Do we really have to sign both Franzen and Hossa?

[Wingsallwin 0]

Seriously, some people here say we can sign with both Hossa and Fraznen by not resigning Sammy, McCarty, Chellios, and with trade Filppula to other team. I don't say it would be a bad decision.

But we have to know Lidstrom is coming to an end of his career, well he can play more seasons by getting way less cap. And that time will also be when Osgood will retire. What this means is that we have to see the future of our defense and goalie.

On our defenses, if Lidstrom does not play in the Wings, our defenses will not be this good anymore even though Raffy, Kronwall, Stuart, and Lilja are top defenses in the league. Lidstrom can do everyting, almost look like a quarterback in football. He can lead this team in both PP and PK. Besides, we don't need to say about his defensive skill, just amazing. But we cannot go on a way in the playoff with putting a young guy like Eriksson to replace the role of Lidstrom because I don't see anyone in this team right now can do as much as Lidstrom does; well Lidstrom is too good that will be also a reason but it is the truth. I know Eriksson is good but he is not certified yet whether he can play a level of NHL, not AHL.

I know defenses will do fine but goalies are more problems. Our offenses are already unsaturated.

Goalies, we will finally need a time to get a top goalie of the league. We know goalie in the Wings do not have to be super good as Luongo, or Brodeur. Not this season perfectly, but because our defenses are just really good so the goalies do not have to face as many shots as other goalies face. And the core of that process is Lidstrom, our captain.

But Lids will retire in a time, I guess at the end of his contract or 2 more seasons from that time. That means we finally need a goalie. I don't know how Howard, Larsson, or McColoum can do for us but they are still too young. This is what our Wings GM admistraters really have to concern about.

I think we can resign with Huds by 3million, I don't like giving him 4 million. Then, let's say Huds will stay here. However, if we sign both Franzen and Hossa, that means both players will end up their career in here Detroit. Even though Hossa will get old, he will be worth around 6 million. And Frazen will probably ask like between 4 and 5 million. And by this assumption of future cap, it will be almost impossible for us t get one real good defense and goalie unless goalies in the Griffins will be terrific.

Then, let's say we sign both Franzen and Hossa. Then what happens to our goalies and defenses? Ok, then let's suppose we get defenses, but what about goalies?

It will be very hard for us to decide but in my opinion, if we sign both Hossa and Franzen, we will be like the Flyers that we can win a game by only scoring, not very intensity.

So, I am in favor of signing only Franzen. I really love Hossa's playing here in Detroit but he is worth between 6million and 7million.

[egroen 384]

Signing both seems pretty out of the question to me.

[spydrwebb 0]

as the veterans leave, let the kids play... that's the only way they are going to cut their teeth in this league. if not then, it probably won't happen because we have enough seasoned leaders on this team to prevent vacancies in the roster. we have a few d-men in GR that could already be called up if need be... lidstrom won't be replaced but at least we'll be heading in the right direction with our efforts.

[lets go pavel 2]

Signing both seems pretty out of the question to me.

yeah, but that's only if you add up the dollars. If we ignore that, I think it's a great idea!

[Statts 4]

I think we need to make another topic about this subject

[KrazyGangsta 79]

If you guys listened the press conference today, Holland hinted a couple of times there will be hard decisions to make. He knows / we know / the players know either Hossa or Franzen will go. Now Franzen and his agents is obvious he's more about the $$$. Hossa seems like he wants to be in a good team, always in the mix of winning cups and ect..., Franzen just won the cup he wants a big raise, his younger and money hungry.

I like them both but if I we're to chose, the pick is prett obvious. I'd go with Hossa. Hossa is one of the premiere number one pure sniper (big fast) that you can't find it just sitting there. Franzen has been good for only 2 years now but should we be sold on him? I know he can get better too but I rather have hossa.

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Signing both seems pretty out of the question to me.

This.

:Waits to smeared by the "this" haters:

[WingNut 25 5]

I love Franzen, but Hossa is a no-brainer. He's far more valuable, especially defensively. The only way we keep Franzen as well is if someone gets dealt before July 1st, thus freeing up the cash needed to sign him.

