HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 Where did this blog writer get this "fact"? Exactly. "apparently" is not a source. We'll go off the deep end with it anyway, cuz that's how we roll in here sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taxidermistWINGSfan 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 this is a tad bit concerning to me... does this mean hank wants more? i dont want to see him go, and i highly doubt he will go... but i never figured he would be the greedy type. im also reluctant to really believe this blogger... no real proof of source on this. i just hope hank decides to sign w/ a discount so the wings can keep at least the mule or hoss. i think a 10 year 75 mill front loaded deal would be more than he would ever expect and should jump on it. hes not doing as good this season, due to his line being broken up, he cant expect 10 mill a season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) the wings are the only franchise (since i have been on earth) in the nhl who have been able to keep together a cup contending team for the last 15+ years (imo). Players should come here for cheap, and stay here because- the owner will take care of you, and you have a better chance of winning here than anywhere else. if he wants to be another "91"...let him be a star with all his money. Edited January 15, 2009 by soultrain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 How convenient that this was buried in the middle of his blog when it (if it was confirmed) should be front page news. I don't buy this one bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 If it's true let him walk, he's not the best player on this team . . . Datsyuk is!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Dub 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) I can't imagine Kenny offering Z a 10 year contract. That seems unlike the Wings...4-5 years max and I think $8 Mil may be where it has to end. That's a hell of a pay increase for him and he is worth every penny but the Wings won't become a "One player hogs up all the money" team. I'll take Z over Hossa any day. Remember those 5 on 3s against Pittsburg last year? Yeah....I'll take Z. EDIT: Didn't it read somewhere Huddler is a UFA next year? He's actually a RFA next year...think I read UFA somewhere here. Edited January 15, 2009 by C-Dub Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 I can't imagine Kenny offering Z a 10 year contract. That seems unlike the Wings...4-5 years max and I think $8 Mil may be where it has to end. That's a hell of a pay increase for him and he is worth every penny but the Wings won't become a "One player hogs up all the money" team. I'll take Z over Hossa any day. Remember those 5 on 3s against Pittsburg last year? Yeah....I'll take Z. EDIT: Didn't it read somewhere Huddler is a UFA next year? He's actually a RFA next year...think I read UFA somewhere here. He played great on those 5 on 3s but that does not make him that much better than Hossa, if at all. Hossa was probably the best player on his team last year. If Hossa will sign for less than Z lets keep Hossa and the depth players like Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glubki 17 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 I really feel that Z should not make anymore then Dats, Dats is way better. And remember how injury prone Z seems to be... 10 years seems too long as well.. But it is Holland so whatever we all know he knows what he is doing. This is my opinion as well - Lidstrom's salary was an exception due to invisible grandfather clauses from the old NHL - Zetterburg should be willing to sign for around the same amount as Pavel or take a walk.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 why would he reject that? he said he wanted to spend his whole career in Detroit? something isnt making sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DraperFan MN 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 Ouch. 75 million dollars on the table. This may soon turn into keeping Zetterberg and Hudler vs Hossa and Franzen. I don't care what happens, Franzen is a keeper out of these four. Only one of Z and Hossa can be kept. My dream is that we can keep Franzen, Z, and Huds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Dub 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 He played great on those 5 on 3s but that does not make him that much better than Hossa, if at all. Hossa was probably the best player on his team last year. If Hossa will sign for less than Z lets keep Hossa and the depth players like Franzen. Depends on what you favor. I'd favor the guy that can pull twice his weight on defense, produce on offense and has been with the team for 5+ years in a leadership role. Hossa is great and he is a great addition to the team and clearly one of the best players on the team. However, I would be disappointed if Kenny started talking to Hossa first before Z when it comes to handing out big paychecks. Ideally, I would want to keep both but given the choice of just one I'll take Z. Doesn't mean you have to... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 I don't care what happens, Franzen is a keeper out of these four. Only one of Z and Hossa can be kept. My dream is that we can keep Franzen, Z, and Huds. Agreed 100%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 All though most of my common sense points to this not being very reliable, part of me is concerned for a couple of reasons. Losing Z would be a serious blow to the core of this team. You don't replace a player like Hank. He is amazing with and without the puck in all three zones whether on PP PK or even strength. If he stays, he is the future Captain. Secondly, if Holland feels that he needs to throw around 10 year deals to keep a player who has been quoted as wanting to stay, we could be in trouble! This could drive up the price for our other FA's. I hope that this is just a blogger who didn't understand what his source told him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 no way this is true!!! im nervous as well now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 why would he reject that? he said he wanted to spend his whole career in Detroit? something isnt making sense. Fer sure. If he has in fact rejected the deal I would want to know what the problem is. It's gotta be the term or something in the fine print. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Depends on what you favor. I'd favor the guy that can pull twice his weight on defense, produce on offense and has been with the team for 5+ years in a leadership role. Hossa is great and he is a great addition to the team and clearly one of the best players on the team. However, I would be disappointed if Kenny started talking to Hossa first before Z when it comes to handing out big paychecks. Ideally, I would want to keep both but given the choice of just one I'll take Z. Doesn't mean you have to... Yeah but if he wants to break the bank he's on the wrong team for that. He has to keep in mind that we have to fill out four lines! If he wants to play for a club that has a shot at winning the cup each year he has to leave money for players like Franzen and Hudler. If he's not willing to leave some money for others on the team maybe Hossa is. Edited January 15, 2009 by DatsMyWings13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 Since theres nothing on the free press site after an hour Im gunna file this under BS till a good source is found... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 why would he reject that? he said he wanted to spend his whole career in Detroit? something isnt making sense. Yeah....this blogger. People (not you) really need to stop jumping to conclusions. My guess is if this offer was put on the table, Z would've inked it in a heartbeat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 All though most of my common sense points to this not being very reliable, part of me is concerned for a couple of reasons. Losing Z would be a serious blow to the core of this team. You don't replace a player like Hank. He is amazing with and without the puck in all three zones whether on PP PK or even strength. If he stays, he is the future Captain. Secondly, if Holland feels that he needs to throw around 10 year deals to keep a player who has been quoted as wanting to stay, we could be in trouble! This could drive up the price for our other FA's. I hope that this is just a blogger who didn't understand what his source told him. No offense to Z, however if he leaves Dats would easily be a 'C', Kronwall looks to be here long term could take the A, and either Flip or Hudler or Homer or whomever is left over could take the other 'A'. Or even Hossa, because IF Z were to bolt, my thoughts are Holland would try to ink Hossa and by the time Lids is gone (the whole next 'C' thing) Hossa will be a couple of years into being on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#19=Legend 29 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 I'd rather have Zetterberg than Hossa. I don't see Hossa staying anyway. I like Hossa because of his goal-scoring ability, but I definitely don't think he's worth all the money that Pittsburgh was willing to throw at him. He just seems slow to the puck, he loses it a lot... I don't know. I wouldn't pay him as much as these other teams are willing to. Plus, he only came to Detroit to win the Cup and then move on. I just don't see him returning. Zetterberg, I think, would be a bigger loss. Do you watch the red wings? is there another hossa that im not seeing out there? hossa has got to be one, if not the fastest player on the team. I belive datsyuk himself said that he cant even keep up with hossa. that post just blows my mind. but i do agree with you on one thing, and that is i would rather keep hank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 I'd rather have Zetterberg than Hossa. I don't see Hossa staying anyway. I like Hossa because of his goal-scoring ability, but I definitely don't think he's worth all the money that Pittsburgh was willing to throw at him. He just seems slow to the puck, he loses it a lot... I don't know. I wouldn't pay him as much as these other teams are willing to. Plus, he only came to Detroit to win the Cup and then move on. I just don't see him returning. Zetterberg, I think, would be a bigger loss. Are you serious, the man is a beast on the puck and very rarely gets pushed off of it, is a great defensive forward, has all of the tools that Z has, to me they are very comparable players. Slow to the puck, doesn't hustle?????? Am I out of place or does this post make no sense??? Nope. No sense at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 I love Z as much as the next guy, but he DOES NOT deserve more money than Pavel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) Do you watch the red wings? is there another hossa that im not seeing out there? hossa has got to be one, if not the fastest player on the team. I belive datsyuk himself said that he cant even keep up with hossa. that post just blows my mind. but i do agree with you on one thing, and that is i would rather keep hank. A lot of people don't agree with me - which is fine. I've been noticing it more and more since my dad brought it up to me during one of the games. At first, I defended Hossa to the death. Now, whenever he messes up, my dad says "GOOD JOB, HOSSA" and makes it kind of difficult for me to NOT recognize. Just watch for things like that in tonight's game. I'm not saying I'm right. I could just be seeing things out of nothing. But look for it and tell me if you do or don't start to see these little quirks he has. Also, Montreal is doing everything they can to get Hossa. I wonder how that'll work out. Edited January 15, 2009 by Ms_Hockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 A lot of people don't agree with me - which is fine. I've been noticing it more and more since my dad brought it up to me during one of the games. At first, I defended Hossa to the death. Now, whenever he messes up, my dad says "GOOD JOB, HOSSA" and makes it kind of difficult for me to NOT recognize. Just watch for things like that in tonight's game. I'm not saying I'm right. I could just be seeing things out of nothing. But look for it and tell me if you do or don't start to see these little quirks he has. The way you worded this post makes it one of the most idiotic posts I've read in my time on this forum. There isn't a single player in the NHL who doesn't make mistakes. If you're looking for mistakes, you're going to get them, from ANYBODY. Does that make the player in question any less of a skilled player? No, it does not. Watch Zetterberg tonight, and pick out all the little mistakes he mistakes. Try watching Hossa, but only recognizing all the good things he does with and without the puck. I love both players, but hockey is a two-way street, and if your dad is only watching to criticize tiny mistakes, your dad is an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted January 15, 2009 No offense to Z, however if he leaves Dats would easily be a 'C', Kronwall looks to be here long term could take the A, and either Flip or Hudler or Homer or whomever is left over could take the other 'A'. Or even Hossa, because IF Z were to bolt, my thoughts are Holland would try to ink Hossa and by the time Lids is gone (the whole next 'C' thing) Hossa will be a couple of years into being on the team. No offense taken! I actually like to hear when people disagree w/ me for whatever reason. I agree with what you are saying about others in the franchise taking leadership roles. It is always tough to lose on of those special players that everyone knows have a huge leadership role on a team. But like I said, most of me feels that this story is just a poor attempt at journalism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites