Outsider 42 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 sorry the cba sucks i guess I think you're confused. The League, via the CBA, cannot force a Player to leave his current Team simply because another Team makes him an offer. The Offer Sheet must be signed by BOTH parties, (Offering Team AND Player), in order to be valid. Otherwise, it's toilet paper, and the Wings don't have to worry about matching it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 lol @ anyone who thinks vancouver would suck enough that we'd even have a chance at tavares. are u guys on the same planet? they missed the playoffs by 2 points after losing their last 6 games in a row. also, tavares isnt the clear #1 pick. ...ya ya, we know, we know, but hey, anything is possible! Even if they missed the playoffs again we'd get a pick in the top 14 of the draft AND our own at 30... (assuming the Cup stays here) ...then we'd have #44 and #60 then #74 and #90, That is assuming Vancouver is the last team to NOT make the playoffs. With 6 picks in the first three rounds plus our other 4 picks after I am sure Holland would find someone who would replace Filpulla! ...just think if Vancouver finished in the bottom 10 and lets say got the #6 pick overall, the offers for that pick alone would be worth losing Filpulla over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2008 An offer sheet is nothing but a contract offer from another team. Filppula is not compelled to sign it. Kenny has made multiple offers to Filppula and obviously he hasn't signed one yet. There is no difference between the two apart from the Wings' rights to match or decline and receive compensation should Fil sign with another team instead of ours. Vancouver could offer $5M/yr for 10 years and Fil has no obligations to sign. He could say no and then sign for $2.5M for 5 years with the Wings. Brian Gionta turned down several offer sheets a while back when Lou was in cap hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) ...could you imagine the prospects we would've had if Holland had NOT matched that insane Carolina contract that Fedorov signed? Geesh, how many first rounders would we have gotten? Wait do signing bonuses count? Because I believe his salary was only $2mm. Hmmmm.... I guess we wouldn't have had that many if that is the case! But, if you go by actually salary earned for tht season, he took home something like $74 million (I think we'd still be drafting Carolina's first rounders today if that is what they'd go by! ) Edited July 5, 2008 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outsider 42 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 lol @ anyone who thinks vancouver would suck enough that we'd even have a chance at tavares. are u guys on the same planet? they missed the playoffs by 2 points after losing their last 6 games in a row. also, tavares isnt the clear #1 pick. Take a look at their current roster. Linden retired. Naslund has signed with the Ranger$, and has thus far been replaced by..... Steve Bernier. They've got the Aliens, but that's about it. That's why they offered Sundin $10M/yr., and why they're preparing an Offer Sheet for Flip. They're desperate, and by the sound of it, their lockerroom is a mess. They could very well finish in the bottom 5. The 'Nucks, as currently constructed, are no better than some of those dreadful Panthers Teams. The Great Roberto Luongo didn't have much success there, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henriksedin 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) have to agree, even their captain wanted out of there, their "d" is suspect at best and thier top 2 scores were make our 3rd line....maybe....b4 the hossa pickup. Luongo is crazy good but so are a lot of goalies in the western conference; I just can not see the canucks doing any better then last year i actually see them doing worse Sedins *might* make your 3rd line? Hilarious, considering they outscored your 3rd highest scoring forward by 32 and 34 points. Edited July 5, 2008 by henriksedin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henriksedin 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) Take a look at their current roster. Linden retired. Naslund has signed with the Ranger$, and has thus far been replaced by..... Steve Bernier. They've got the Aliens, but that's about it. That's why they offered Sundin $10M/yr., and why they're preparing an Offer Sheet for Flip. They're desperate, and by the sound of it, their lockerroom is a mess. They could very well finish in the bottom 5. The 'Nucks, as currently constructed, are no better than some of those dreadful Panthers Teams. The Great Roberto Luongo didn't have much success there, either. The offense is definitely pretty weak as it stands, but its still early. The Nucks finished 7th in GAA last year, with a defense that had one of the most man games lost in the league (and most to top 4 guys), as well as Luongo having an off year, by his standards. I don't recall Florida ever finishing that high. They also were strapped by $10 million between Naslund and Morrison, and were still in the playoff hunt all season. Right now they are at