RWK23 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 I'll be honest and say that I'm a little embarassed that I have to ask this, but I need a little help in remembering the forward lines and defensive pairings for the three Stanley Cup teams prior to this year, mostly the first two. Part of my ignorance on this subject is because of my age during these championship seasons (7,8, and 12) and the fact that I wasn't really focused on the fourth line matchups as much as I was constantly trying to find #19 on the ice. I'm not asking for any other reason than to satisfy my own curiousity as my understanding of the game is much more advance at age 18 than it was at age 7, 8, and 12. So, can anyone help me out here? I won't even try to remember '97 and '98, but here's my best shot at '02. '02: Fedorov - Yzerman - Shanahan Holmstrom - Larionov - Robataille Maltby - Draper - McCarty Devereaux - Datsyuk - Hull Lidstrom - Olausson Chelios - Fischer Dandenault - Duchesne Hasek - Legace Close? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukownzU13 1 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 I'm with you on not remembering the lineups (and I was 2 years older for each team). But if you are close, the thought of a team having Brett Hull and Pavel Datsyuk on the 4th line is mind-blowing even at their ages (young and old). That team was staccccked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RWK23 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 Yeah, I don't remember if they were playing fourth line minutes or whatever, but I do remember Hull pairing up with Datsyuk and Devereaux during 5-on-5 matchups. However, on PPs, Hull played with Yzerman, Shanahan, Fedorov, and Lidstrom IIRC. Well, here's my best guess on the '97 lines, because I'm bored and have nothing better to do. I'm just looking at the playoff games played at Hockey-Database and combining what I know (Grind Line + Russian 5) with complete guesses. Shanahan - Yzerman - McCarty Kozlov - Larionov - Fedorov Maltby - Draper - Kocur Lapointe - Sandstrom - Brown Lidstrom - Murphy Fetisov - Konstantinov Rouse - Ward Vernon - Osgood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 19, 2008 (edited) I'll be honest and say that I'm a little embarassed that I have to ask this, but I need a little help in remembering the forward lines and defensive pairings for the three Stanley Cup teams prior to this year, mostly the first two. Part of my ignorance on this subject is because of my age during these championship seasons (7,8, and 12) and the fact that I wasn't really focused on the fourth line matchups as much as I was constantly trying to find #19 on the ice. I'm not asking for any other reason than to satisfy my own curiousity as my understanding of the game is much more advance at age 18 than it was at age 7, 8, and 12. So, can anyone help me out here? I won't even try to remember '97 and '98, but here's my best shot at '02. '02: Fedorov - Yzerman - Shanahan Holmstrom - Larionov - Robataille Maltby - Draper - McCarty Devereaux - Datsyuk - Hull Lidstrom - Olausson Chelios - Fischer Dandenault - Duchesne Hasek - Legace Close? You got our 4th and 2nd line mixed up. I know this because I remember Robitallie had one of the highest goals scored per minute, and seeing as him and Hull scored the same amount Robitallie must have been on the 4th line. Besides that 02 looks as I remember it also. Edited July 19, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrhockey2k 2 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 The 97 and 02 ones posted look right 98: Shanahan-Yzerman-McCarty Holmstrom-Fedorov-Brown Kozlov-Larionov-Lapointe Maltby-Draper-Kocur Lidstrom-Murphy Fetisov-Mironov Rouse-Macoun Osgood-Hodson Gilchrist, Dandenault, Knuble, Ward and Eriksson were also on the team, but I believe the above were the startes for majority of the games. I remember Gilchrist played in some games cause Stevie was talking about him playing with his groin torn . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 Yeah, I don't remember if they were playing fourth line minutes or whatever, but I do remember Hull pairing up with Datsyuk and Devereaux during 5-on-5 matchups. However, on PPs, Hull played with Yzerman, Shanahan, Fedorov, and Lidstrom IIRC. Well, here's my best guess on the '97 lines, because I'm bored and have nothing better to do. I'm just looking at the playoff games played at Hockey-Database and combining what I know (Grind Line + Russian 5) with complete guesses. Shanahan - Yzerman - McCarty Kozlov - Larionov - Fedorov Maltby - Draper - Kocur Lapointe - Sandstrom - Brown Lidstrom - Murphy Fetisov - Konstantinov Rouse - Ward Vernon - Osgood Sandstrom and McCarty should be reversed, otherwise it's correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 The 97 and 02 ones posted look right 98: Shanahan-Yzerman-McCarty Holmstrom-Fedorov-Brown Kozlov-Larionov-Lapointe Maltby-Draper-Kocur Lidstrom-Murphy Fetisov-Mironov Rouse-Macoun Osgood-Hodson Gilchrist, Dandenault, Knuble, Ward and Eriksson were also on the team, but I believe the above were the startes for majority of the games. I remember Gilchrist played in some games cause Stevie was talking about him playing with his groin torn . Eriksson was the #4 defenseman on the team and played in the spot you have Mironov listed in. Mironov was SUPPOSED to play there, but bombed horribly as a Wing and ended up only seeing spot duty in the postseason after playing in the All-Star game as a Duck that same season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted July 19, 2008 Sandstrom and McCarty should be reversed, otherwise it's correct. I don't think thats right. When has Mccarty ever played center? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 19, 2008 I don't think thats right. When has Mccarty ever played center? He didn't. Brown did. I meant on the lines only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 I have a hard time ever remembering Sandstrom on the top line in '98... But I guess it may be true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 I have a hard time ever remembering Sandstrom on the top line in '98... But I guess it may be true. 98 no, i don;t think he was even on the team but in 97 he definitly played a lof of the time on Yzerman's wing... you can't read a huge amount into it though, as Bowman would constantly change lines looking for favourable matchups Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 I have a hard time ever remembering Sandstrom on the top line in '98... But I guess it may be true. Sandstrom left the team in the summer of 97. He was a rental acquired from Pittsburgh for Greg Johnson. He was possibly the team's least effective forward in the postseason despite playing prime minutes; there's a good chance NOT trading for him might have been better in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 I thought that Shanahan played with Larionov and Lapointe. Likewise, I remember Fedorov playing with Brown and Kozlov. As far as I can tell, those 2 lines were together for both cup runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 Sandstrom and McCarty should be reversed, otherwise it's correct. ...there were no set lines, besides Doug Brown WAS NOT 4th line... ...Brown was more important to this team than FagCarty (that is why Kocur was part of the grind line, and prior to that, LaPointe was) so if anyone was 4th line it was him... ...McCarty = Waste of roster position then as well as now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 Sandstrom left the team in the summer of 97. He was a rental acquired from Pittsburgh for Greg Johnson. He was possibly the team's least effective forward in the postseason despite playing prime minutes; there's a good chance NOT trading for him might have been better in the long run. ...yeah, considering the player Greg Johnson turned out to be! Man I wish he could have stayed around for those Cups... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 ...there were no set lines, besides Doug Brown WAS NOT 4th line... ...Brown was more important to this team than FagCarty (that is why Kocur was part of the grind line, and prior to that, LaPointe was) so if anyone was 4th line it was him... ...McCarty = Waste of roster position then as well as now... That might be the most clueless comment in the history of LGW. Without guys like McCarty, the Wings wouldn't have won any Cups. You need guys like that for grit in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 That might be the most clueless comment in the history of LGW. Without guys like McCarty, the Wings wouldn't have won any Cups. You need guys like that for grit in the playoffs. And now we have a new most clueless comment... While McCarty gave valuable contributions, to say we wouldn't have won ANY Cups without him is, simply put, retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) And now we have a new most clueless comment... While McCarty gave valuable contributions, to say we wouldn't have won ANY Cups without him is, simply put, retarded. Settle down, Beavis. I didn't say we couldn't win without him. I said we couldn't win without guys like him. You just overreacted too soon or misread my post. Sounds like another anti-enforcer comment to me. Edited July 20, 2008 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) ...there were no set lines, besides Doug Brown WAS NOT 4th line... ...Brown was more important to this team than FagCarty (that is why Kocur was part of the grind line, and prior to that, LaPointe was) so if anyone was 4th line it was him... ...McCarty = Waste of roster position then as well as now... Um... Wtf... How is this relevant? These kind of comments will completely derail the entire topic and serve absolutely no purpose. Edited July 20, 2008 by SweWings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 Um... Wtf... How is this relevant? These kind of comments will completely derail the entire topic and serve absolutely no purpose. ...it's relevant because, Doug Brown was more important to those 2 Cup teams than McCarty was. Period. And to suggest that Doug Brown was a 4th liner and McCarty was a top liner is absolutely assinine... ...Who tied the Washington game when we were severely outplayed? And on a completely individual effort? Exactly. Anyhow back to the original topic... ...yeah, McCarty sucks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 LeftWinger was clearly sodomised by DMac over and over again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 That might be the most clueless comment in the history of LGW. Without guys like McCarty, the Wings wouldn't have won any Cups. You need guys like that for grit in the playoffs. ...uh, Joe Kocur? Marty Lapointe? Bob Rouse? Vladdy? We had plenty of gritty players, we didn't need McCrappy then and we didn't need him last year... ...Aaron Downey can more than be the grit we need. Hopefully he gets tons of playoff time next year and McCarty can go back to Flint... ..all I was saying is that no way Brown is on a lessor line than McCarty, even though there were no set lines combos with Bowman, so at anytime, anyone was with anyone... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 Settle down, Beavis. I didn't say we couldn't win without him. I said we couldn't win without guys like him. You just overreacted too soon or misread my post. Sounds like another anti-enforcer comment to me. Yeah... I misread it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted July 20, 2008 Gotta love all the love for McCarty going on in this thread, but wasn't this supposed to be about the old red wings line ups? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doggy 130 Report post Posted July 20, 2008 Remember McCarty's Cup-winner against Philly. That was totally sick. What a legend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
