Projecting the 2009-2010 roster

[Icesurfer 75]

Hossa, Marian $7,950,000  

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000  

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000  

Filppula, Valtteri $3,000,000  

Franzen, Johan $4,000,000  

Zetterberg, Henrik $7,950,000  

Cleary, Dan $2,800,000  

Darren Helm $599,444  

Leino, Ville $875,000  

Abdelkader, Justin $740,000  

Emmerton, Cory $645,000  

Kopecky, Tomas $525,000  

Darren McCarty/Downey $500,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000  

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000  

Kronwall, Niklas $3,000,000  

Ericsson, Jonathan $900,000  

Lebda, Brett $650,000  

Meech, Derek $483,333  

Kindl, Jakub $821,667

Osgood, Chris $1,416,667  

Conklin, Ty Howard $716,667

The total is $57,722,778.00.

The rumor so far is the salary cap for next year MAY go up to a max of 59,000,000.00. (About 2.3 mil increase)

The Wings need to get rid of some dead weight and go with the youth movement.... which seems to be the opinions of many on this board anyway ....and we are all craving to see them. I estimated about $20-21 million between Hossa, Z and Franzen ... you can adjust those numbers up or down any way you wish.... and the Wings would still be under a cap of 59 mil. I also assumed that Leino would resign for 875K and Kopecky for 525K.

13 forwards/7defensemen/2 goalies.

Notice that Rafalski has been traded. Sorry to do that but I had to dump a large salary somewhere. Most people agree that Leino, Ericsson, Helm and Abdelkader are ready and maybe so will Emmerton and Kindl. This also took into account that the Wings will be able to resign Leino for the same amount.... another tricky situation. If Kindl is not ready the Wings can keep Chelios for 500K as the 7th defensemen and save another 365K.

Now, these are more changes than Holland and Nill are use to doing so it would take some guts to pull it off. More likely to occur if the Wings get ousted in the playoffs in the first round.

Edited November 17, 2008 by Icesurfer

[Reilly 24]

Yeah, no one is going to trade for Rafalski without sending salary back to the Wings.

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

you should change the title of this thread to "wishfull 2009-2010 roster"

Also Raffi has a NTC

Edited November 17, 2008 by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA

[Booster313 138]

You need to adjust your salaries. Contracts under the new CBA cannot be Front end loaded. For Cap purposes the salary is averaged over the total years so there for Flip would be at 3mill as would Brad Stuart and Kronwall. Also I think Franzen's contract is a little high. I expect him so sign somewhere between 3-4 million.

[Icesurfer 75]

All the salaries listed are averages.... the averages changed because 2008 salary is dropped.....check it yourself. If Franzen signs for $4 million then that gives Z and Hossa an extra 500K which is also reasonable. No trade clauses can be waived. Players can be bought-out.

Flip got 2 million this year. He gets 2.5, 3.5, 3.5 3.5 the next 4 years which averages to (13 million/4=3.25 mil) From what I understand it is the average of the remaining salary on the contract.

[Icesurfer 75]

I stand corrected the cap number does not change even though the salary is dropped I will have to correct the numbers... thanks.

[Bannedforlife 403]

Marian Hossa $7,450,000

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000

Filppula, Valtteri $3,250,000

Zetterberg, Henrik $7,450,000

Franzen, Johan $5,000,000

Cleary, Dan $2,875,000

Leino, Ville $875,000

Darren Helm $500,000

Abdelkader, Justin $710,000

Emmerton, Cory $580,000

Kopecky, Tomas $525,000

Darren McCarty/Downey $500,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000

Kronwall, Niklas $3,500,000

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000

Ericsson, Jonathan $1,075,000

Lebda, Brett $850,000

Meech, Derek $500,000

Kindl, Jakub $865,000

Osgood, Chris $1,275,000

Conklin, Ty /Howard $775,000

The total is $58,705,000.00.

The rumor so far is the salary cap for next year MAY go up to a max of 59,000,000.00. (About 2.3 mil increase)

The only way to have Hossa, Z and Franzen on the roster is if they take the "Lidstrom cap" discount and the Wings get rid of some dead weight and go with the youth movement.... which seems to be the opinions of many on this board anyway ....and we are all craving to see them.

Notice that MANY of the other salaries have changed because of the way contracts were written where some were front-end loaded and some were back-end loaded so the averages changed, changing the salary cap number.

13 forwards/7defensemen/2 goalies.

