Shutemdown 23 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 that's a very valid point. I've also been a big fan of Quincey in 2007 playoffs for the very same reasons. as for Chelli... I dunno, man... sure he's not as flashy anymore but he's also a lot of experience and huge educational value so to say. we can't measure this nor even observe but I'm pretty sure this has big importance on our team development. and with Red Wings having defense-first mindset this extra knowledge and experience may be super valuable. IMHO, the thing about keeping Chelli is that he's still OK on the ice and has plenty to give other than just his play in actual games. might be that Holland decided this is more important to the Wings now than keeping a fine prospect. and he had to axe someone Couldn't the Wings find a spot for him with the team elsewhere... like a defensive coach? It's just sad to wave g'bye to a prospect when we're still carrying a 47 yr. old defenseman that's past his prime and just too stubborn to hang 'em up... Sure he's a veteran and provides leadership, but c'mon... should we take up a roster spot for that? Get this man in a suit, pronto! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bluedevils_13 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) The more I think about it the more it seems like one of the deciding factors in choosing Meech over Quincey may be the fact that Meech can be dressed as the 13th forward too when Chelios is heathy and taking the 7th Dman spot. Edited October 13, 2008 by Bluedevils_13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagnam 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Couldn't the Wings find a spot for him with the team elsewhere... like a defensive coach? It's just sad to wave g'bye to a prospect when we're still carrying a 47 yr. old defenseman that's past his prime and just too stubborn to hang 'em up... Sure he's a veteran and provides leadership, but c'mon... should we take up a roster spot for that? Get this man in a suit, pronto! With Chelios on the long term injury list he is neither taking a roster spot nor counting again the cap. So I don't see how having Chelios under contract had any affect on this decision. Edited October 13, 2008 by sagnam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 The more I think about it the more it seems like one of the deciding factors in choosing Meech over Quincey may be the fact that Meech can be dressed as the 13th forward too when Chelios is heathy and taking the 7th Dman spot. Obviously. He covers two depth spots with one player. In the cap age, that is invaluable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Yay! Him going to LA means I'll get to see him A LOT!!! Good Luck Kyle! esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bliz 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Maybe he'll get a chance to play in LA. I don't think it's a huge loss with all the young defensemen on the depth chart but it's a slight knock against Holland for letting him go for nothing in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 It's just sad to wave g'bye to a prospect when we're still carrying a 47 yr. old defenseman that's past his prime and just too stubborn to hang 'em up... The Wings are being loyal to Chelios to a fault. And that fault is that they let Quincey go because they bothered re-signing Chelios last summer. The Cheli thing is all nostalgia at this point. The Wings need to move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 The Wings are being loyal to Chelios to a fault. And that fault is that they let Quincey go because they bothered re-signing Chelios last summer. The Cheli thing is all nostalgia at this point. The Wings need to move on. Quincey was gone whether or not Chelios was signed. The only reason the Wings are carrying 8 defensemen is because of Chelios, they would've went with 7 without him. But that aside, Kyle Quincey hasn't been in the Wings long term plans for a while, his development has stalled and if it weren't this year it would be next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Ken Holland and Tom Lowell are both right in thinking that Chelios is still an invaluable part of the Detroit Red Wings defensive core and still has much to contribute. I would eleaborate but I've got to get back to work. 20 minute lunch break is almost over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 The Wings are being loyal to Chelios to a fault. And that fault is that they let Quincey go because they bothered re-signing Chelios last summer. The Cheli thing is all nostalgia at this point. The Wings need to move on. Amen. I'm a big Cheli fan, but I really wished he would've hung em up after last playoffs. I know he had knee surgery, but now that surgery and this injury for a 46 year old player, it's going to be a hard road back to being valuable on the ice. The Wings like to have their players "overripe" as Holland calls it by keeping them in the minors for so long. Now they've got a logjam and had to let a potentially good player go for nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Amen. I'm a big Cheli fan, but I really wished he would've hung em up after last playoffs. I know he had knee surgery, but now that surgery and this injury for a 46 year old player, it's going to be a hard road back to being valuable on the ice. The Wings like to have their players "overripe" as Holland calls it by keeping them in the minors for so long. Now they've got a logjam and had to let a potentially good player go for nothing. What could we have done had we gotten someone in return? We'd still have to let someone go, we'd still have too many Defense, and we'd still have a logjam in development. The only thing we would