Hossa and Franzen to Stay?//Merged

[VM1138 1,921]

Trying to sign Franzen first seems a little backwards. The article doesn't come out and say that, but it seems Franzen is getting priority over Hossa? Or did Holland mean he had basically gotten a deal with Hossa, they just haven't hammered out the details?

[Ms_Hockey 0]

I haven't been overly impressed with Franzen or Sammy this season. I'd rather keep Flip and Hudler, who are young and much more consistent.

I've gotta be honest - I've been far more impressed by Sammy than by Flip this season.

[Hockey13Playa 240]

Take it for what its worth, but it just builds my anticipation to see if they both will be here next year.

The article mentions that Sammy would be the odd man out.

also hints at this years trade deadline, with Holland stating there more then likely to stay put.

I just hope to see Hossa signed up long term and in the wings orginization for years to come!

February 17, 2009 | 11:55am ET

Red Wings expect Franzen, Hossa back next year

TheFourthPeriod.com

The Red Wings expect to have Johan Franzen and Marian Hossa back in the fold next season, signed to new contracts, reports the Detroit Free Press.

Hossa told TFP over the weekend [see video] that he's enjoyed his time with the Wings and appears confident a deal will be reached.

According to the Free Press, negotiations with Franzen are moving in the right direction.

"I think we're in the ballpark, but we don't have a deal done," Wings GM Ken Holland told the paper. "They know I want to talk to [agent] Ritch Winter regarding Marian Hossa.

"I think we have a chance to keep both players, but that does mean other players have to move."

Forward Mikael Samuelsson can become an unrestricted free agent July 1, and if the Wings keep both Franzen and Hossa, he will move on.

Winger Jiri Hudler can become a restricted free agent July 1, and the Free Press suggests he might not return next year, either, although Holland has acknowledged in the past that he'd like to keep him. If the Wings lose him via an RFA offer sheet, they would receive draft pick compensation.

Meanwhile, the paper also reports the Wings are exploring their options leading up to the March 4 deadline.

"I don't see us being active, but we've got some names of some players that are cheaper, who make less than $1 million, who can give us depth up front and on the back end," Holland said. "It would have to be a trade, depending on the length of the contract. But we've got depth in the organization, and we're trying to keep being a legitimate contender, and that means hanging on to players and draft picks. It's important to have an influx of homegrown talent."

heres the link as well. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/det090217.html

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Great news that it appears that we might be able to keep both Hoss and Mule, however I'd still be disappointed if we lost Sammy and Huds.

[lb3000 1]

Sammy is not worth keeping with both Leino and Helm waiting for their spot. I think they will both quickly surpass Sammy in ability and usefulness to the team. Also, Hudler will most likely get too good an offer from another team to stay with the Wings that can't offer him much money. So hopefully if they both leave Holland can work his magic to get them decent deals and get Hossa and Mule to stay. I'm ok with saying goodbye to Sammy to get Leino or Helm a roster spot. I like Hudler, but the chances of him staying just look worse and worse.

[russianswede919293 95]

Great news that it appears that we might be able to keep both Hoss and Mule, however I'd still be disappointed if we lost Sammy and Huds.

If Hudler is willing to sign a short term deal then renogotiate when he would be a UFA in 2 years I think Holland could make it happen.

Don't be surprised if we only lose Sammy Chelios and COnklin from this years team.

[dicksmack 33]

Hudler will gone... Somebody like the Canucks will offer him 4 million. It's a hard choice but you can't have it both ways... C'est la vie...

[Frozen-Man 144]

Sammy is not worth keeping with both Leino and Helm waiting for their spot. I think they will both quickly surpass Sammy in ability and usefulness to the team. Also, Hudler will most likely get too good an offer from another team to stay with the Wings that can't offer him much money. So hopefully if they both leave Holland can work his magic to get them decent deals and get Hossa and Mule to stay. I'm ok with saying goodbye to Sammy to get Leino or Helm a roster spot. I like Hudler, but the chances of him staying just look worse and worse.

I agree but I also think that they will both quickly surpass him in salary as well which will make it hard to keep them both in a few years.

[Krystal 41]

Nice thread. There are some great quotes in there:

" I can't be the only one who remembers it took over 130 minutes of hockey for the Penguins to score a goal in the Finals?"

The playoffs are going to be a battle. I need some government bailout money so I can go buy a new flatscreen!

