Capitals' Semin not Impressed by Crosby

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Semin can definately snipe better than crosby

the stats don't lie

ive never really seen him have a highlight reel goal

do you watch hockey highlights ever?

The one thing crosby is elite is his ability to pass into the slot, but in all joe thornton is better than him

Crosby has elite vision, core strength, and anticipation, it's arguable who's a better set up man him or Joe Thornton

i dont think crosby is #1 at anything in this league

you mean besides scoring points, or....

this thread is hilarious, it seems everyone taking Semin's side is like "yeah alright! Semin is so0o0 right Crosby SUX!" and everyone thinking Semin is a dink for flapping his lips about one of the best players in the world has stats to back it up

[Drake_Marcus 890]

dude you can't rip on an "lol" then bust out a *sigh* and a *shudders* ...not cool!

anyways who cares about when the draft is, Ovechkin has had 2 more years of progression than Crosby, he's 2 years older, that's all I'm saying

ok you busted out a Babcock quote saying the Sharks and the Rangers are the two best teams in the league, that makes it official eh... over the fact the Pens and Wings went to the finals last year lol

and I don't get the whole Lindros thing... he was labelled the most dominant hockey player of his time in his prime and Crosby has had just as much, if not more success in his young career, already reaching the Stanley Cup finals... because Lindros was injury prone and had a soft melon does that mean Crosby will as well? don't really see how that is relevant.

all Crosby has done since he's entered the league is produce and progress... sure he gets a TON of hype but he is so humble that he makes a great role model for the game and he's a great player for kids to look up to.. I don't care if people don't like him or don't like watching him but it's an absolute joke that people try to deprive him of what he's accomplished simply because he's the NHL poster boy... is he supposed to NOT help the NHL when they come to him and ask him to try and promote the game..?

what exactly do people want? I see NHL commercials all the time that are of players other than Crosby.. is it jealousy that someone so young has already achieved so much more in his life than you have?? are people upset because they've wanted Crosby to fail so bad but he continues to get better and better?

he is an unreal player, so is Datsyuk, so is Zetterberg, so is Iginla.. if the NHL chooses to market Crosby in particular because he's young and North American and he continues to be one of the best players year after year how is he an underachiever or not living up to the hype.... doesn't make sense at all

Huh? I applied for my first patent at the age of 20. And the patent was for a device used in cancer therapy. So I guess it depends on what you value. I'm very happy with my intellectual success at a young age. I'd love to have been a hockey player but my god given talents were in physics and engineering. I'm rather happy with where I am in my career path. I hold zero jealousy toward Crosby. I'd rather work and achieve success in my own passions, not live vicariously through his.

What you seem to struggle with is how some people won't elevate Crosby from elite NHL player to Wayne Gretzky part II. Well he's not. When Bobby Orr was in his fourth NHL season he won the Stanley Cup, Norris Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, Hart Trophy, and Conn Smythe Trophy. He's the only NHL player to have ever done that. And he did it as a 21/22 year old (he was born in March, so he turned 22 before the end of the season if the NHL season lasted past March). In his second season in the league he won the fricking Norris and held on to it for nearly a decade. Orr's first season was on a horrible Bruins team that couldn't buy a trip to the playoffs. He single handedly pulled them to the playoffs the next year and kept them there for almost 30 years (or some stretch like that). Crosby's certainly not the only person to have done great s*** at a young age.

And for f*** sakes- stop saying he was the youngest captain in NHL history. That dude on the Sabres was. Everyone just likes ignoring that fact.

And Lecavalier was named captain of the Lightning in his second season too, he just has the misfortune of being born a few months later than Crosby, thus relegating his achievement to near pointlessness and killing his quest to gather insignificant achievements by simple virtue of birthdate.

I can't wait until someone names a 18 year old rookie captain just to get the press.

I'm done with this tread. This whole argument is like trying to convince a Scientologist they're not part of a cult.

Why the f*** are people so obsessed with defending the outrageous claims that have been attached to Crosby? Why are you so personally offended that he isn't the next Gretzky?