get would be a pick of some kind, which we really have no use for at this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Quincey was gone whether or not Chelios was signed. The only reason the Wings are carrying 8 defensemen is because of Chelios, they would've went with 7 without him. But that aside, Kyle Quincey hasn't been in the Wings long term plans for a while, his development has stalled and if it weren't this year it would be next year. No matter how you slice it, the ice time Chelios will get this year could have (in my opinion) been better spent on developing one of the young d-men in their system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heaton 1 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 No matter how you slice it, the ice time Chelios will get this year could have (in my opinion) been better spent on developing one of the young d-men in their system. On one hand you're right, on the other hand this is why this organization is so great. Quincey needed to move on and there was no room for him on this team. He's behind 3 people already entrenched in his role and that was not going to change unless there's a plethora of injuries. Once next year comes and Ericsson is out of options and on the team Quincey moves down even futher. Whether we like it or not, Lebda is going no where. Lilja is going no where for this season or the next and the top 4 is locked up. Holland really likes Meech and the Wings are determined to get him some games. Where does Quincey fit in? I don't know about you but in a pinch I'd rather play Chelios 8 minutes and 2-3 on the PK than some rookie with 13 games of experience. Quincey is the equivalent to Matt Ellis and after his poor training camp and average to below-average preseason, he sealed his own fate whether or not Chelios was here or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitBoy313 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 We gotta make room for Ericsson anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 No matter how you slice it, the ice time Chelios will get this year could have (in my opinion) been better spent on developing one of the young d-men in their system. Perhaps but if Quincey didn't have a chance then what does it matter in this situation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hankzet40 233 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 Sucks to see him go but the Wings were in a tough spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 The Wings are being loyal to Chelios to a fault. And that fault is that they let Quincey go because they bothered re-signing Chelios last summer. The Cheli thing is all nostalgia at this point. The Wings need to move on. You're absolutely right, but we're talking about, like, the 8th defenseman here. I don't mind the Wings' attitude of "loyal to a fault"....I think it reaps untold benefits in other areas. Prospects don't mind sticking with the Wings even if they could make the back end of a rotation elsewhere, and free agents don't mind signing with the Wings for less money and/or apparent security, because the Wings have that reputation of being loyal to their players. They know they'll be taken care of, and it lets the Wings pick and choose instead of sorting through the scraps. Take Jimmy Howard - you think a goalie in his position in any other organization would be OK with being sent to the AHL yet again? I think he sticks it out because he knows patience will be its own reward with this organization. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 I don't mind the Wings' attitude of "loyal to a fault"....I think it reaps untold benefits in other areas. I agree, it has peripheral benefits that go beyond gripes about the declining vet who still gets to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmorland 16 Report post Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) This is a win-win. Detroit frees up cap space and LA gets a player who will be a good 5 or 6 defenseman. Lets face it people, if he was that great, the wings would've dealt or put someone else on waivers. The wings have far better prospects worth protecting. Also, those who think Quincey is more valuable to this team at this point than Chelios need their heads checked. Yes, chelios is past his prime but can still contribute and he leadership is priceless on and off the ice. Good luck Kyle! Edited October 13, 2008 by mmorland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted October 14, 2008 Quincey was low on the depth chart and out of options. If not this year, than he'd be gone next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted October 14, 2008 Where are people coming up with this "If not Chelios, then Quincey" logic? If Chelios weren't signed, then Meech would be our 7th Dman. If Chelios AND Meech werent signed, then Lebda would likely be our 7th Dman Ericsson in the top 6. So if Chelios, Meech, AND Ericsson weren't in the picture then Quincey would find himself with the Wings, yet still in the 7th position after Lebda. The likelihood that this kid would ever find himself in a regular rotation with the Wings is slim to none. By the time his time came, I wouldnt be surprised if a guy like Kindl, Pyett, or Smith had surpassed him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted October 14, 2008 Hope he works out in LA, good luck to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted October 14, 2008 sucks to be kyle quincy right now...la might as well be hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elshupacabra 0 Report post Posted October 14, 2008 He'll get TONS of NHL playing time now that Jack Johnson is out for a month or two. Good for Kyle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
