Giving up too many goals

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Any team, especially the Red Wings, have the ability on a game by game basis, of making any goalie look really good, or really bad. Still, the goalie has to step up, if the team isn't clicking.

I will miss Dom. So will the Red Wings, I believe. But he's gone now, and I am grateful he got the hint and left. Another turn here would not have served him well, even though I believe he was capable of playing well, still.

Ozzie has to play better. I will stop short of posting his save percentage (.884) every day, as evidence of that -- unlike posters of yore who did that ad nauseum when Hasek was a Wing.

The Wings are giving up too many goals. It is partly an issue with the goalies. Conklin is no slouch. Ozzie needs to wake up. He's made a few nice saves, but he has to make the ones that count, too.

Jesus. Hasek isn't on the team any more and you're still crying in threads about how he was treated. He retired. Get over it.

I don't know why the Wings would miss Dom. He was mediocre at best last season, and they definitely didn't miss him last postseason so I can't imagine why it would change now. And it wasn't a hint. Choosing Osgood over him in the postseason is saying pretty clearly "We don't think you give us the best chance to win Hasek." Dom still seems to want to play hockey, there's just not a team in the NHL that would offer him a job as starter.

Ozzy's made more than a nice few saves. The Rangers were going to the net at will last night. That has to change. This whole team needs to find their A game, Ozzy included.

Edited for crapload of typos and grammar.

Edited October 19, 2008 by haroldsnepsts

[puckloo39 5,686]

Jesus. Hasek isn't on the team any more and you're still crying in threads about how he was treated. He retired. Get over it.

And I don't know why the Wings would miss Dom. He was mediocre at best last season, and they definitely didn't miss him last postseason so I can't imagine why it would change now. And it wasn't a hint. Choosing Osgood over him in the postseason is saying pretty clearly "We don't think you give us the best chance to win Hasek." Dom still seems to want to play hockey, there's just not a team in the NHL that would offer him a job as starter.

Ozzy's made more than a nice few saves. The Rangers were going to the net at will last night. That has to change. This whole team needs to find their A game, Ozzy included.

Jesus. It's a discussion forum. It's my point of view. So, you don't agree with me. So what? Bias and unfairness is part of life, and that is what happened last season. Hasek is too smart to come back to the NHL, by the way. Good for him. I haven't seen one bit of evidence that no other team wants him, or that he's interested.

As for Ozzie, he needs to play better. 30th in the league wasn't acceptable last season for the #1, but it is now? That is what the number 1 goalie is supposed to do when his team is out of synch, play better. All I was pointing out is that when Hasek performed the same last season, no one stood up for him aside from me -- and the circumstances were the same. Ozzie gets a pat on the back and excuses. Hasek would have had his head ripped off and handed to him for the same start this season. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what happened last season.

I think Ozzie will play better, but in the meanwhile, unless you are totally biased and blind to the facts, there is no way you can say they were treated the same last season. Hasek made a lot of nice saves, but they in no way influenced the bashers in this forum, or the media.

Ozzie knows better than anyone that it won't take much (or anything, really) for the masses to turn on him.

Edited October 19, 2008 by puckloo39

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

It's a discussion forum. It's my point of view. So, you don't agree. So what? Bias and unfairness is part of life, and that is what happened last season. Hasek is too smart to come back to the NHL, by the way.

As for Ozzie, he needs to play better. That is what the number 1 goalie is supposed to do. All I was pointing out is that when Hasek performed the same last season, no one stood up for him aside from me -- and the circumstances were the same. Ozzie gets a pat on the back and excuses. Hasek would have had his head ripped off and handed to him for the same start this season. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what happened last season.

I think Ozzie will play better, but in the meanwhile, unless you are totally biased and blind to the facts, there is no way you can say they were treated the same last season. Hasek made a lot of nice saves, but they in no way influenced the bashers in this forum, or the media.

Ozzie knows better than anyone that it won't take much (or anything, really) for the masses to turn on him.

And the ten years before that Ozzy generally got nothing but bashed here. so does that make it even?

Hasek

is

retired.

He no longer plays for the Red Wings.

Last season is gone. Move on. Please.

Pretty please.

good lord.

[puckloo39 5,686]

And the ten years before that Ozzy generally got nothing but bashed here. so does that make it even?

Hasek

is

retired.

He no longer plays for the Red Wings.

Last season is gone. Move on. Please.

Pretty please.

good lord.

yes, oh Lord and Master.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

yes, oh Lord and Master.

Here's a link to the Red Wings roster, in case you need to brush up on who is on the team and who isn't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/teams/stats?team=det

[eva unit zero 271]

It's a discussion forum. It's my point of view. So, you don't agree. So what? Bias and unfairness is part of life, and that is what happened last season. Hasek is too smart to come back to the NHL, by the way.

As for Ozzie, he needs to play better. That is what the number 1 goalie is supposed to do. All I was pointing out is that when Hasek performed the same last season, no one stood up for him aside from me -- and the circumstances were the same. Ozzie gets a pat on the back and excuses. Hasek would have had his head ripped off and handed to him for the same start this season. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what happened last season.

I think Ozzie will play better, but in the meanwhile, unless you are totally biased and blind to the facts, there is no way you can say they were treated the same last season. Hasek made a lot of nice saves, but they in no way influenced the bashers in this forum, or the media.

Ozzie knows better than anyone that it won't take much (or anything, really) for the masses to turn on him.

Loo, you are proving you have blinders on, and here's why:

Hasek played one game all season, playoffs included, where the Wings gave up 30 or more shots. This was a 3-2 loss to Ottawa on January 12th. Osgood has been playing behind a Wings team that has been playing, to put it bluntly, much worse defensively. No, Osgood hasn't played as well as he did last season, and yes, he can play better. But Hasek last season wasn't playing behind a team that was playing very poorly; the team was playing quite well defensively and limiting and Hasek was still doing poorly much of the time. The reason Osgood and Hasek weren't treated the same last season? Hasek played like crap much of the time and Osgood was awesome 98% of the time. If two guys are in the same situation (goaltenders behind a defense, quarterbacks behind an O-line, etc.) and one performs much better than the other does, he'll probably get much better treatment by most fans. Not hard to fathom.

Hasek was a great goalie, and his decline in performance last year likely had to do mainly with age combined with some nagging injuries. It doesn't diminish his status as one of the greatest goaltenders ever; you shouldn't let bitterness over the fact that other fans preferred a younger Osgood who outplayed him last season turn you off to another one of the game's great goaltenders. It would be like an Yzerman fan deciding he didn't like Fedorov because of all the media attention in 1994.

[maltbymaniac 13]

im siding with puckloo... so lets dance. just joking,cant we all just get along.

[puckloo39 5,686]

im siding with puckloo... so lets dance. just joking,cant we all just get along.

Of course, we can't all get along here. But there's a first time for everything, I suppose.

note to Eva, we can just agree to disagree.

Edited October 20, 2008 by puckloo39

[Donaldjr2448 43]

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but we are giving up waaaaaaaay too many shots. Hell NYR had 32 shots with 10 minutes left in the game lastnight, and then all of a sudden they didn't get another one, they ended with 32 shots, that tells me that we were simply not playing our game on D!! They finally woke the F up and played Redwings Defense, that also includes the FORWARDS!!! Its not just Lilja or Lebda or Ozzie, its everyone and they know that!! The last ten minutes and the OT was the best hockey we have played this season IMO!!

[YoungGuns1340 1]

If you look at the shot chart on ESPN, three of those goals with the exception of the one banked off Ozzy were scored right in the slot. The Rangers could carry the puck in front of the net virtually untouched for most of the game. That's got to change.

Bingo. This has been going on EVERY game. The opposition is going straight up the gut or cutting into the slot off the wing completely unimpeded. If you allow ANY goaltender to see those shots game in and game out, hes going to get hung out to dry.

I haven't been wowed by the goaltending overall, but I'll be damned if both Osgood and Conklin haven't been making some HUGE saves. In fact, in terms of big saves, Osgood is making considerably more impressive saves than he was making (see: had to make) during all of last season.

I can't believe people would even start to pin this on goaltending alone. If you look at the game objectively, then NONE of our defenseman are playing as well as they can. Not even Norris Nick himself should get away with the product on the ice. Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Lebda, Lilja, Lidstrom - ALL of them are not playing as well as they can and I'm guessing if you broke down each play that has lead to a goal, it could've been avoided easily by one of our Dmen.

I really don't understand how you can't attribute the crappy defense, the number of shots against, and the amount of turnovers to poor defensive play as opposed to goaltending.

[XxGoWingsxX 0]

i think one of our main defensive problems is that we're being too afraid to take the body. I've yet to really see anyone get physical in our own zone to get the puck from the other team. Its as if the guys are trying TOO hard to stay in position and not hard enough to take an occasional chance at knocking someone away from the puck. Aside from datsyuk and his takeaways...the wings seems to only be using their sticks..not their bodies to get the puck away from other teams

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Largely on the defense. I haven't seen Osgood really give up much that would seem to be soft goals. Goaltending isn't the big problem and just put Conklin in every now and then like normal, defense just needs to play better.

I agree with RB....while the defense has left something to be desired, Ozzie currently isn't playing at the level he did last spring. It's not to say that there's anything wrong with Oz, just that he (and the defense) need to tighten things up.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Ozzie needs to play a lot better. The D needs to stop with the breakdowns. It goes both ways.

[OsGOD 3]

lol last year it was Yeah dom sucks now but he gets better as the season goes on... now its Ozzie sucks and I think he will just suck! (keeping in mind Ozzie bailed out dom to win us the cup)

LMAO classic Thread I needed the Laughs today, so much more worse s*** going on in the real world!

Its like 5 games into an 82 game season and we are starting this already... geeesh people go watch some other teams so you really have something to ***** about in the goalie department.

Edited October 20, 2008 by OsGOD

[maltbymaniac 13]

your right there is no need for discussion on the forums.

*forgot to add, jk lol.

Edited October 20, 2008 by maltbymaniac

[OsGOD 3]

Not assine stuff like OMG our goalies are playing bad after 5 games... OMG OMG we suck! Thats just silly

[Datzooky 0]

Yay goalie's fault thread. We should just start one of these the first game of the season every year.

These are fun to read, thanks for starting it.

[steveyzerman 0]

Osgood is a .900 goalie. If we keep giving up 40 shots a game, our goals against will go up accordingly.

God damn defense. Lilja needs to go.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Osgood is a .900 goalie. If we keep giving up 40 shots a game, our goals against will go up accordingly.

God damn defense. Lilja needs to go.

Yeah, its rough having the most complete defense in the game. [/sarcasm]

It's 5 games in, people.

[Dabura 12,232]

^^^ In all fairness, the D has been brutal.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Osgood is a .900 goalie. If we keep giving up 40 shots a game, our goals against will go up accordingly.

God damn defense. Lilja needs to go.

Why Lilja? Brett Lebda is easily the worst defenseman on the team. Meech should really have Lebda's spot when Stuart comes back. Lilja provides far more to the Red Wings than Lebda ever will.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

^^^ In all fairness, the D has been brutal.

Not arguing....but in all fairness, its been 5 games.

[Dabura 12,232]

And in those 5 games, the D has been brutal. And people are complaining about it. Which, to me, is fine, as long as people realize the season isn't over.