[Wingnut in WA 86]

So lame......I just got my Franzen Jersey for Christmas........

[Zion 93]

Are we really stupid f***s?

[C-TownWing 0]

On our defenses, if Lidstrom does not play in the Wings, our defenses will not be this good anymore even though Raffy, Kronwall, Stuart, and Lilja are top defenses in the league. Lidstrom can do everyting, almost look like a quarterback in football. He can lead this team in both PP and PK. Besides, we don't need to say about his defensive skill, just amazing. But we cannot go on a way in the playoff with putting a young guy like Eriksson to replace the role of Lidstrom because I don't see anyone in this team right now can do as much as Lidstrom does; well Lidstrom is too good that will be also a reason but it is the truth.

Quit reminding me--I'm on record as saying that the second Nick retires or shows serious decline is the second the Wings become just another decent team. I hope I'm wrong, but there are plenty of teams out there with dynamic forwards that still struggle when their stud #1 D is hurt (Pittsburgh) or in decline (Anaheim). And Lids is the stud #1 D of the stud #1 Ds, if that makes any sense.

Anyway, to answer the question, I hope not, since it's pretty damn unlikely that we do.

I love Mule, but Hossa is a top 10 forward in this league. And he won me a fantasy championship a couple years ago (ok, to be fair, I have Franzen this year and I'm in 1st). If you can reasonably keep a guy like that, you do it--if it comes down to one or other (as opposed to Franzen AND Hudler or Hossa or something like that), that's pretty much a no-brainer to me.

[TheOwl 77]

I'd rather have the Mule. For one, he'll be cheaper. Second, he's an uber clutch player, leads the team in 3rd period goals, game winning goals, etc. Third, he's bigger, more physical. Fourth, we made this guy, he's ours, plus he's Swedish. And he works better with the whole vibe of the team. We don't have another player like Franzen, ie. Power Forward. Plus he fills a very important position on the second power play unit, where Homer would be.

Sammy is also very important to this team, so he should be re-signed as well. Let Flipulla go, use the cap space to sign Hudler. Leino should be for sure in the future, so keep him. Lebda can go, Kindl can take his place. And Conklin should be re-signed.

Osgood and Howard as the goalies for next year. In all honestly, I doubt we would make the play-offs with these two guys, no matter how many goals we score.

[Reilly 24]

Mule is cheaper. Hossa is great, but he's still a luxury at this point. I'd much rather have Z and Pavel back together again and fill out the deph than add another big-ticket player.

Don't forget, if this team trades Filppula, they'll have to take some salary in return.

Edited January 29, 2009 by Reilly

[FLWINGSFAN4013 5]

holland said from the Z conference that re-signing anybody will only happen in the next 5 to 6 weeks and nothing again until after the playoffs meaning july. I believe that he is referring to Hossa and Franzen for the 5 to 6 week negotiating. So whoever wants to win more will sign.

Sammy or Hudler will be gone or both if Holland is able to re-sign Hossa and Franzen.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

Signing both seems pretty out of the question to me.

Tell Kenny Holland that! By all indications, he seems pretty psyched about the challenge and the possibility of retaining both Hossa and Franzen. Listen to everything he says about it, he wants to make it work.

I'd say questionable, but out of the question? Come on! You're no GM.

[SwedeLundin77 460]

I'd rather have the Mule. For one, he'll be cheaper. Second, he's an uber clutch player, leads the team in 3rd period goals, game winning goals, etc. Third, he's bigger, more physical. Fourth, we made this guy, he's ours, plus he's Swedish. And he works better with the whole vibe of the team. We don't have another player like Franzen, ie. Power Forward. Plus he fills a very important position on the second power play unit, where Homer would be.

Sammy is also very important to this team, so he should be re-signed as well. Let Flipulla go, use the cap space to sign Hudler. Leino should be for sure in the future, so keep him. Lebda can go, Kindl can take his place. And Conklin should be re-signed.

Osgood and Howard as the goalies for next year. In all honestly, I doubt we would make the play-offs with these two guys, no matter how many goals we score.

