Superman54 91 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Wings will pitch an offer, and if he does come to D, I will have tears of joy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 No he didn't, but my point was what's the purpose of his agent bringing up to the media that the "Leafs were prepared to pay him $7 million" when its clear to everyone that all Mats wants to do is win a Cup. I understand his agent is just trying to do his job and make his money, but you would think Mats would be telling him to put out comments like, "Mats is only interested in going to a contender" or "Mats one and only goal is to win the Cup this season" rather than bring up what the Leafs were supposedly prepared to offer. Sundin's bitter at the Leafs for letting the trade speculation run as rampant as it did when he told them in January that he was not going to accept a trade. He's also apparently ticked off at Fletcher because Cliff repeatedly asked him to waive his no-trade even after Mats had told him he would not be traded. There's more to it than just leaving for the sake of going to a contender. Also, I believe it was Fletcher who leaked that he had offered Sundin the $7 million on a one year deal, not J.P. Barry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12Newf 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 (edited) i find myself doing this quite often when discussing the leafs, and once again, i agree with everything mack attack is saying. as a faithful leafs fan of more than 20 years and someone who watches over 70 of their games a season i can say for certain that mats is as good as anyone in the NHL. the guy has so much heart its ridiculous. any and every team is going to bid on this guy and last season he was lights out. look at how many points he has over his career 1321 in 1305 games and now try to think of the best winger he has had to play with. is it mogilny with 166 points in 3 seasons? sergei berezin who once scored 37 goals? im having a hard time remembering so feel free to remind me. imagine this guy with some real linemates and remember he will likely be on a warpath because if you ask me he is super pissed off after being treated like s*** in toronto. Edited June 24, 2008 by 12Newf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Sundin played on a line with Andreychuk & Gilmour when he first came to Toronto. That was probably the best line he was a part of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Sundin's bitter at the Leafs for letting the trade speculation run as rampant as it did when he told them in January that he was not going to accept a trade. He's also apparently ticked off at Fletcher because Cliff repeatedly asked him to waive his no-trade even after Mats had told him he would not be traded. There's more to it than just leaving for the sake of going to a contender. Also, I believe it was Fletcher who leaked that he had offered Sundin the $7 million on a one year deal, not J.P. Barry. If all that's true, then I feel sorry for him....and the Leafs fans because it just doesn't seem MLSE knows how to get it right. I can't blame Cliff for trying once or twice, but after a guy tells you that he wants nothing to do with being a rental player, you honor those wishes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark the red 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Sundin's bitter at the Leafs for letting the trade speculation run as rampant as it did when he told them in January that he was not going to accept a trade. He's also apparently ticked off at Fletcher because Cliff repeatedly asked him to waive his no-trade even after Mats had told him he would not be traded. There's more to it than just leaving for the sake of going to a contender. Also, I believe it was Fletcher who leaked that he had offered Sundin the $7 million on a one year deal, not J.P. Barry. Fletcher knows Sundin is not coming back and he is just trying to do some "damagr-loss control", so he doesn't look bad, for letting Mats go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Away from all the statistics and money he wants and all, any team to acquire him will be very lucky. I just wonder about the rumors that have been talked about before are true; for example, not wanting to go to a western conf. team, favoured the Rangers as a possibility, and/or Brian Burke will perform his magic and sign Sundin. I wish the Wings would seriously consider him, being that there is money left over for somebody like this. Come on Kenny lets get r done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Does anyone else find it hilarious that Mats is rumored to want $7 million, yet "all he wants" is to win the Cup? Supposedly Kariya and Tkachuk wanted to win a Cup towards the end of their careers, and they wound up signing with St. Louis last year. I still think Sundin will go to a Cup contender, but you never know what he may do if someone throws some money in his face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 I still think Sundin will go to a Cup contender, but you never know what he may do if someone throws some money in his face. At this point it would likely have to be near the league-max if he signed with any craptacular team. If he signs for a contender I wouldn't be surprised if it was loaded with bonus stuff depending on how far the team goes in the playoffs, awards, points, goals, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12Newf 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Sundin played on a line with Andreychuk & Gilmour when he first came to Toronto. That was probably the best line he was a part of. yeah that would have been the best line but i just meant that he has never had a real goal scorer on his wing. gilmour once potted 32 with mats on his line and andreychuk's best was 22 that year. the guy has never had a real sniper and he still has put up amazing numbers over his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Mack, maybe you can verify this, but I've heard that Sundin has some investments in Canada that he could lose serious money on if he moved from Canada to the U.S. Is this true? If so, it shouldnt effect the Wings. He can rent an apartment in Windsor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 And if Sundin does join Anaheim, Corey Perry WON'T be back. FYI, Anaheim has 50M committed to their cap next year. Thats 6.3M to re-sign Selanne AND Perry. Even moving Schneider wouldnt be enough to crate the room for the 7M contract that Mats wants. You must not have been paying attention. Burke will get Parry and Selanne to retire until February thus their salaries won't count. The in February they will change their minds and only the last 2 months of the salary will count against the cup. That's why he's the best GM. It worked last year except for that little losing in the first round issue..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 I dont see how or why Sundin would want to go to a non playof team in the twilight of his career. Why not just retire? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukownzU13 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Get Sundin, Naslund, Ericcson and Larson on the team and before you know it the Red Wings own the Swedish national team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Sundin played on a line with Andreychuk & Gilmour when he first came to Toronto. That was probably the best line he was a part of. Thomas-Sundin-Hoglund was so much better Mack I really hope he comes to Detroit or stays in Toronto, it'll make me sick to my stomach to see in him Montreal colors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 No he didn't, but my point was what's the purpose of his agent bringing up to the media that the "Leafs were prepared to pay him $7 million" when its clear to everyone that all Mats wants to do is win a Cup. I understand his agent is just trying to do his job and make his money, but you would think Mats would be telling him to put out comments like, "Mats is only interested in going to a contender" or "Mats one and only goal is to win the Cup this season" rather than bring up what the Leafs were supposedly prepared to offer. I don't believe that. If all he wanted was to win a cup, he would have waived his no trade clause last year conditional that he could name the team. He would have ended up in Montreal, San Jose, Anaheim or Dallas or he would have been hoisting the Cup with the wings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 I don't believe that. If all he wanted was to win a cup, he would have waived his no trade clause last year conditional that he could name the team. He would have ended up in Montreal, San Jose, Anaheim or Dallas or he would have been hoisting the Cup with the wings... He didn't want to win the cup as a rental. He said that over and over again. He said if was going to win the cup, he wanted to be with the team at the start of the season. Not ride their coattails to victory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Yeah. Itd be so terrible to spend a chunk of money on an elite forward and former captain who could feasibly only look for a one year contract. God forbid we spend some of the 17M we have available on something that cant be qualified as depth. Yea, cause Holland sucks and has no idea what he is doing. We should have done what Pittsburgh did and gave up 3 top prospects and a draft pick for Hossa. Then we would have nothing to show for it except a Finals appearance in which we got our asses kicked... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Yea, cause Holland sucks and has no idea what he is doing. We should have done what Pittsburgh did and gave up 3 top prospects and a draft pick for Hossa. Then we would have nothing to show for it except a Finals appearance in which we got our asses kicked... ...then after that, we'll trade Malone, Malkin and lose out on re-siging Hossa. Man our one trip to the finals was nice! LOL! That's if like, we did what Pit is doing.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2008 Yea, cause Holland sucks and has no idea what he is doing. We should have done what Pittsburgh did and gave up 3 top prospects and a draft pick for Hossa. Then we would have nothing to show for it except a Finals appearance in which we got our asses kicked... What are you smoking dude? Half your posts on this board are made just to goad other posters into arguments you cant win. Youre an idiot if you think signing Sundin to a one year deal when we have close to a third of our cap space remaining is even remotely similar to Pittsburgh trading Esposito, Christensen, Armstrong, and a 1st. Not only do we give up NOTHING other than money, but it would also have ZERO effect on our ability to retain core players, both now, and in the following year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 25, 2008 Supposedly Kariya and Tkachuk wanted to win a Cup towards the end of their careers, and they wound up signing with St. Louis last year. I still think Sundin will go to a Cup contender, but you never know what he may do if someone throws some money in his face. Given the bolded situation, unless his relationship with Cliff and the Leafs have soured that much than he would probably just stay in Toronto. He bleeds blue, and as long as the relationship between him and Leafs isn't irreparable, signing with another mediocre (or worse) club is a pointless, lateral movement if he *seriously* wants to win the Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted June 29, 2008 Kevin Dupont: Anyone seen Sundin? - Montreal general manager Bob Gainey worked a deal with Toronto before last weekend's draft to speak one-on-one with Mats Sundin about coming to Habtown. Sundin was in Sweden and made it clear, when Gainey called, he wasn't in talking mode (again, read: choice). He could still end up a Leaf. Or a Red Wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omnipotent_hudler 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) Eklund thinks he's about to sign in Montreal , either today or tomorrow apparently yeah it's Eklund but it's a toss up in any case right now\ e: also apparently Sundin is thoroughly disgusted by the way the Leafs are handling the McCabe situation Edited June 29, 2008 by omnipotent_hudler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 29, 2008 He's not going to Montreal, I'll bet money on it. On the bright side, whoever gets him will have a warrior on their hands, because if chooses to leave his career-long love the Leafs, you know he's serious about winning the Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sixer 37 Report post Posted June 29, 2008 I honestly think Sundin will NOT sign with the Habs or Toronto. I think we're the best bet after that. Can't wait to find out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
