Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2008 Im pretty sure the TRUE attendence has easily been that low. Numourus times the wings have said a games sold out yet there will be the usual gaping amounts of emtpy seat. Last season, especially when playing Columbus for the 4th time in a week, the arena looked almost half empty. So 12,000 could easily have been the true figure. Looking like 12,000 doesn't make it 12,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted November 8, 2008 (edited) Find me enough Detroit fans that can afford seats at this day and age. Guess what haters, Detroit will stay hockeytown due to its fanbase, (don't ******* give me this "oh no not sellouts" bulls*** the Wings haven't gotten any worse yet they can't sell out anymore. That doesn't correlate to fans not being true Wings fans that correlates to Wings fans MOVING OUT) rich hockey history, and great teams and players. Give me another American team that can boast all of those things in the United States and you can make me eat crow. But talk to me about the Lions and you will be arguing with flawed logic. The Lions have fewer games during the season at home. Increased demand. America is a FOOTBALL country, which gives the Wings a huge disadvantage to begin with. Aux: Did you read the article? It said you can't compare America to the Country that created the sport and made it their own. That was never in question. Why are we haters? BTW you forgot to mention why the Pistons sell more tickets and get more coverage here in Detroit. Numbers don't lie http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2008 But when playing away the Wings do have the most away fans out of any other team out there. Edited November 8, 2008 by Coolio Mendez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted November 8, 2008 Looking like 12,000 doesn't make it 12,000. Im estimating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted November 9, 2008 Wings ticket sales are up, despite the economic woes and the collapse of the U.S. automotive industry. The Lions have stopped selling out, too; the last few games have been blacked out. The Palace is full of empty seats these days, too. It's tough to explain the impact all this stuff has to people who aren't experiencing it here in southeastern Michigan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokeychik22 17 Report post Posted November 9, 2008 i really like that article. i told the author of the blog too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2008 Why are we haters? BTW you forgot to mention why the Pistons sell more tickets and get more coverage here in Detroit. Numbers don't lie http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2008 But when playing away the Wings do have the most away fans out of any other team out there. Once again, handicap. Hockey ranks last in all big sports and everyone knows it. And like I said having so many away fans means we have the fans. I know of a few Wings fans who have left the state because of the economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auxlepli 17 Report post Posted November 9, 2008 But when playing away the Wings do have the most away fans out of any other team out there. The Coyotes do. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?s...g&year=2009 Doc - No I didn't. I just skimmed it. She makes valid points, but I'm disillusioned right now based on recent personal experiences. Detroit is the best the United States can offier, and the broadcast media's coverage of the championship-winning team and most championship-winning organization in Detroit is lame. It's not as lame as ESPN's NHL coverage, but it's pretty ******* lame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krystal 41 Report post Posted November 9, 2008 Why are we haters? BTW you forgot to mention why the Pistons sell more tickets and get more coverage here in Detroit. Numbers don't lie http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2008 But when playing away the Wings do have the most away fans out of any other team out there. Piston Ticket Prices: Club Level (Sections 101-126) US $35.00 - US $275.00 Loge Level (Sections 201-230) US $10.00 - US $55.00 Wings Ticket Prices: Executive Level (Lower Bowl) US $95.00 - US $195.00 Arena Level (Upper Bowl) US $25.00 - US $95.00 Standing Room Only (Designated Areas) US $40.00 You can either go to a Pistons game for $10 - or a Wings game for more than twice that per ticket. Not including parking, concessions, etc. Four times that amount for some games where Standing Room Only is a possibility (this particular pricing came from the Pens game, which I'm assuming they're anticipating will wind up that way). While the economy has gone to s***, if it's a matter of $10 a person or $25 a person... the decision isn't hard. Especially if it's more than one person attending (say, a family of 4. $40 or $100? Easy call). I don't live in Detroit, so I don't know what parking and concessions would run you (except for $1 Hot Dog tuesdays ) but I'd just like to point that out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2008 The Coyotes do. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?s...g&year=2009 Doc - No I didn't. I just skimmed it. She makes valid points, but I'm disillusioned right now based on recent personal experiences. Detroit is the best the United States can offier, and the broadcast media's coverage of the championship-winning team and most championship-winning organization in Detroit is lame. It's not as lame as ESPN's NHL coverage, but it's pretty ******* lame. What do you expect from a network that glorifies the eastern conference and either focuses on Canadian teams, the Penguins, or the Capitals? Also I'm curious to know how many of those away fans are actual Coyotes fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coolio Mendez 7 Report post Posted November 11, 2008 The Coyotes do. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?s...g&year=2009 Doc - No I didn't. I just skimmed it. She makes valid points, but I'm disillusioned right now based on recent personal experiences. Detroit is the best the United States can offier, and the broadcast media's coverage of the championship-winning team and most championship-winning organization in Detroit is lame. It's not as lame as ESPN's NHL coverage, but it's pretty ******* lame. Ironic considering when the Wings play the Coyotes away about half the of the Jobbings arena is sporting the Winged wheel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2008 Does Minnesota constantly have to defend themselves from Massachusetts saying that they are the REAL "State of Hockey?" Maybe MA is the "Commonwealth of Hockey" and they co-exist that way, for all I know. I for one have never understood the ridiculous amount of scrutiny given to the "does Detroit deserve to be Hockeytown?" issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted November 12, 2008 Does Minnesota constantly have to defend themselves from Massachusetts saying that they are the REAL "State of Hockey?" Maybe MA is the "Commonwealth of Hockey" and they co-exist that way, for all I know. I for one have never understood the ridiculous amount of scrutiny given to the "does Detroit deserve to be Hockeytown?" issue. It's not even an issue to me. Hockeytown is just a name, no more or less. It is silly debating what is the greatest hockey city/town or whatever, because there is no one right answer and no one proper set of criteria to judge on. Is Detroit a great hockey city? Without question. Minneapolis? You bet. Montreal? Of course. We could go on and on. It may be boring, but comparing cities in this matter doesn't solve anything and doesn't answer the question. They are all great hockey cities, and I prefer to leave it at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetecX 139 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Now that the playoff race is starting to heat up and that we are going to have a lot more fans from other teams stopping by, I figured it would be a good time to dust this thread off and bring it up. So for any jokers that want to take the "you should not be called Hockeytown" jab, kindly point them toward this blog and have them wash it down with a cold glass of STFU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Other places don't deserve the title because Mike Illitch has it copywritten and they legally can't use it. /Thread. Edited April 26, 2009 by Ms_Hockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kwame_Kilpatrick 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 detroit is just the best and most storied american hockey club ever. when people are speaking of the great clubs of the days of old gordie howe is always the champion of old time hockey gods, not maurice richard, not anyone. to have a player from those low scoring days still in the top 5 of all time points is just amazing imo. not to mention all the cups is just great. detroit when u look at the other american original six clubs , boston, chicago, new york, they dont even have as many cups as detroit combined. and most of these new cities do not even like hockey.. washington, san jose, hockey is a passing fad in these town. in detroit even when we are playin bad we had the gods, marcel dionne, roger crozier, sawchuck, yzerman, shanahan, fedorov, lidstrom, red kelly, frank mahovlich definitely had some good day here too we just have so much classic hockey. also we are really the only modern dynasty left- good drafting, good farm system. plus we have a kickass logo i laugh at those who say the chicago blackhawks have a cool logo... it looks like crap and ther unis are rlly boring Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kwame_Kilpatrick 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 btw montreal cannot have because they r not even speaking english... quebecers i dont trust the french Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SetecX 139 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Other places don't deserve the title because Mike Illitch has it copywritten and they legally can't use it. /Thread. Well obviously. But copyright technicality aside, that blog post is total authoritative ownage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted April 26, 2009 Here's an excerpt from Mitch Albom's article "The Courage of Detroit." I think why Illitch coined us "Hockeytown" shows through without me having to explain any further: And yet we remember when the streets were stuffed, a million people downtown at a parade, as our hockey team was given a royal reception; every car carrying a player was cheered. This was 1997, and the Red Wings, after a 42-year drought, had once again won the Stanley Cup. Players and coaches stepped to the microphone and heard their words bounce back in waves of sound and thundering applause. Yzerman. Brendan Shanahan. Scotty Bowman. A hockey team? Who does this for a hockey team? Hockey is an afterthought in most American cities. Here, we wear it as a nickname. Hockeytown. We know the rules. We know the good and the bad officials. We sneak octopuses in our pants legs and throw them onto the ice at Joe Louis Arena. Who loves hockey like this? What other American city comes to a collective roar when the blue light flashes? And what other American city goes into collective mourning when two of its players and a team masseur are seriously injured in a limo crash? People in Detroit can still tell you where they were when they heard about that limo smashing into a tree in suburban Birmingham six days after the Cup win of '97, forever changing the lives of Vladimir Konstantinov, Slava Fetisov and Sergei Mnatsakanov. Vigils were held outside the hospital. Flowers were stacked at the crash site. The TV and radio news broke in with updates all day long. How critical? Would they skate again? Would they walk again? Remember, these were two hockey players and a masseur, Russians to boot; none of them did much talking in English. Didn't matter. They were ours, and they were wounded. It felt as if there was no other news for weeks in Detroit. "You hear anything?" people would say. "Any updates?" When people ask what kind of sports town Detroit is, I say the best in the nation. I say our newspapers will carry front-page stories on almost any sports tick, from Ernie Harwell's retirement to the Detroit Shock's winning the WNBA. I say sports is sometimes all we have, it relieves us, distracts us, at times even saves us. But what I really want to tell them about is that stretch in 1997, when the whole city seemed to be nervously pacing around a hospital waiting room. I can't do it justice. It's not that we watch more, or pay more, or cheer louder than other cities. But I will bet you my last dollar that, when it comes to sports, nobody cares as much as Detroit cares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 Here's an excerpt from Mitch Albom's article "The Courage of Detroit." I think why Illitch coined us "Hockeytown" shows through without me having to explain any further: Need to post a link to the article per Basic Forum Dos and Don'ts: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?act=boardrules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted April 27, 2009 Need to post a link to the article per Basic Forum Dos and Don'ts: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?act=boardrules Woopsies. Link. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