[uncle ovipositor 6]

I think Crosby's got a lot of raw skill, and he's obviously put in the hours. It's kind of like how musical prodigies always end up playing classical or lame jazz. What they excell at is the formal stuff, and they practice all the time to improve on that. But the formal stuff isn't what makes music interesting, and no matter how many charts you've memorized or double-stops you've mastered, it never gets past technique. If you don't feel it, neither do the people listening, and the end result is a dull sort of respect.

I think Crosby screwed himself by staying with the Pens. He's the best player on the team, and there's nobody there to push him - something he needs because he's only 21. And the team's gotten worse this year, while the rest of the division has gotten better. Hopefully either he leaves (unlikely) or they get some better/other veteran players in the line-up so he can improve (only slightly more likely). But as it stands I think he might have hit his glass ceiling.

His skill will get him far, but I'll take Iginla any day.

[skacore 2]

Huh? I applied for my first patent at the age of 20. And the patent was for a device used in cancer therapy. So I guess it depends on what you value. I'm very happy with my intellectual success at a young age. I'd love to have been a hockey player but my god given talents were in physics and engineering. I'm rather happy with where I am in my career path. I hold zero jealousy toward Crosby. I'd rather work and achieve success in my own passions, not live vicariously through his.

What you seem to struggle with is how some people won't elevate Crosby from elite NHL player to Wayne Gretzky part II. Well he's not. When Bobby Orr was in his fourth NHL season he won the Stanley Cup, Norris Trophy, Art Ross Trophy, Hart Trophy, and Conn Smythe Trophy. He's the only NHL player to have ever done that. And he did it as a 21/22 year old (he was born in March, so he turned 22 before the end of the season if the NHL season lasted past March). In his second season in the league he won the fricking Norris and held on to it for nearly a decade. Orr's first season was on a horrible Bruins team that couldn't buy a trip to the playoffs. He single handedly pulled them to the playoffs the next year and kept them there for almost 30 years (or some stretch like that). Crosby's certainly not the only person to have done great s*** at a young age.

And for f*** sakes- stop saying he was the youngest captain in NHL history. That dude on the Sabres was. Everyone just likes ignoring that fact.

And Lecavalier was named captain of the Lightning in his second season too, he just has the misfortune of being born a few months later than Crosby, thus relegating his achievement to near pointlessness and killing his quest to gather insignificant achievements by simple virtue of birthdate.

I can't wait until someone names a 18 year old rookie captain just to get the press.

I'm done with this tread. This whole argument is like trying to convince a Scientologist they're not part of a cult.

Why the f*** are people so obsessed with defending the outrageous claims that have been attached to Crosby? Why are you so personally offended that he isn't the next Gretzky?

Everyone loves bringing up Gretzky.... I haven't made a Gretzky comparison ONCE... it's a new brand of hockey and it's hard to compare it to the past... and wow that's nuts that Bobby Orr kept the Bruins in the playoffs for 30 years when his career was like 11 or 12 years hahahahah

Bobby Orr won the Norris in his 2nd year that's fantastic... Crosby won the scoring race in his 2nd year... both fantastic accomplishments... Orr is considered by some the greater player of all time.... so what exactly were you trying to prove there?

I'm done with this tread.

thank god I'm getting tired of pointing out and explaining the basic fundamentals of hockey to some posters on here

[Doc Holiday 0]

Nick Lidstrom is boring to watch. He's honestly one of the most boring players to watch I could probably think of. But I sure as well wouldn't want him anywhere else than on the Detroit blueline.

Out of curiosity what exciting defensemen can you name? Personally the ones who make the exciting plays are the guys who score the goals.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Everyone loves bringing up Gretzky.... I haven't made a Gretzky comparison ONCE... it's a new brand of hockey and it's hard to compare it to the past... and wow that's nuts that Bobby Orr kept the Bruins in the playoffs for 30 years when his career was like 11 or 12 years hahahahah

You really don't have a clue, do you? You do understand that part of the reason why the Wings are where they are right now is because of the example set by Yzerman. The sacrifice, leadership and commitment exhibited by Yzerman helped mold Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Yzerman's legacy lasted longer than his career. Orr brought the Bruins from the brink of pointlessness into a proud franchise. Orr most definitely did effect that franchise after his career was ended. That was my point. Christ- I have no idea why I'm wasting my time posting this, but I do know it's not for your sake.

