. His progression seems to back that up.

Nashville made the playoffs because they had one of the best Defenses in the league from top to bottom. Obviously they don't have the top quality that we do, but they had top four dmen on the third paring. It really was like having 6 dmen that could be third dmen on other teams. Shea is undoubtably the number one guy for them down the line.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I just do not understand how no one can ever recognize potential in players and their role on the team.

You know those badmouthing him are the same people who demanded Franzen be traded. I have heard from more then one spot that when Phanuef and Weber were being looked at together early by scouts, everyone agreed that Dion was polished and ready to be a factor but Shea would be right there with him in a handful of years. His progression seems to back that up.

Nashville made the playoffs because they had one of the best Defenses in the league from top to bottom. Obviously they don't have the top quality that we do, but they had top four dmen on the third paring. It really was like having 6 dmen that could be third dmen on other teams. Shea is undoubtably the number one guy for them down the line.

Please. Get off your high horse. Half the time you post about hair-brained ideas and when you get one thing right you want everyone to bow down and kiss your ass.

First of all, call me when Franzen has more than a good half season at the age of 28. Secondly, ONE person in this thread said Weber wasnt worth it. Everyone else is in agreeance that hes a great defenseman. He had a rough year this year, but he was comparable - and some would argue better than - Phaneuf last year when Weber played his first full season and Phaneuf hit somewhat of a wall by his standards.

As for the contract, no it is not a good contract. Is the money right? Yes. Is the term right? Absolutely not. And thats what the kicker is. In three years, Weber will again be an RFA which means they'll have to negotiate his price all over again. He will be 26 year old and will likely have put up a series of 10-15 goal seasons with 45-55 points. Add that to the fact that hell be young, subject to offer sheets, big at 6'3, 220, and plays a strong defensive and very physical game, and youre looking at a guy who will be more valuable than Brian Campbell, who is asking for 7-8M on a $56M cap. Imagine what a Dman who is worth twice what Campbell is re-upping when his teams cap is potentially near $75M. He will easily demand 7M at that time.

So, if the Preds were to throw him an overpaying contract now, theyd likely save money in the end and be sure of retaining Weber past 2011.

If you consider offering Weber 4.5 for 3 years, and 7M at 4 years, thats a contract average of 5.925. If they were to offer him 5.5 over 6 or 7 years now, then it would be a good contract. Vastly overpaying in the first few years? Of course. But in the end you save 400k over 6 or 7 years, which in the equates to millions saved.

I wouldve though it would be clearly obvious for GMs at this point in the new CBA, that offer overpaying contracts on long-terms is CLEARLY the way to go. Look at Datsyuks contract. Whereas it initially looked overpaying, its now a great contract - and it will remain a great contract for its duration - as the cap continues to rise.