Sammy is streaky as all hell, shoots the puck a lot... right at the goalies chest, plays horribly at the point on the powerplay (i'll be happily rid of that aspect), and is expendable in my own opinion.

I would much rather give a guy like Leino, Helm, Abdelkader a chance. Plus, we'd be saving cap space that way too. Sammy is not worthless, but he's at the bottom of the priority list with our free agents.

[Guest mindfly]

Keep hossa if he would sign for 6million long term deal and franzen wants more than 4million, if not then pick franzen.

btw i thought i saw someone write that Hossa has a NTC? is that true? if not then I bet there lots of good things we could get for him come trade deadline

Edited January 29, 2009 by mindfly

[elriqo28 2]

Seriously, some people here say we can sign with both Hossa and Fraznen by not resigning Sammy, McCarty, Chellios, and with trade Filppula to other team. I don't say it would be a bad decision.

But we have to know Lidstrom is coming to an end of his career, well he can play more seasons by getting way less cap. And that time will also be when Osgood will retire. What this means is that we have to see the future of our defense and goalie.

On our defenses, if Lidstrom does not play in the Wings, our defenses will not be this good anymore even though Raffy, Kronwall, Stuart, and Lilja are top defenses in the league. Lidstrom can do everyting, almost look like a quarterback in football. He can lead this team in both PP and PK. Besides, we don't need to say about his defensive skill, just amazing. But we cannot go on a way in the playoff with putting a young guy like Eriksson to replace the role of Lidstrom because I don't see anyone in this team right now can do as much as Lidstrom does; well Lidstrom is too good that will be also a reason but it is the truth. I know Eriksson is good but he is not certified yet whether he can play a level of NHL, not AHL.

I know defenses will do fine but goalies are more problems. Our offenses are already unsaturated.

Goalies, we will finally need a time to get a top goalie of the league. We know goalie in the Wings do not have to be super good as Luongo, or Brodeur. Not this season perfectly, but because our defenses are just really good so the goalies do not have to face as many shots as other goalies face. And the core of that process is Lidstrom, our captain.

But Lids will retire in a time, I guess at the end of his contract or 2 more seasons from that time. That means we finally need a goalie. I don't know how Howard, Larsson, or McColoum can do for us but they are still too young. This is what our Wings GM admistraters really have to concern about.

I think we can resign with Huds by 3million, I don't like giving him 4 million. Then, let's say Huds will stay here. However, if we sign both Franzen and Hossa, that means both players will end up their career in here Detroit. Even though Hossa will get old, he will be worth around 6 million. And Frazen will probably ask like between 4 and 5 million. And by this assumption of future cap, it will be almost impossible for us t get one real good defense and goalie unless goalies in the Griffins will be terrific.

Then, let's say we sign both Franzen and Hossa. Then what happens to our goalies and defenses? Ok, then let's suppose we get defenses, but what about goalies?

It will be very hard for us to decide but in my opinion, if we sign both Hossa and Franzen, we will be like the Flyers that we can win a game by only scoring, not very intensity.

So, I am in favor of signing only Franzen. I really love Hossa's playing here in Detroit but he is worth between 6million and 7million.

Wings won't ever go for a top goalie...thats not how it works...they will go for a top d-man. They know they can win without the best goalie. When Lidstrom does finally hang them up (which is who knows when) they will go out and try to get the best d-man in the league for the value. I'm not worried, I am just sad thinking about the team without Lidstrom...possibly the greatest 2 way defenseman of all time.

[thedisappearer 291]

btw i thought i saw someone write that Hossa has a NTC? is that true? if not then I bet there lots of good things we could get for him come trade deadline

He does, and even if he didn't, we wouldn't trade him. You may have missed it, but we are able to get people to take less money to play here *because* we don't selfish s*** like that.

[PROBIE4PREZ 58]

yes we do and heres how we do it :

[brett 1,029]

get rid of chelios and lebda, move errikson up. get rid of sams and flip. keep hossa. get rid of ozzie get backstrom. probably would never work but thats what id like to see