Bobby Orr won the Norris in his 2nd year that's fantastic... Crosby won the scoring race in his 2nd year... both fantastic accomplishments... Orr is considered by some the greater player of all time.... so what exactly were you trying to prove there?

You honestly seem to struggle with reading comprehension, don't you? My point was written directly in my post: "Crosby's certainly not the only person to have done great s*** at a young age."

thank god I'm getting tired of pointing out and explaining the basic fundamentals of hockey to some posters on here

You do understand the word 'fundamentals', right? How does the degree of talent possessed by Crosby have anything to do with explaining the fundamentals of hockey? Did someone here ask for advice on what an offside is? What constitutes a wrist shot?

Or are you attempting to be condescending because you feel that it somehow helps your argument?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Semin can definately snipe better than crosby, there was one time i think in the olympics where Semin just freaking wired a wrist shot from the blueline right into the top corner no chance for the goalie who may have been Lundquist i dont remember. he can also roof it at any given point on the ice. Crosby is definately better but Semin is definately alot funner to watch than crosby and semin can still be considered somewhat of an elite forward. Semin may have the best wrist shot in the league. Crosby is well rounded offensively although ive never really seen him have a highlight reel goal or just light it up like semin does. prople dont realize how many empty nets and secondary assists crosby gets and how many garbage goals he gets by sitting in the same spot every time next to the goal where retarded dmen don't bother to cover him. The one thing crosby is elite is his ability to pass into the slot, but in all joe thornton is better than him. i dont think crosby is #1 at anything in this league, but hes near the top in enough of them for him to be a top 10 player but no where near #1.

Seriously?

Man, people really hate Crosby dont they? Semin hasnt done anything so far in his career, 3 more points then Crosby 11 games in, nice! People need to realize being the "next Gretzky" and "best player in the NHL" are different. This guy has scored 307 points in 224 games. Regardless of the name, age or team, that's incredible. But people will continue to bring up the fact he's in commercials and that he whines, deal with it. Yzerman whined too, not as much as Sid, but he still did the unholy deed, or at least that's what it seems like around here. Yzerman was in commercials too, not as many as Sid, but the point is, he did it too. Get off the guys back, what has he ever done? Called out his team and the Wings in the media during the Finals? Shame on him, not like emotions take over on the biggest stage of the game or anything.

Edited November 2, 2008 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[skacore 2]

My point was written directly in my post: "Crosby's certainly not the only person to have done great s*** at a young age."

OK so you just compared Sidney Crosby's accomplishments to Bobby Orr's yet again, like you said dude, you're done in this thread...

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

Why should THAT be considered as a plus for Crosby?

Crosby is boring player to watch, he is boring to listen to. Some people are sick of the Crosby-mania. Some people think he is not the best player in the game. Simple as that.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Huh? I applied for my first patent at the age of 20. And the patent was for a device used in cancer therapy. So I guess it depends on what you value. I'm very happy with my intellectual success at a young age. I'd love to have been a hockey player but my god given talents were in physics and engineering. I'm rather happy with where I am in my career path. I hold zero jealousy toward Crosby. I'd rather work and achieve success in my own passions, not live vicariously through his.

Why the f*** are people so obsessed with defending the outrageous claims that have been attached to Crosby? Why are you so personally offended that he isn't the next Gretzky?

Take a look at the response to this thread and this whole board's reaction to Crosby - way more people hate the guy rather then defending him. You guys get yourselves so worked up about him that every little thing some one says against Crosby warrants its own thread and the guy who says it is a frickin' martyr and your new hero.

Its ridiculous the amount of attention you guys pay to Crosby seeing as you guys have such a vendetta against the kid. Give it a rest. Crosby is not marketing himself, the NHL is marketing him. He is a great player, and possibly the best in the league - its about time you guys learn how to ignore the media zurring and just watch hockey.

p.s. Anyone just listen to Don Cherry on HNIC? He actually made an intelligent point about this issue.

Edited November 2, 2008 by Yzerfan1999

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Seriously?

