Stuart 6?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I haven't owned an EA Sports hockey game since the 2004 version I think (will buy the new one soon with a gift card ), but I think one of the versions I had was programmed to restrict numbers that were retired for a team or league-wide if you were trying to change jersey numbers or trade/sign players, etc.

Doesn't really matter though, can easily just switch Stuart's number to 23 in the game.

[DMAC 25 18]

sometimes you can't trust the video games b/c in i think 07 or 08 they had samuelsson as a righty so they mess up in all the games

[Anomalously 0]

DMAC - Sammy does shoot right.

[betterREDthandead 58]

DMAC - Sammy does shoot right.

Sammy shoots wrong.....horribly horribly wrong.

[Opie 308]

Sammy shoots wrong.....horribly horribly wrong.

That is world Champion Sammy!

How does some one go about shooting wrong, does he have a lefty stick? Does he back hand when he should forehand? does he have his hands in opposite order (Lefty grip righty shot).

People really need to grow up and move beyond the whipping boy thing, seriously, the guy was a pivotal part of winning the cup, yet some how he shoots horribly wrong.

If you hate the guy, hate him, but don't make s*** up.

[Heaton 1]

Sammy shoots wrong.....horribly horribly wrong.

Sammy shoots how the majority of players should shoot, just not as accurate.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

I dont understand the Sammy ragging.. SAMMY ACTUALLY PRODUCES

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

That is world Champion Sammy!

How does some one go about shooting wrong, does he have a lefty stick? Does he back hand when he should forehand? does he have his hands in opposite order (Lefty grip righty shot).

People really need to grow up and move beyond the whipping boy thing, seriously, the guy was a pivotal part of winning the cup, yet some how he shoots horribly wrong.

If you hate the guy, hate him, but don't make s*** up.

Look at his shooting percentage, and then tell me whether he shoots horribly wrong or not.

I don't see how anyone can argue that Sammy doesn't have a rotten shot, or for that matter, poor shot selection.

[toby91_ca 620]

Look at his shooting percentage, and then tell me whether he shoots horribly wrong or not.

I don't see how anyone can argue that Sammy doesn't have a rotten shot, or for that matter, poor shot selection.

I hear what you are saying, but I think the stat is somewhat misleading due to his time manning the point on the powerplay. For comparison, his shooting percentage is not all that lower than Lidstrom's, Stuart's, etc.

Not much worse than Kopecky's either.

[Opie 308]

Look at his shooting percentage, and then tell me whether he shoots horribly wrong or not.

I don't see how anyone can argue that Sammy doesn't have a rotten shot, or for that matter, poor shot selection.

Well saying he has poor shot selection is decidedly different from saying his shooting is horribly, horribly wrong.

BTW the evaluation of his shot is your opinion, and others base their opinions off of their own expectations. Then again you would probably have to defend your opinion to Babs as well, which would be funny:

"Excuse me, uhhh umm, MR. Babcock, um I think Mikael Samuelsson has a horrible shot and should be traded for a bag of ummm, uhhh pucks, thank you sir, uhhhhh I will go now!"

Wrong denotes that some part of activity is done wrong, his aim may be off or "Wrong" but if his shooting is horribly horribly wrong how in the hell did he end up in the NHL to begin with, how does he outscore so many other NHLers? With a horribly wrong shot you would think every time he winds up he would fall on his face.

His shot is not horribly wrong, he has either a) poor shot selection b) bad aim or c) is everyone's favorite whipping boy even though he did more to help this team win a cup than I would venture 6-8 other forwards did. But why is it that in every thread on here he is the only one people feel the need to bash?

Oh sorry the new guy is Cheli, everyone is dogging on him too. (Which I have defended as well).

I am not Sammy's biggest fan, in fact I was one of the first people saying he was trade able this year due to other players joining the team or raising their level of play. However I am usually the first to his defense. The guy is a very solid NHLer, his coach is telling him to shoot, what more do you want from the guy, oh wait what you want from him means nothing.

I guess I found a little more strength to the Lilja arguments because at least people had an event to grab onto, although I defended him too, but the only thing people can hang on Sammy is that they personally expected more from him, well until you are a Wings' coach or staff member you expectations mean jack s***!