Notice that Rafalski has been traded. Sorry to do that but I had to dump a large salary somewhere. Most people agree that Leino, Ericsson, Helm and Abdelkader are ready and maybe so will Emmerton and Kindl. This also took into account that the Wings will be able to resign Leino for the same amount.... another tricky situation. If Kindl is not ready the Wings can keep Chelios for 500K as the 7th defensemen and save another 365K.

Now, these are more changes than Holland and Nill are use to doing so it would take some guts to pull it off. More likely to occur if the Wings get ousted in the playoffs in the first round.

There is no way in hell Draper and Maltby will be traded. There is no way Rafalski gets traded. Even though I think it is extremely unlikely, the only way I see Hossa, Zetterberg and Franzen all on the team next year is to trade Filppula.

[Icesurfer 75]

I corrected the cap numbers..... which stay the same throughout the period of the contract regardless of the salary. This is just one scenario for the Wings to be able to sign Hossa, Franzen AND Z. The point is the Wings MUST dump salary in order to do so.

[Icesurfer 75]

Trading Filppula wil not do it.... there is 3 million cap number difference between Flip and Rafalski. I had to dump a LOT of salary to get under the cap and keep Z and Hossa happy. Actually with the numbers posted Hossa's salary can go as high as 8.95 mil..... and still be under 59 million.

[Herr Hockey 0]

Yeah but what you need to understand is that under no circumstances other than retierment (which is unlikely) will either Draper or Maltby be off of the roster. Holland has more respect for them than to dump them, and nobody would take the anyways. Not even for junk picks. It's nice to think about keeping Hossa, Franzen, and Z, but that is a fantasy roster so far. Good work crunching the numbers though, I'd like to see what some different combinations would look like.

[FLWINGSFAN4013 5]

way too early to be thinking about next year......

[Icesurfer 75]

way too early to be thinking about next year......

Not when you are bored because there is no game on a weekend!!!

What a crazy schedule.

[Icesurfer 75]

OK....keeping Draper and Maltby on the team and wait another year for Emmerton and Abdelkader:

Hossa, Marian $7,950,000  

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000  

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000  

Filppula, Valtteri $3,000,000  

Franzen, Johan $4,000,000  

Zetterberg, Henrik $7,650,000  

Cleary, Dan $2,800,000  

Darren Helm $599,444  

Leino, Ville $875,000  

Draper, Kris $1,583,333  

Maltby, Kirk $883,333  

Kopecky, Tomas $525,000  

Darren McCarty/Downey $500,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000  

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000  

Kronwall, Niklas $3,000,000  

Ericsson, Jonathan $900,000  

Lebda, Brett $650,000  

Meech, Derek $483,333  

Kindl, Jakub $821,667

Osgood, Chris $1,416,667  

Conklin, Ty Howard $716,667

Total is 58,504,444.00

If Chelios signs at 500K as 7th defensemen because Kindl is not ready it saves another 321K. So really the only changes would be Rafalski, Lilja, Hudler and Sammy out. Sammy and Hudler not resigned. Lilja traded..... which probably will be done this year. And Rafalski agrees to waive no trade clause at a price..... and the Wings can keep Hossa, Franzen and Z.

[Rivalred 630]

Rafalski is not going anywhere. Sorry.

[Icesurfer 75]

Rafalski is not going anywhere. Sorry.

Well then, Rafalski better get on his high horse and start playing like the number two defenceman that he is. His play has left something to be desired lately. LOL.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Well then, Rafalski better get on his high horse and start playing like the number two defenceman that he is. His play has left something to be desired lately. LOL.

While I'll agree with you that he can play better, I do have to disagree that he isn't playing like a number 2 defensman. He is our leading defense scorer, and only behind Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Sammuelson (oh my god) for the entire team.

[redwings1914 18]

(Unfortunatly) The only way that Hossa and Zetterberg and Franzen will all stay is if Lidstrom were to retire.

[NEpats1028 1]

(Unfortunatly) The only way that Hossa and Zetterberg and Franzen will all stay is if Lidstrom were to retire.

if lids retires this team becomes a mess. he isnt that old btw

[Icesurfer 75]

While I'll agree with you that he can play better, I do have to disagree that he isn't playing like a number 2 defensman. He is our leading defense scorer, and only behind Hossa, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Sammuelson (oh my god) for the entire team.