Man, people really hate Crosby dont they? Semin hasnt done anything so far in his career, 3 more points then Crosby 11 games in, nice! People need to realize being the "next Gretzky" and "best player in the NHL" are different. This guy has scored 307 points in 224 games. Regardless of the name, age or team, that's incredible. But people will continue to bring up the fact he's in commercials and that he whines, deal with it. Yzerman whined too, not as much as Sid, but he still did the unholy deed, or at least that's what it seems like around here. Yzerman was in commercials too, not as many as Sid, but the point is, he did it too. Get off the guys back, what has he ever done? Called out his team and the Wings in the media during the Finals? Shame on him, not like emotions take over on the biggest stage of the game or anything.

Ok, i mean a highlight goal that takes a lot more skill and doesn't involve unnecessary diving. Se these:

and btw Crosby whines after every play, i was at gm 2 of the finals and watched him complain every shift and even from teh bench. He even started yelling at one of the ice kids at one point.

I hate Crosby, whats wrong with that, i still consider him a top 10 player, but hes also the one of the most overrated players in the game.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Oh, I was aware that you hated Crosby. And that's exactly why I dont even want to really get started in this topic. Everyone hates him, and want to see him fail. When you argue that he's great and will acheieve great things, you get conflict. Also, I like the "unnecessary diving" when you posted the videos, not showing your bias at all there. But I guess I understand, if someone argued that Claude Lemieux was great, I'd say how much he sucks too, because I hate him. But that doesnt mean he isnt one of the greatest playoff performers of all time, it's the way at look at him is clouded because of my bias.

Edited November 2, 2008 by Detroit # 1 Fan

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Oh, I was aware that you hated Crosby. And that's exactly why I dont even want to really get started in this topic. Everyone hates him, and want to see him fail. When you argue that he's great and will acheieve great things, you get conflict. Also, I like the "unnecessary diving" when you posted the videos, not showing your bias at all there. But I guess I understand, if someone argued that Claude Lemieux was great, I'd say how much he sucks too, because I hate him. But that doesnt mean he isnt one of the greatest playoff performers of all time, it's the way at look at him is clouded because of my bias.

I never said he wasn't great but he is overrated. That dive crosby made on that goal wasn't needed to put the puck in the net, its still a highlight reel goal because obviously the guys at TSN have crushes on Crosby like most Canadian Media. if someone like Kopecky scored that people would just say, oh it was a pretty decent goal. On that goal filpula scored in the finals, people were calling that an unneeded dive, i think that one had far more credibility than crosby's.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Now that is just stupid. You are quoting 10 records and 9 of them are based on his birthday.

Who cares what year he was born.

He's undeniably a great offensive player but he is not Wayne Gretsky and he has a way to go to be as good defensivly as he is offesively.

But please stop quoting "birthday" records they are meaninless. "youngest captain in NHL history" yea, that means alot.

Are you ******* stupid or something? You see no significance whatsoever as being the youngest player in NHL history to best so many records?

WTF would impress you Einstein?

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Just like Obama...

Who is Obama Chris? Oh wait, he's your next President. HAHAHA!

Sucka!

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Maybe because he only played 53 games?

Oh snap! chrisdetroit getting PWNED for his stupidity.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Ok, i mean a highlight goal that takes a lot more skill and doesn't involve unnecessary diving. Se these:

and btw Crosby whines after every play, i was at gm 2 of the finals and watched him complain every shift and even from teh bench. He even started yelling at one of the ice kids at one point.

I hate Crosby, whats wrong with that, i still consider him a top 10 player, but hes also the one of the most overrated players in the game.

Well that solidifies it. Crosby is a whiny ***** and he sucks. They should trade him for Robert Lang.

wow, you were at Game 2 and he complained. You know what, I see you complaining about Crosby complaining so I'm convinced. You're a whiny ***** as well.

[eva unit zero 271]

Are you ******* stupid or something? You see no significance whatsoever as being the youngest player in NHL history to best so many records?

WTF would impress you Einstein?

Not when he did it because of when in the year his birthday fell.

The real question is, if Alexander Ovechkin had been born two days earlier, would he hold all of those records, unbreakably? He would have been able to play in the 2003-04 season, and would have been a younger rookie than Crosby, whose birthday is August 7th (the draft cutoff is Sept 15th, which explains why so few players can contend with Crosby's birthday records)

[CrossoverThrash 0]

Well that solidifies it. Crosby is a whiny ***** and he sucks. They should trade him for Robert Lang.

wow, you were at Game 2 and he complained. You know what, I see you complaining about Crosby complaining so I'm convinced. You're a whiny ***** as well.