And now here comes the "It is an internet forum and I can say what I want" well so can I and if I think your bashing of a player is unfounded I will let you know, and then when you prove to me (with something besides your opinion) I will admit you were right and I was wrong. I do it often because I unlike most of this board make mistakes, and own up to them. (not aimed at you GMR).

What I find the funniest is that for a brief moment I thought that winning the cup would be celebrated for more than 2 days on this board. After that, it was back to Lilja sucks, Sammy is a retard, Cheli is horrible. No wonder people call Wings fans spoiled, because for the most part that is exactly how we act!

With all of these atrocious players that must mean that Z-Dats-Lids must be hockey gods to carry this team with all of the slugs.

[betterREDthandead 58]

That is world Champion Sammy!

How does some one go about shooting wrong, does he have a lefty stick? Does he back hand when he should forehand? does he have his hands in opposite order (Lefty grip righty shot).

People really need to grow up and move beyond the whipping boy thing, seriously, the guy was a pivotal part of winning the cup, yet some how he shoots horribly wrong.

If you hate the guy, hate him, but don't make s*** up.

He misses.

It's funny you should go off on me like that....I've never been a Sammy basher. I do reserve the right to make funny joke, though. So calm down.

But you can't deny he needs a soccer net to shoot at. Have you seen his shooting percentage?

[Opie 308]

He misses. So no one in the history of the game has missed the net?

It's funny you should go off on me like that....I've never been a Sammy basher. I do reserve the right to make funny joke, though. So calm down.

But you can't deny he needs a soccer net to shoot at. Have you seen his shooting percentage?

Yes I have seen his shooting percentage, and Yes I can deny he needs a soccer net to shoot at, how else do you describe him scoring goals! Oh that is right he is dependent on his teammates, everyone else made the play happen his stick just happened to be in the way. /sarcasm

I have also seen his coach (An ELITE NHL coach; with 3 consecutive 50+ wins seasons , back to back wcf's, SC champ) say that he is a great player. Now I may not praise him like Babs did, however I also will not deny his skill set.

Sorry for "Going off on you" but the bashing is dumb, it is a forum wide bashing that isn't funny, it is old, just like the Crysby jokes people make. A joke is usually funny only for a certain period of time, then it gets old as hell. Once you have heard or read the joke 50 times it usually gets real ******* old.

BTW how did you feel about Sammy when he was accomplishing unprecedented events in the SCF?

Did he need a soccer net then?

Were you on here making jokes then?

No because, in humor, timing is everything. And now that a few months have passed since the cup, everyone forgets what Sammy did in the post season, and it is back to ragging on him. At least 2 goals in the Avs series alone that Mule scored were a direct result of Sammy forechecking, and on one of them his horribly, horribly wrong inaccurate shot led to an assist for him, and then in that same series there was the power play assist he got with his horribly horribly wrong shot, that was tipped in by Mule.

Do you know what makes jokes even funnier, WHEN THEY ARE TRUE!

I thought after the cup I would be able to stop posting the following, however it has made the board seem even more spoiled and I have to write it more often:

Root for the front of the jersey, it makes things a lot more enjoyable, that way when you start to cheer for a player you don't have to worry about cheering for the guy you hate/dislike/like to make fun of. But in the end it is you who has to decide which is more fun for you, making fun of someone who you couldn't hold his jock if you tried, or rooting for the whole team.

I could care less but in an internet forum I will tell you what I think of your posts, just like you will tell me what you think of mine.

[Dabura 12,232]

I hear what you are saying, but I think the stat is somewhat misleading due to his time manning the point on the powerplay. For comparison, his shooting percentage is not all that lower than Lidstrom's, Stuart's, etc.

Not much worse than Kopecky's either.

This.

If we're going to go off on players, we can do a lot better than Sammy. Sammy can play on the second line and score. Mac, on the other hand, can barely stay on the fourth.

[Opie 308]

This.

If we're going to go off on players, we can do a lot better than Sammy. Sammy can play on the second line and score. Mac, on the other hand, can barely stay on the fourth.

Maltby can barely find the puck when it is on his own stick!

[toby91_ca 620]

He misses.

Ovechkin missed the net more than any other player in the league last year and did so by a very, very wide margin. I don't think anyone would suggest he can't shoot.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Ovechkin missed the net more than any other player in the league last year and did so by a very, very wide margin. I don't think anyone would suggest he can't shoot.