Well, of course, he is going to have points.... he plays on the PP for pete's sake. It is no mistake that he has 13 points, Lidstrom has 12 point and Kronwall has 10 points because they ALL play on the power play. AND if you remember that is what is saving Detroit's butt because they are having a little difficulty scoring at even strength. Stuart, Lilja, Lebda, and Meech and 2,1,0,1 points respectively because they DO NOT play on the PP. And besides.... scoring is NOT the issue.... the issue that everyone is complaining about is DEFENSE and he IS a DEFENSEMAN in the number 2 slot! And I have seen too many defensive lapses by Rafalski..... definitely unRafalski-like.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I've crunched the numbers. On reasonable projections for Hank, Hossa, and Franzen, while trading/removing the likes of Sammy, Hudler, McCarty, Chelios, Lebda, Downey, AND Filppula, and calling up Ericsson, Helm, Abdelkader, and Leino as replacements, the number STILL comes out to 60+ million. No way the cap goes up that high and no way we play smack up against the cap again.

Please stop planning for Hank, Hossa, and Franzen all to be a part of this team next year, because it won't happen.

Edited November 17, 2008 by YoungGuns1340

[Icesurfer 75]

I've crunched the numbers. On reasonable projections for Hank, Hossa, and Franzen, while trading/removing the likes of Sammy, Hudler, McCarty, Chelios, Lebda, Downey, AND Filppula, and calling up Ericsson, Helm, Abdelkader, and Leino as replacements, the number STILL comes out to 60+ million. No way the cap goes up that high and no way we play smack up against the cap again.

Please stop planning for Hank, Hossa, and Franzen all to be a part of this team next year, because it won't happen.

That's why I had to trade Rafalski..... It is the ONLY possible scenario. Trading away Filppula is not enough. Besides Filppula has too much upside.... definitely more than Rafalski... and I would never suggest trading Filppula anyway. And I could see Ericsson easily becoming a number 3 or 4 defenceman. The only stumbling block is that Rafalski has a no trade clause..... but that can be waived for the right price. 3 years left on his K is too much of a buyout (% of 18 million).

[thedatsyukian 7]

I would love to see all of them come back but I don't see it happening.

[Icesurfer 75]

Rafalski's buyout would be 12 million. There is a complex formula to determine how much would count against the cap and I think it is spread out over double the length of the contract or something like that.....

Could someone please enlightened me as to the makeup of this formula? It is probably way too much to consider anyway and the amount would probably be over 2 million per year cap hit which would make it unfeasible.... if it under $1 million cap hit per year then it may be possible.

So we are back to Rafalski waiving his no trade clause for a price.....which is probably unlikely because he loves Detroit too dam much..... ugh! On the other hand Ilitch was use to spending $70 million a year for this team anyway...... and if having Hossa, Z and Franzen would put him in a better position to repeat again and again as a cup winner it may well be worth it.

[Seraph 240]

Sure, you guys can make the numbers work. But it's too tight a squeeze for it to happen. Even if Kenny decided to go for one of your guys' plans, it's highly unlikely that every single player resigning/being traded will agree to the conditions. Each player/agent duo is going to have certain demands and having it all fall into place exactly how you guys want it simply won't happen. Kenny isn't that charismatic and can't arbitrate 5 players' contracts to fall perfectly in place. It's not even a smart approach because if it DOESN'T fall into place, there will have undoubtedly been a safer plan that would have gotten you a better deal.

Holland has said it lots of times. You go after the players you want to keep and hope the young guys will fill in the gaps. He's just going to sign Z, first priority. Then he will speak to Hossa and then Franzen. Whatever happens, happens. We will still have a good team.

Edited November 17, 2008 by The Nephilim

[Icesurfer 75]

Sure, you guys can make the numbers work. But it's too tight a squeeze for it to happen. Even if Kenny decided to go for one of your guys' plans, it's highly unlikely that every single player resigning/being traded will agree to the conditions. Each player/agent duo is going to have certain demands and having it all fall into place exactly how you guys want it simply won't happen. Kenny isn't that charismatic and can't arbitrate 5 players' contracts to fall perfectly in place. It's not even a smart approach because if it DOESN'T fall into place, there will have undoubtedly been a safer plan that would have gotten you a better deal.

Holland has said it lots of times. You go after the players you want to keep and hope the young guys will fill in the gaps. He's just going to sign Z, first priority. Then he will speak to Hossa and then Franzen. Whatever happens, happens. We will still have a good team.

Everyone obviously knows that and that is exactly what will happen but it is fun to play with the numbers and see if there is a possible scenario where it COULD HAPPEN. And it could. Who wouldn't want to have Hossa, Z, and Franzen on their team??? I would say that the Detroit team is the envy of just about every NHL owner.... it's almost unfair..... NOW.... only if we can get the team to play up to the expectations.....LOL!