Report: 2009-10 cap rumored to be $55M

[up2here 41]

Saw this on TSN,doesnt help the Wings next season.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=256633&amp...=headlines_main

[DRW Dominance 255]

What's the cap @ now?

[akustyk 84]

I'm not quite sure this is that bad for Wings if you compare them to the rest of the league.

all GM's tend to include expected economic trend into equation when signing players for long

term contracts. most of them were pretty realistic and didn't sign players for huge money

and super long deals to keep some freedom in case of economic falls.

Wings have only Datsyuk, Flip and Cleary commited past 10/11. assuming the economy won't

change much before that I'd say only Cleary is overpaid as Flip has potential to be a $4M+

player with current standards. and $6.5M for Pavel is a bargain.

if anything, I'd say this fall is a gift for Holland in negotiations with Hank and Mule.

because even player agents understand now that it won't be that easy to demand huge

money. and they (player agents) are the very last people on Earth you'd expact to step

off and be less greedy :hat:

now if we take this as example...

http://nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=PH...09&expand=y

I would say I'm all smiles about this economy fall

EDIT: pardon! we also have Rafalski at $6M and Stuart, Kronwall at $3.75M each through

11/12. I'm not sure about Rafalski but I like Stuart's and Kronwall's contracts even with

salary cap staying put at current level.

Edited November 20, 2008 by akustyk

[up2here 41]

What's the cap @ now?

isnt it 56 million?

[therock48880 14]

Bye Hossa.

[redwinger4747 6]

Bye Hossa.

Yes. We should let him go and keep Franzen and Z. And please, stop talking like its an even choice between Hossa and Franzen and we can just chose either. Cause its not Hossa vs. Franzen, its more like Hossa vs. Franzen AND Filppula (or Cleary, etc). Hossa will cost A LOT, and though we all know he is the better player, its MUCH smarter to keep Franzen at 4.5-5 then Hossa at 8.

[Bannedforlife 403]

I just cried a little bit...

[Nev 1,085]

Yes. We should let him go and keep Franzen and Z. And please, stop talking like its an even choice between Hossa and Franzen and we can just chose either. Cause its not Hossa vs. Franzen, its more like Hossa vs. Franzen AND Filppula (or Cleary, etc). Hossa will cost A LOT, and though we all know he is the better player, its MUCH smarter to keep Franzen at 4.5-5 then Hossa at 8.

Well Cleary has a NTC, its more like Hossa vs Franzen, Hudler and Sammy. Fact is we'll probly sign Mule and maybe one of Huds/Sammy (please Huds)

[Barrie 900]

Yes. We should let him go and keep Franzen and Z. And please, stop talking like its an even choice between Hossa and Franzen and we can just chose either. Cause its not Hossa vs. Franzen, its more like Hossa vs. Franzen AND Filppula (or Cleary, etc). Hossa will cost A LOT, and though we all know he is the better player, its MUCH smarter to keep Franzen at 4.5-5 then Hossa at 8.

Agreed.

[CenterIce 83]

Everyone has to also keep in mind that the players have until April to exercise their out option of the current CBA, which could mean renegotiating over the summer.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

Everyone has to also keep in mind that the players have until April to exercise their out option of the current CBA, which could mean renegotiating over the summer.

I cannot see players being able to negotiate a better deal under this economic conditions. It might be better to take the option and wait until things get better before trying to change CBA.

[VM1138 1,921]

It's way too early to talk about any of this.

We probably won't keep Hossa, but no one expect us to keep Stuart, either.

[auxlepli 17]

OMFG the players should go on strike! This CBA is horrible for them I can't believe they signed it in the first place. Where is Goodenow now when the players need him?!

[dallas27 7]

Yes. We should let him go and keep Franzen and Z. And please, stop talking like its an even choice between Hossa and Franzen and we can just chose either. Cause its not Hossa vs. Franzen, its more like Hossa vs. Franzen AND Filppula (or Cleary, etc). Hossa will cost A LOT, and though we all know he is the better player, its MUCH smarter to keep Franzen at 4.5-5 then Hossa at 8.

Because Flip is totally justifying the 3 million he is making by coming in with 7 points in 17 games.

Nobody has ever said it's either Hossa or Franzen. Everyone knows they are going to have to give up other people in order to retain Hossa. Ultimately it's going to come down to how much Hossa wants. If he wants the same amount or a little bit more I have absolutely no problem letting Franzen walk and trading Flip + Sammy for a draft pick. If this happens Hossa will only cost A LOT in sentimental feelings towards Franzen and Flip because there is no way he costs A LOT in terms of skill because quite frankly, you are getting Hossa. If he wants more than tough s*** for us, at least we got to watch him for one year.

People need to keep this in mind. Flip is making 3 million right now, who is on pace for 33 points. What in the sam hell do you think Mule is going to ask for if he stays on pace? Obviously it's all speculation but if Flip is making 3 million, all the while accumulating 33 points, don't you think it's going to run through Mule's mind, hey I scored more goals than Flip has points, I might be worth a lot more than the 4 million everyone is saying I'll get.