My parents got inheritance money to buy their new flatscreen... but their new flatscreen means I get an upgrade of their old one with mine Woot!

Playoff hockey can't come soon enough..

[russianswede919293 95]

Hudler will gone... Somebody like the Canucks will offer him 4 million. It's a hard choice but you can't have it both ways... C'est la vie...

If Hudler accepts arbitration with no intention of going to it, that blocks the ability for teams to offer him an offer. That is what Filppula did last season. He accepted arbitration and negotiated with Holland in order to not go to arbitration. It was his way of saying check this out, I don't want to go anywhere.

If Hudler wants to stay here I think you will see him do the same.

I am expecting Huds to accept arbitration and then sign a 2-3 year contract around 3 million per season.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Sammy is not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, but at this point, he can get both better money and better playing time elsewhere.

The miracle scenario:

Hossa, Franzen, Hudler, keep Flip

The it's not a miracle, it's just Kenny Holland scenario:

Hossa, 1 of Franzen or Hudler, keep Flip

The "we'll miss Hossa but these players don't suck by any stretch of the imagination" scenario:

Franzen, Hudler, keep Flip, maaaybe keep Sammy

The "Red Wings worst case still = the best 2nd line in the NHL" scenario

keep Hossa, Flip, Sammy (Sammy goes 3rd line, Leino on 2nd)

[Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Take it for what its worth, but it just builds my anticipation to see if they both will be here next year.

The article mentions that Sammy would be the odd man out.

also hints at this years trade deadline, with Holland stating there more then likely to stay put.

I just hope to see Hossa signed up long term and in the wings orginization for years to come!

heres the link as well. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/det090217.html

I know you said not to panic but just a word from the wise, for all who are taking solace in this development...... Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[wingslionstigers 12]

As much as i would like to see Hudler stay over Franzen, That being said if we could keep Hossa, Flip, Hudler.

It only makes sense to let Hudler go for the draft picks. Theres no way you can sign Hudler over Franzen for near the same price when you can benefit from those draft picks. I don't know how there managing to keep Hossa and Franzen if this is actually true but wow. Hopefully Clearly doesn't have to be moved for this to happen.

[Chunkylover 26]

I hate this time of year. I never want to see anyone traded away. Ken's got a tough job, and yet he does it so well.

After watching Leino play I wonder how difficult it will be to sign him if we've already signed Hossa and Franzen.

Hudler will probably go to St. Louis. Seems to be the thing to do once a player leaves Detroit: go to a divisional opponent.

Imagine next season we'll likely have four rookies on the roster. When was the last time that happened? And what kind of impact will that loss of experienced depth have on the team?

I agree with what others have said about Sammy; he's a solid two-way player who doesn't mind mucking it up in a scrum, but between Helm and Leino the absence of his production will be mitigated.

[Hank 0]

If Hudler accepts arbitration with no intention of going to it, that blocks the ability for teams to offer him an offer. That is what Filppula did last season. He accepted arbitration and negotiated with Holland in order to not go to arbitration. It was his way of saying check this out, I don't want to go anywhere.

If Hudler wants to stay here I think you will see him do the same.

I am expecting Huds to accept arbitration and then sign a 2-3 year contract around 3 million per season.

If Hudler wants that much, and Franzen and Hossa resign, then Holland will truly have to be a Wizard to keep Hudles.

The Cap is projected to decrease by $9M in two summers. I don't see how it's financially possible to fit all of them in.

We also have to remember that Leino is going to be an RFA as well. He'll be cheaper than Hudler and potentially a better producer.

I simply don't see it being possible that we can keep everyone.

If anything, while I'll be sad to see #26 go, if he does get signed by another team, at least we'll get some decent picks depending on what salary he commands - which could be between teh $2-3M range:

http://www.nhl.com/news/freelist07.html

OFFER COMPENSATION

$773,442 or below None

Over $773,442 to $1,171,882 3rd round choice

Over $1,171,882 to $2,343,765 2nd round choice

Over $2,343,765 to $3,515,647 1st and 3rd round choice

Over $3,515,647 to $4,687,530 1st, 2nd and 3rd-round choice

Over $4,687,530 to $5,859,412 Two 1st-round choices, one 2nd and one 3rd

Over $5,859,412 Four 1st-round choices

The Wings could potentially get a 1st and 3rd for Hudler. Depending on the team that grabs him, that could potentially be a top 10 or 15 pick. Not too shabby considering we'd lose him anyway.

