Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 In this message board of all places I expected that this would come up sooner than this, but I feel that it needed to be brought up. I would happily eat a 24 pack of canned crow for breakfast lunch and dinner all the way to the finals with a Hossa MVP, but with his Robert Langlyness that I have seen in each preseason and regular season game so far, I am far from impressed. Is it just me or does he look uninterested, slow and unmotivated? I know its not the playoffs yet, but dammit have some heart. You have your best shot at a cup playing with the creme of the crop and everyoneon your line is scoring but you. Does anyone share these feelings to at least some degree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotzman 29 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 He has not looked great thus far... Too many cute passes and very little chemistry with Datsyuk so far. Not even close to Lang though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lfd250 1 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hudler is too small and he sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Too premature for this... Do you still think your username is true? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) 55 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Too premature for this... Do you still think your username is true? Haha, yeah. Its a little dated. If you note the "member since" date it might clue you into the timeframe that that username was created. While I was a huge Manny fan back in the day, I think that in all respects, any doubts people had in Chris are dead and buried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Well hossa can't be lazy cause he backchecks really good and no he doesn't suck but hasn't been great either. He has 3 pts tho in 4 games it's not that bad ... it's beginning of season I'm sure he will light it up sooner or later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoe 165 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 let's trade him at the deadline for 3 prospects and a 1st rounder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DyingAlive 27 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Haha, good to know. Well I think Hossa's problem is that he is gripping the stick to tightly. He just needs to loosen up and shoot the puck more. With more importance on that last part. Shoot the puck! That is what has made you a big name player. Shoot...The...Puck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shutemdown 23 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Ugh... just as you stated "I expected that this would come up sooner than this, but I feel that it needed to be brought up." , I knew this exact thread would come up as well. However, I disagree with most of your statements. Now, first off, it's easy to get antsy when your newly-signed, highly-anticipated free agent isn't scoring left and right, but is it really time to just write him off already? It's understandable that everyone here is a little uneasy about the start of our season, and already, the panic has set in and the votes have been cast: Hossa is a huge flop. WROOOOOOOOOOOOONG. Why freak out so early in the season? Hossa, although he hasn't scored and hasn't shot as much as he should, has played fairly well. Imagine coming onto a new team with new line-mates. Would you shoot everytime you got the puck or would you try and develop a play by passing to your teammates? He's just trying to build chemistry... for SOME players, chemistry takes awhile to build. It's not something that will just click overnight. Expecting a Pav/Hank chemistry right out the gate is just unrealistic. Realize that it may take a little bit of time before the ball gets rolling. Besides all of that, Hossa has already mustered 4 assists in 4 games? It's not horrible... I could name plenty of Red Wings players that haven't done even THAT. Now, don't get me wrong... I know that he hasn't been playing up to his full potential, but we're 4 games into the season, with Hossa playing on a BRAND NEW team. Give it time. It's far too early to hit the panic button or declare this signing a flop. Comparing him to Lang is an insult. Hossa has been fast as hell out there... I've seen him chasing down pucks all over the place and has been hustling. At least he's still putting up points while he's slumping in the goals department. He's also doing a great job of backchecking and being defensively responsible. If you expected 10 goals from him already, you're crazy. And just because he's not there yet doesn't mean he'll never get there. Give it time. Zetterberg has looked like s*** out there and people still give him the benefit of the doubt because he's proven on the team. Why discredit Hossa by saying he's lazy and slow just because he's taking some time to adapt? Give credit where credit is due... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 you know I believe that if we switched Dats and Z we would have much better results. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I personally think Babs should switch up the lines a bit... both Pavel and Hossa are natural playmakers and there is no one on the line really that can just bury it - they look great with all the fancy passes, but we need someone who can put it away. With this being said, we actually have very few natural scorers on the team, but a lot of playmakers - Z has said he wants to break the 50 goal plateau and has been firing a lot this year, Huds is a natural shooter and Franzen is a more natural goal scoring Holmstrom.... Flip is also a bonafied playmaker... with all that said here's what I think the lines should be, to mix it up and add some chemistry, and before you guys even get on me about Huds being top 2 line, give it a chance... Hossa-Zetterberg-Franzen Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Hudler Cleary-Filpulla-Kopecky Malby-Draper-Samuelsson I think these lines really capitalize on every players strengths and would make for some great chemistry... I REALLY think Huds would blossom on a line with Dats setting him up and Holmstrom out front screening/deflecting that shot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingnut in WA 86 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I think you need to look at the stats so far, even though he hasn't scored a goal yet he has 3 points in 4 games. I was at the game last night and he skated hard. He just has to get some chemistry with Dats and Homer. They played together all but twice during the preseason. He needs to develop some chemistry with Dats more then anyone, he still looks like he isn't ready for the puck in certain spots where Dats can get him the puck. Once he starts to get his stick down and just know Dats can get him the puck you will start to see the goals pile up. But instead of saying he is lazy and sucks be more constructive and look at his points so far, he is still adjusting to his new team, they are 4 games into the season... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I personally think Babs should switch up the lines a bit... both Pavel and Hossa are natural playmakers and there is no one on the line really that can just bury it - they look great with all the fancy passes, but we need someone who can put it away. With this being said, we actually have very few natural scorers on the team, but a lot of playmakers - Z has said he wants to break the 50 goal plateau and has been firing a lot this year, Huds is a natural shooter and Franzen is a more natural goal scoring Holmstrom.... Flip is also a bonafied playmaker... with all that said here's what I think the lines should be, to mix it up and add some chemistry, and before you guys even get on me about Huds being top 2 line, give it a chance... Hossa-Zetterberg-Franzen Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Hudler Cleary-Filpulla-Kopecky Malby-Draper-Samuelsson I think these lines really capitalize on every players strengths and would make for some great chemistry... I REALLY think Huds would blossom on a line with Dats setting him up and Holmstrom out front screening/deflecting that shot... QFT Make it happen Babs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Had Hossa begun racking up points in the pre-season and early in the season -then I would worry because those players usually wear off quickly, but Hossa has been around long enough to know that no cups are won in October. Hossa is a reliable scorer, I think once he gets going he can score 40 again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 In this message board of all places I expected that this would come up sooner than this, but I feel that it needed to be brought up. I would happily eat a 24 pack of canned crow for breakfast lunch and dinner all the way to the finals with a Hossa MVP, but with his Robert Langlyness that I have seen in each preseason and regular season game so far, I am far from impressed. Is it just me or does he look uninterested, slow and unmotivated? I know its not the playoffs yet, but dammit have some heart. You have your best shot at a cup playing with the creme of the crop and everyoneon your line is scoring but you. Does anyone share these feelings to at least some degree? Ahhh Dats is scoreless too???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
finalfilppula 2 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 put hank and pav back together. hossa's still in disbelief that he's playing with us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigWinston 15 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Is 4 games and only 1 week into the season a realistic time to judge a players worth? Absolutely not, it's a ridiculous question. Even in other sports such as football, basketball, baseball or soccer its too short a time to judge a player. Take Cabrera for the Tigers this last season. Yes I know the team sucked as a whole for the vast majority of the regular season, but Cabrera's numbers took a while to look decent, at least 15 to 20 games. It takes the best players longer to realize their potential in a new team. Also, just look at his numbers..... Form is temporary, class is permanent! Once Hossa gets his first RW goal, the flood gates will open.... as the guy from Men's warehouse says... "I guarantee it!" (in a fake gruff and husky voice). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firehawk 305 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I don't think Hossa has looked good, but it's been 4 games guys. He's on a team he probably never had so much talent around. The entire Wings team has not looked good for more than half the games played thus far. In my opinion, we should be lucky we're not 1-3 right now. While we're at it, how many players have goals? I mean, many players haven't done much, including Zetterberg. He's got one open netter, big deal. Let's keep this all in perspective. They are coming off a great season, they just saw the president, hopefully the festivities are winding down and they can focus now... I have no doubt in my mind that Babcock will get them focused. I would wait until 10-15 games to start ramming the players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I remember reading something about dats and z last year. z said with dats....you don't have to look for the pass to come...its a wink and a nod and they knew what eachother was going to do. Hossa hasn't had much experience playing with dats yet...i say by the 10 game mark, we start to see some AMAZING setups and goals between the 2 of them...but in the mean time...holmstrom and franzen can lead our team in points lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I said it before the season negan, but I felt it was a mistake splitting up ZDH. You have the best line inthe league, with Rafa and Lids they make up a five-some that shuts down the opponents first line AND scores a ton of goals. Other teams are scared ****less when our big 5 are on the ice - why split that up. I'd go Dats-Zetterberg-Homer Franzen-Flip-Hossa Cleary-Draper-Sammy (this line was great in the playoffs and produced Sammys best play in a winged wheel) Hudler-Helm-Kopecky/Maltby On D I can see Lebda being dropped for Meech, and I do wonder if he'll mix up the top 4 given how brutal Kronner & Stewie have been. Memo everyone - this is NOT a panic post. Despite their poor play the Wings are currently on course for a 102 point season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 let's trade him at the deadline for 3 prospects and a 1st rounder. Hossa has some form of a non-movement clause in his contract. He's not going anywhere atleast until the end of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hossa is going to score his first goal on Saturday. And then about 39 goals after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashenhigh 9 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 I said it before the season negan, but I felt it was a mistake splitting up ZDH. You have the best line inthe league, with Rafa and Lids they make up a five-some that shuts down the opponents first line AND scores a ton of goals. Other teams are scared ****less when our big 5 are on the ice - why split that up. I'd go Dats-Zetterberg-Homer Franzen-Flip-Hossa Cleary-Draper-Sammy (this line was great in the playoffs and produced Sammys best play in a winged wheel) Hudler-Helm-Kopecky/Maltby On D I can see Lebda being dropped for Meech, and I do wonder if he'll mix up the top 4 given how brutal Kronner & Stewie have been. Memo everyone - this is NOT a panic post. Despite their poor play the Wings are currently on course for a 102 point season I COMPLETELY agree with you. I personally dont like seeing Ledba jump into the rush. When your defense partner is Lilja, and you are on the third line, huge mistakes are bound to happen, such as the 3v1 we had last night. Would love to see Helm and Meech play more, even Leino. Hossa has not impressed me at all this season thus far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 17, 2008 Hossa is going to score his first goal on Saturday. And then about 39 goals after that. Now you're just being naive :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted October 17, 2008 LOL @ this thread..... Too soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