Edited November 21, 2008 by dallas27

[eva unit zero 271]

Yes. We should let him go and keep Franzen and Z. And please, stop talking like its an even choice between Hossa and Franzen and we can just chose either. Cause its not Hossa vs. Franzen, its more like Hossa vs. Franzen AND Filppula (or Cleary, etc). Hossa will cost A LOT, and though we all know he is the better player, its MUCH smarter to keep Franzen at 4.5-5 then Hossa at 8.

If Franzen costs 5, no thanks; he's not worth that. Especially the way Kopecky looked tonight, who says Kopecky can't plug into Franzen's role. Fortunately, Franzen doesn't have anywhere close to the resume to demand that kind of coin.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

If Franzen costs 5, no thanks; he's not worth that. Especially the way Kopecky looked tonight, who says Kopecky can't plug into Franzen's role. Fortunately, Franzen doesn't have anywhere close to the resume to demand that kind of coin.

Not with the Wings he doesn't, but he damn well does with about 20-25 other teams in the league. Franzen's already proving to be better than Malone who was a hot ticket this season.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I'm bracing myself for the throngs of people coming in here to tell us how its feasible to trade half our roster in order to retain Hossa.

If the cap goes down, not only do I think we say goodbye to Hossa, but should do the same to Sammy and Filppula as well. People are talking about trading Filppula as contingent on Hossa staying, but I say trade him either way. Flip may be good for 15 points more on the season at this point, but I don't see why that justifies a 2.5M difference between him and Helm. If the cap goes down to 55M, then we're going to need not only the money from Hossa's contract, but the money from Sammy and Filppulas contracts to hand out raises as well. At this rate, Hudler would be worth every penny at 2.0-2.5 and a long-term reasonable estimate for Franzen would be between 4.0 and 4.5. Add in Hank at a good 5M raise on what he currently makes, and that gives you some 10M in raises. Hossa, Chelios, Lebda, Sammy, and Filppula combined make nearly 13M. So basically releasing those three players from the roster gives us the money for raises and replacements - likely Leino, Ericsson and Helm. Will it be an explosive offense? No. But it will allow for more ice time to be spread around to those individuals who are looking to consistently earn it up front.

Also, goaltending has been talked about little on this board for next year. Is Howard still going to be in limbo? If so, Id be surprised to see the Wings go with a Howard-Osgood pairing, and would doubt the same from a Larsson-Osgood pairing. The Wings may want to consider re-signing Conklin, which may be a tall order if he continues to play well and attracts interest from other teams around the league.

To add to that, I think this might be the time for the Wings to add a few assets to the farm or the organization, either through picks or prospects. Trading Howard and/or Filppula with the insurance of guys like Larsson/McCollum and Helm/Abdelkader in similar roles to the aforementioned players, they do become expendable and maybe specifically to the benefit of our future. The Wings could really afford the chance to have a shot at a top 40 or so pick.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

Screw the cap ... I miss the old days ... where wings could sign who they want when they want and how much they want for

[rage 24]

It's ONLY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Duck Guy 86]

Screw the cap ... I miss the old days ... where wings could sign who they want when they want and how much they want for

I am sure you dont want the wings to be remembered as buying ALL their stanley cups.

[Hopper15 0]

Screw the cap ... I miss the old days ... where wings could sign who they want when they want and how much they want for

I love the cap for the exact opposite reason. The cap creates more balance for the lower market teams.

Edited November 21, 2008 by Hopper15

[akustyk 84]

I love the cap for the exact opposite reason. The cap creates more balance for the lower market teams.

that's BS.

see: Jeff Finger

or see: Edmonton Oilers

[South Dakota wings fan 7]

Flips isn't going anywhere.

Goodbye Sammy, Hossa, and Chelios.

Hello Ericsson, Abs and Leino

While I would agree there is an argument to be made for trading Flip, I also agree that he is not going anywhere. I think he is a legit 2nd line center, but with the current glut of talent it is hard for him to get the ice time needed to flourish, especially with all of the specialty time we seem to spend playing specialty teams. I think his role will increase in the coming seasons.

While I am no capoligist, I do think Hossa will not be back in favor of keeping the Mule + Sammy/Hudler. It should be an interesting off-season for sure...let's just not be in too big of a hurry to get there.

[gcom007 1,465]

No. Trade Flip. He is a waste of $3 million when we've got guys who can likely play as well for far less in GR. Ken Holland does enough right to not get too pissed that he made a mistake in signing Flip, but he'd do well to right it and send him packing for draft picks.

[CenterIce 83]

No. Trade Flip. He is a waste of $3 million when we've got guys who can likely play as well for far less in GR. Ken Holland does enough right to not get too pissed that he made a mistake in signing Flip, but he'd do well to right it and send him packing for draft picks.

You can't trade Flip. He is an accomplished two way forward, who can play all situations. I think of him as a young Datsyuk (who he actually pairs of with in practice to learn some of his moves). The biggest knock on him is that he has to shoot more, but Datsyuk was the same way. Once Datsyuk started to shoot and score more, he took off.