basically the same team, minus an underachieving Naslund. I'm not sure where this sudden plummet is going to come from. And just FYI in addition to Bernier, they've added Wellwood and Hordichuk, and have a ton of money to spend. Edited July 5, 2008 by henriksedin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Im still doubtful that the Canucks will make an yoffer to Filppula. If they do so, I think it will be something Wings will be able to match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) The offense is definitely pretty weak as it stands, but its still early. The Nucks finished 7th in GAA last year, with a defense that had one of the most man games lost in the league (and most to top 4 guys), as well as Luongo having an off year, by his standards. I don't recall Florida ever finishing that high. They also were strapped by $10 million between Naslund and Morrison, and were still in the playoff hunt all season. Right now they are at basically the same team, minus an underachieving Naslund. I'm not sure where this sudden plummet is going to come from. And just FYI in addition to Bernier, they've added Wellwood and Hordichuk, and have a ton of money to spend. ...that is fine, sign Filpulla to $4mm and we'll take your #14 pick if you barely miss the playoffs or a higher one if you REALLY miss the playoffs... ...oh and your 2nd and 3rd rounder as well... ...Filpulla for 3 high draft picks WELL worth it! And the chance, the CHANCE, even a sniff of a top 5 pick and it'll be MORE than WELL worth the loss of Filpulla... Take him, sure we'll miss his potential, but we've lost top talent before and who's to say his potential will be as good without the Wings (a lot of our top prospects were like that.) How's that guy doing in Washington, the guy we traded for Lang? I can't even remember his name... Edited July 5, 2008 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Im not too fond on seeing this guy go.... http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4DXfZHGoGFw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Im not too fond on seeing this guy go.... http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4DXfZHGoGFw ...me neither, but if he signs a contract for $4MM, would you match? ...this is all silly, this is all speculation, he'll prolly tell Vancouver to shove it! If Hossa can take a discount to come here for a year, Filpulla will take a discount too! Who would want to leave this team? Stuart took a huge discount as well! Heck when you have the best player in the world taking $3MM dollars a year less than the league max to play here, then who else wouldn't? (BTW I am speaking of Lidstrom ) ...in comparison, how much did Brian Campbell just sign for? In comparison, how much would Lidstrom get on the open market, exactly... ...Flip's going nowhere! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henriksedin 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 ...me neither, but if he signs a contract for $4MM, would you match? ...this is all silly, this is all speculation, he'll prolly tell Vancouver to shove it! If Hossa can take a discount to come here for a year, Filpulla will take a discount too! Who would want to leave this team? Stuart took a huge discount as well! Heck when you have the best player in the world taking $3MM dollars a year less than the league max to play here, then who else wouldn't? (BTW I am speaking of Lidstrom ) ...in comparison, how much did Brian Campbell just sign for? In comparison, how much would Lidstrom get on the open market, exactly... ...Flip's going nowhere! The difference, though, is that Hossa already has more money than he knows what to do with. For a guy in Filpulla's position, especially already having won a cup, I think almost anyone would take the money (if its considerably more than Detroit will pay). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Cool, I'll take my Canucks first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 The difference, though, is that Hossa already has more money than he knows what to do with. For a guy in Filpulla's position, especially already having won a cup, I think almost anyone would take the money (if its considerably more than Detroit will pay). ...keep dreaming. Vancouver can't even get someone to play for them for $10MM per season. Hey, if Filpulla wants the cash, then cool, we'll take your picks and don't cry if by the grace of the hockey gods you get that lottery pick, and we end up with Tavares or similar, that would be a great trade... ...either way we win, we either keep Filpulla or get 3 picks from you... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 It's funny. On the Vancouver Radio station in question his agent was asked if Gillis made contact to him about Filppula and he said no, but they contacted him about another one of his clients. Then Filppulas agent said something along the lines of "but he should, Filppula would be good in Vancouver"... It's all nothing, really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 It's funny. On the Vancouver Radio station in question his agent was asked if Gillis made contact to him about Filppula and he said no, but they contacted him about another one of his clients. Then Filppulas agent said something along the lines of "but he should, Filppula would be good in Vancouver"... It's all nothing, really. It sounds like a bit more than just rumor to me... Here is the audio link from that broadcast - I lifted it off of RWC - courtesy of a poster named rightwinger. Fast forward to minute mark 20:45 to hear the pertinent info... http://cknwam.corusradionetwork.com/dynami...?dt=20080704_12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 ...could you imagine the prospects we would've had if Holland had NOT matched that insane Carolina contract that Fedorov signed? Geesh, how many first rounders would we have gotten? Wait do signing bonuses count? Because I believe his salary was only $2mm. Hmmmm.... I guess we wouldn't have had that many if that is the case! But, if you go by actually salary earned for tht season, he took home something like $74 million (I think we'd still be drafting Carolina's first rounders today if that is what they'd go by! ) Fedorov's total contract value, including all bonuses, was $38m over 6 years. For the best player in the world at the time, it was a perfectly reasonable contract offer. It would have resulted in five first-round draft picks had the Wings not matched. Instead, Fedorov was key to two Cup wins in the next five seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dump-N-Thump Report post Posted July 5, 2008 Dang got my hopes up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeeSpot82 10 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 For anyone interested in how this actually works... Vancouver can only offer an RFA either of these options: $863k or less (no compensation) $1.3M - $2.6M (2nd round pick) $6.5M or higher (four 1st round picks) Since the Canucks no longer have a third round draft pick in 2009 (Steve Bernier package), they aren't in a position to offer any other sum to an RFA. Detroit would clearly match the first and second, and the last option is lunacy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 ...It would have resulted in five first-round draft picks had the Wings not matched. hey eva... just for giggles i compiled a list of draftees that the Canes took from 1998-2002" 1998: Jeff Heerema (11th overall) 1999: David Tanabe (16th overall) 2000: Vaclav Nedorost (14th overall pick as traded to Colorado Avalanche) 2001: Igor Knyazev (15th overall) 2002: Cam Ward (25th overall) I know too many factors and permutations would affect the hypothetical selections... but it gives a good idea. not to mention with Fedorov, the Canes pick slots would probably worsen. Anyways, I definitely would have chosen to match... even in hindsight. Sign Filpulla soon darnit... get er done Kenny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) For anyone interested in how this actually works... Vancouver can only offer an RFA either of these options: $863k or less (no compensation) $1.3M - $2.6M (2nd round pick) $6.5M or higher (four 1st round picks) Since the Canucks no longer have a third round draft pick in 2009 (Steve Bernier package), they aren't in a position to offer any other sum to an RFA. Detroit would clearly match the first and second, and the last option is lunacy. I read that Vancouver had two third rounders in 09 - they traded the one they received from L.A. for Bernier so they still have their own pick... I just looked it up and the pick from L.A. was part of the Cloutier deal. Edited July 5, 2008 by Glubki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 I refuse to accept the idea of Filppula going Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 It sounds like a bit more than just rumor to me... Here is the audio link from that broadcast - I lifted it off of RWC - courtesy of a poster named rightwinger. Fast forward to minute mark 20:45 to hear the pertinent info... http://cknwam.corusradionetwork.com/dynami...?dt=20080704_12 True, i guess he forgot to mention the part before they said they didnt talk to his agent about filppula haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 I'm not sure what Vancouver has to gain by losing alot of draft picks for Flip. They are a team that is going nowhere for the forseeable future - they need those picks more than they need Flip. I would be shocked if they even make the playoffs. Their captain just bolted for the Rangers all-star graveyard. The Sedin twins as your top forwards? Not impressed. Either the Nucks or the Avs will find the NW division basement. There were rumors at one time of Sakic maybe going there since he's from BC, but I really doubt he would do that since they play in the same division as the Avs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeeSpot82 10 Report post Posted July 5, 2008 I read that Vancouver had two third rounders in 09 - they traded the one they received from L.A. for Bernier so they still have their own pick... I just looked it up and the pick from L.A. was part of the Cloutier deal. Wow. Nice tidbit - I'd be mistaken then. They can offer whatever they'd like. But I would rather have Flip than the picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