Youre whining at me so you are too a whining *****, even though neither of us is whining, were actually arguing, theres no where i said Crosby should be traded for R. lang. All ive said this whole thread is Crosby is overrated and too many people here are being sympathetic to him not being the best player in the leauge and people bashing Semin, which he shouldn't be, he never said he himself was better than Crosby, he was echoing a statement that a lot of poeple, and players, obbviously share. Semin is still a good player, not Crosby's caliber but some of you have to get over it.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Not when he did it because of when in the year his birthday fell.

The real question is, if Alexander Ovechkin had been born two days earlier, would he hold all of those records, unbreakably? He would have been able to play in the 2003-04 season, and would have been a younger rookie than Crosby, whose birthday is August 7th (the draft cutoff is Sept 15th, which explains why so few players can contend with Crosby's birthday records)

Agree.

I think we are all off focus, with a Crosby sucks vs. Crosby is god separation. To me what Semin was saying is dead on, and what he was saying is this: Crosby, beyond his youth, is just another GREAT player, but you've decided to put him on a pedestal and ignore a league full of similar superstars that have other talents besides simply getting points and being young.

Does Crosby deserve press? Yes. Does he deserve 90% of the press? Hell no. Crosby goes anywhere, does anything, someone is there with a camera. Ovechkin who is equally good, more of a goal scorer, more physical, and in many people's opinion a much more exciting player, we hear about in the 10 minutes before and after he wins the Calder or Hart.

The point is that Crosby isn't Gretzky, he is not heads and shoulders above the rest, he is near the top of the pack and he is young, but what happened to the rest of the pack, can we see some of them??

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Out of curiosity what exciting defensemen can you name? Personally the ones who make the exciting plays are the guys who score the goals.

It seriously wasn't a knock on Lidstrom. His greatness is usually because of the things that don't happen.

Kronwall's hits, and even some of the nice dekes he makes on the blueline, are more exciting to watch than most things Lids does on the ice.

Hits, fights and goals are among the more exciting things in hockey. Lids doesn't really do any of those but score goals. His one timer is a thing of beauty. But half of those are tipped by Homer anyway.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

OK so you just compared Sidney Crosby's accomplishments to Bobby Orr's yet again, like you said dude, you're done in this thread...

That's the best response you can come up with?

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Not when he did it because of when in the year his birthday fell.

The real question is, if Alexander Ovechkin had been born two days earlier, would he hold all of those records, unbreakably? He would have been able to play in the 2003-04 season, and would have been a younger rookie than Crosby, whose birthday is August 7th (the draft cutoff is Sept 15th, which explains why so few players can contend with Crosby's birthday records)

Thank you.

Once again people- it's ok to say Crosby is an elite, elite NHL player but say he's not the next Gretzky in the same sentence.

Why the f*** can't people just accept that a good chunk of the population believes Crosby is an elite NHL player but they don't necessarily believe he's the greatest player of the last two decades?

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Agree.

I think we are all off focus, with a Crosby sucks vs. Crosby is god separation. To me what Semin was saying is dead on, and what he was saying is this: Crosby, beyond his youth, is just another GREAT player, but you've decided to put him on a pedestal and ignore a league full of similar superstars that have other talents besides simply getting points and being young.

Does Crosby deserve press? Yes. Does he deserve 90% of the press? Hell no. Crosby goes anywhere, does anything, someone is there with a camera. Ovechkin who is equally good, more of a goal scorer, more physical, and in many people's opinion a much more exciting player, we hear about in the 10 minutes before and after he wins the Calder or Hart.

The point is that Crosby isn't Gretzky, he is not heads and shoulders above the rest, he is near the top of the pack and he is young, but what happened to the rest of the pack, can we see some of them??

Another intelligent summary of what some of us have been fighting to get the Crosby fanatics to understand.

[thedisappearer 291]

Semin is a clueless idiot who sounds like some basketball fan when he talks about hockey.

Sorry, couldn't resist.