[hokike 1]

do not forgrt that Leino , Helm and etc, are waiting their payday as well and red wings may be in position not to afford them in longterm.

The Cap is projected to decrease by $9M in two summers.

Especially with this scenario.

Edited February 17, 2009 by hokike

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I think we're going to see some crazy stuff happen. I think the league and the union are going to have fits. I think some surprising voluntary paycuts are around the corner. For instance: Maltby and Draper have been only "adequate" for most of the season. I think they will turn up the heat for the playoffs, but will be offered less money to come back. A lot less. And they will take it.

[Chunkylover 26]

The Cap is projected to decrease by $9M in two summers.

I'm sure you wouldn't post this if you didn't trust the source, so I don't deny that it's possible, but how in the heck could anyone project this? It was mentioned during the Columbus game last Friday league attendance is on the upswing and that will contribute to a raising of the Cap.

[Chunkylover 26]

I think some surprising voluntary paycuts are around the corner. For instance: Maltby and Draper have been only "adequate" for most of the season. I think they will turn up the heat for the playoffs, but will be offered less money to come back. A lot less. And they will take it.

You're probably right. I'd lump Holmstrom and Chelios in there as well.

[MacK_Attack 108]

I'm sure you wouldn't post this if you didn't trust the source, so I don't deny that it's possible, but how in the heck could anyone project this? It was mentioned during the Columbus game last Friday league attendance is on the upswing and that will contribute to a raising of the Cap.

Yeah, but the corporate dollars are going to dry up. Advertising, season tickets, private boxes....they'll all take a big hit when it comes to renewals this summer.

[e_prime 1,936]

You're probably right. I'd lump Holmstrom and Chelios in there as well.

Chelios won't be back.

Holmstrom? No. He's on the top line and is punished night in and night out by opposing teams. He should not take a paycut.

[Guest MrSandMan]

do not forgrt that Leino , Helm and etc, are waiting their payday as well and red wings may be in position not to afford them in longterm.

The Cap is projected to decrease by $9M in two summers.

Especially with this scenario.

We won't have Lidstrom's contract when that happens.

[Chunkylover 26]

Yeah, but the corporate dollars are going to dry up. Advertising, season tickets, private boxes....they'll all take a big hit when it comes to renewals this summer.

That's possible, but even in tough times businesses don't mind paying the price for advertising. Look at the arenas sponsored by airlines or automobile manufacturers; those industries have been struggling for a while yet they continue to find the money for naming rights. Look at how much was spent for Super Bowl ads. You may be right but, no offense, I hope you're wrong.

Chelios won't be back.

Holmstrom? No. He's on the top line and is punished night in and night out by opposing teams. He should not take a paycut.

I don't necessarily want Cheli back but you know he'll want to play. He hasn't ruled out playing somewhere else either.

Homer doesn't deserve a pay cut because as you said he is punished everytime he's on the ice but I think he would because he loves playing here.

[NomadFromKazoo 42]

I agree but I also think that they will both quickly surpass him in salary as well which will make it hard to keep them both in a few years.

I think the theory is with our main players signed up forever that eventually the economy improves, the cap goes up, and that's how we keep them. We lose Sammy, Huds, or some short term and fill them in with the farm which we can pay because the cost of our best players won't go up anymore.

[e_prime 1,936]

That's possible, but even in tough times businesses don't mind paying the price for advertising. Look at the arenas sponsored by airlines or automobile manufacturers; those industries have been struggling for a while yet they continue to find the money for naming rights. Look at how much was spent for Super Bowl ads. You may be right but, no offense, I hope you're wrong.

I don't necessarily want Cheli back but you know he'll want to play. He hasn't ruled out playing somewhere else either.

Homer doesn't deserve a pay cut because as you said he is punished everytime he's on the ice but I think he would because he loves playing here.

I wish Cheli all the luck in the world where ever he ends up playing next year. I just hope he's done in Detroit. (Not that he hasn't done great things here over the years, but I think it's time he's done.)

...and regarding Holmstrom I was referring to HOCKEYMATTERS (...and forgive me if I've read your post wrong) implication that Maltby and Draper take some form of paycut next season. (through contract restructuring? If that is all possible.) Again, apologies in advance if I am taking your post out of context.