That's a nonsense stat. He also shoots more than any other player in the league by a wide margin, so of course he's going to miss a lot more. Guess what - he also hit on 14.6%. Sammy's percentage is 4.4%.

Do you know what makes jokes even funnier, WHEN THEY ARE TRUE!

Um - it is true. Sammy cannot ******* shoot.

Root for the front of the jersey, it makes things a lot more enjoyable, that way when you start to cheer for a player you don't have to worry about cheering for the guy you hate/dislike/like to make fun of. But in the end it is you who has to decide which is more fun for you, making fun of someone who you couldn't hold his jock if you tried, or rooting for the whole team.

I could care less but in an internet forum I will tell you what I think of your posts, just like you will tell me what you think of mine.

Get a grip dude. I know what Sammy brings to the team. I'm also painfully aware of his major shortcoming. You can go back and comb through every single post I've ever made and you won't find one Sammy-bash, and I make one joke and you go off ranting like I ran over your puppy. I guess we can't joke about how Pavel looks like a space alien, or Hasek is a walking adventure every time he ventures out of the net, or how Chelios once met George Washington, all because they are way better hockey players than I am. Remind me to totally overreact next time you've got any criticism to say.

[Opie 308]

The thing is Datsyuk does look sort of like lurch, Cheli is old, Hasek playing the puck is an adventure, what you didn't say was Hasek plays the puck horribly horribly wrong.

I didn't jump down your throat and I don't need to calm down and ranting is you perception so I can't argue that one. You made a post, I disagreed with it and I told you why. I am not pounding my fist off of my desk or kicking my dog around because you posted.

I simply stated that his shot is not horribly horribly wrong.

The difference with Sammy and the "jokes" you mentioned were that the ones you mention in your last post appeared in jest. The Sammy jokes have gone from an exaggeration of his weaknesses (like your examples) to a full on belief on this board that he sucks and can not do a damned thing.

I didn't go back and read all of your posts about Sammy, no need, you made the one saying he shoots horribly, horribly wrong. I questioned how he shoots horribly horribly wrong, His grip, wrong stick, facing the wrong direction, skates on backwards. Missing the net is not shooting horribly horribly wrong. If you had said he can't hit the broad side of a barn I would have shut my fingers, as it is on the internet, and went about my way.

However, it is common place on this board to dog on certain players, that have been adopted as the whipping boy, and blow their weaknesses out of proportion.

Again I ask you, if he shoots so horribly horribly wrong how does he score more than so many other players in the league? How is it that the Stanley Cup Champions relied on him for scoring?

This is the internet were freedom of speech is truly freedom of speech, but don't think that because you have the freedom of speech I am not going to comment on you choice of words.

You want me to let it go because it was a joke, well ok, what in that post said Just kidding or a little exaggeration, or /sarcasm. Nothing, therefore I took the post at face value, and assumed I was talking to just another Sammy basher. I was wrong, easy fix just say you were kidding around and didn't mean it. Then I would say, well hard to tell but sorry.

But when you post:

Um - it is true. Sammy cannot ******* shoot.

And then in the same exact post merely a couple of sentences later you expect this :

I make one joke and you go off ranting like I ran over your puppy.

to make me say oh yeah just a joke, yeah because those post have joke written all over them.

If that is your idea of joke delivery, you must not be very funny. Are you like my uncle tell old stale jokes that aren't funny and wonder why no one is laughing, he also tells really old jokes that were funny about a year or two ago. The two of you should hang out you would have each other in stitches. Nice guy, a little bit of a loud close talker when he drinks though, so you may want to keep him sober.

Edited September 9, 2008 by Opie

[betterREDthandead 58]

The thing is Datsyuk does look sort of like lurch, Cheli is old, Hasek playing the puck is an adventure, what you didn't say was Hasek plays the puck horribly horribly wrong.

I didn't jump down your throat and I don't need to calm down and ranting is you perception so I can't argue that one. You made a post, I disagreed with it and I told you why. I am not pounding my fist off of my desk or kicking my dog around because you posted.

I simply stated that his shot is not horribly horribly wrong.

The difference with Sammy and the "jokes" you mentioned were that the ones you mention in your last post appeared in jest. The Sammy jokes have gone from an exaggeration of his weaknesses (like your examples) to a full on belief on this board that he sucks and can not do a damned thing.

I didn't go back and read all of your posts about Sammy, no need, you made the one saying he shoots horribly, horribly wrong. I questioned how he shoots horribly horribly wrong, His grip, wrong stick, facing the wrong direction, skates on backwards. Missing the net is not shooting horribly horribly wrong. If you had said he can't hit the broad side of a barn I would have shut my fingers, as it is on the internet, and went about my way.

However, it is common place on this board to dog on certain players, that have been adopted as the whipping boy, and blow their weaknesses out of proportion.

Again I ask you, if he shoots so horribly horribly wrong how does he score more than so many other players in the league? How is it that the Stanley Cup Champions relied on him for scoring?

This is the internet were freedom of speech is truly freedom of speech, but don't think that because you have the freedom of speech I am not going to comment on you choice of words.

You want me to let it go because it was a joke, well ok, what in that post said Just kidding or a little exaggeration, or /sarcasm. Nothing, therefore I took the post at face value, and assumed I was talking to just another Sammy basher. I was wrong, easy fix just say you were kidding around and didn't mean it. Then I would say, well hard to tell but sorry.

But when you post:

And then in the same exact post merely a couple of sentences later you expect this :

to make me say oh yeah just a joke, yeah because those post have joke written all over them.

If that is your idea of joke delivery, you must not be very funny. Are you like my uncle tell old stale jokes that aren't funny and wonder why no one is laughing, he also tells really old jokes that were funny about a year or two ago. The two of you should hang out you would have each other in stitches. Nice guy, a little bit of a loud close talker when he drinks though, so you may want to keep him sober.

Do you always get this talkative when you take offense to something? You're right - you're a lot funnier than I am. When you say you're not jumping down my throat just before you write your third or fourth epic manifesto on the subject, that's comedy. If you knew me at all you'd know I don't join in the Sammy-bashing or the Lilja-bashing or the Devereaux-bashing or any of the other stuff. You're making me want to start, though.

[toby91_ca 620]

That's a nonsense stat. He also shoots more than any other player in the league by a wide margin, so of course he's going to miss a lot more. Guess what - he also hit on 14.6%. Sammy's percentage is 4.4%.

There is an absolutely huge difference here. Ovechkin takes the vast majority of his shots from the left faceoff dot. A lot of Sammy's shots come from the point, which is why I compare his stat to Lidstrom for example.

[Opie 308]

Do you always get this talkative when you take offense to something? You're right - you're a lot funnier than I am. When you say you're not jumping down my throat just before you write your third or fourth epic manifesto on the subject, that's comedy. If you knew me at all you'd know I don't join in the Sammy-bashing or the Lilja-bashing or the Devereaux-bashing or any of the other stuff. You're making me want to start, though.

I am always talkative in real life and "internet life", my posts are more often than not too long and overstate my point.

I appreciate the critique of my posts I will not keep that in mind in the future, but you have yet to answer my questions, instead (like most internet debaters who spew forth opinion) you continue to try to blame me for jumping down your throat or ranting or flying off of the handle, but you cleverly avoid the questions so it looks like you won the debate. Guess what on the internet there really is no winning or losing a debate there is just walking away from it. Either you defend your position or you don't, the debate will go on or it will end, but either way there is very rarely ever a winner on the internet. (Bad, bad, bad, cheesy joke).

BTW, to me, jumping down your throat would constitute me getting amped up enough by this discussion to yell, swear, etc. However in this case (even though it may appear I am) I am not worked up over this, I just pointed out that you were (IMO) wrong about saying he shoots horribly horribly wrong, my rant that followed may have been unnecessary, but what is really necessary about a discussion board other than it gives me something to do in the down time at work.

[Spinner 6]

I thought this thread was abou tthe # 6. My bad, continue bashing Sammy

[StevieY9802 6]

So was the first post about Sammy saying he actually shoots left handed on the game and then it blew up out of context? So is he still a lefty on thsi game. The last game I bought was NHL 07 and he was a left which bugged the crap out of me. I like the EA NHL games but it's little things like this that bug me, especially when they had it right before. NHL 98 for Sega had Shanny as a left haned shot too. As for Stewie yeah they just got it wrong and use his number from last year so again EA not getting details right. That one bugs me less than someone being the wrong handed though.