2/13 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Blue Jackets 3

[titanium2 867]

[eva unit zero 271]

It's not the schedule's fault Babcock started Osgood.

Yeah, it's Osgood's fault he was playing for the second night in a row and the defense looked like s***. That's ALL Ozzie's fault, nobody else is to blame on that and the fact that the Wings won less than half of the faceoffs despite the fact they have three of the top thirty faceoff men in the league, including at least one of the top five, that's certainly to blame on the goaltender as well. Let's see, what else was Ozzie's fault? He kept the Wings in the game despite the fact they were being outplayed most of the game; he wasn't perfect but the Wings aren't that close to winning the game if not for Ozzie.

And Conklin's GAA over his last six games is about 2.85 with a save percentage of .882 on 24.1 shots per game, 4-2-0. 16 goals against on 136 shots in 338 minutes played.

Compared to Osgood's last six games:

3.30 GAA, .874, 26.2 spg, 3-2-1. 18 goals against on 143 shots in 327 minutes.

So for those of you claiming Conklin is some kind of great goalie...his stats recently look like the 'kid down the block' numbers you are pointing out that Osgood has been putting up, that Osgood has also put up over the same period. And the Wings' defense has been better for Conklin than it has been for Osgood in terms of allowing chances, at least in the last few games.

[j.hoop 64]

what a boring game, missed passes all night, blown tires all over the ice, we definitely didnt deserve or want to win this one, and it showed. on the other hand, it was a must win for columbus, and that showed too. VERY glad to see ozzy making some big saves, i agree with everyone else, columbus could of had six. oh well, season series tied at 2-2 with 4 more to go. time to pack up and head back home to face colorado, who we've YET to beat this year.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

And Conklin's GAA over his last six games is about 2.85 with a save percentage of .882 on 24.1 shots per game, 4-2-0. 16 goals against on 136 shots in 338 minutes played.

Compared to Osgood's last six games:

3.30 GAA, .874, 26.2 spg, 3-2-1. 18 goals against on 143 shots in 327 minutes.

so your point is that conklin has let in fewer goals, has a better save percentage, and has won more over the last six games?

[Doc Holiday 0]

so your point is that conklin has let in fewer goals, has a better save percentage, and has won more over the last six games?

Good to see the point has been missed.

[gcom007 1,465]

Yeah, it's Osgood's fault he was playing for the second night in a row and the defense looked like s***. That's ALL Ozzie's fault, nobody else is to blame on that and the fact that the Wings won less than half of the faceoffs despite the fact they have three of the top thirty faceoff men in the league, including at least one of the top five, that's certainly to blame on the goaltender as well. Let's see, what else was Ozzie's fault? He kept the Wings in the game despite the fact they were being outplayed most of the game; he wasn't perfect but the Wings aren't that close to winning the game if not for Ozzie.

And Conklin's GAA over his last six games is about 2.85 with a save percentage of .882 on 24.1 shots per game, 4-2-0. 16 goals against on 136 shots in 338 minutes played.

Compared to Osgood's last six games:

3.30 GAA, .874, 26.2 spg, 3-2-1. 18 goals against on 143 shots in 327 minutes.

So for those of you claiming Conklin is some kind of great goalie...his stats recently look like the 'kid down the block' numbers you are pointing out that Osgood has been putting up, that Osgood has also put up over the same period. And the Wings' defense has been better for Conklin than it has been for Osgood in terms of allowing chances, at least in the last few games.

That's what I keep saying...in 2009, Conklin and Osgood have played rather similarly and the numbers support that statement. I think Osgood can be better and I think he's on his way and will get there, but the D has been as bad if not worse. Actually, I think they've absolutely been worse. We could have Luongo and we wouldn't win the Cup with the D we've had. But again, I think things are on the up for this team.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Jackets deserved it. Outhustled the Wings most of the night.

Steve Mason is a beast.

[Outsider 42]

Do you even realize what you just said it's the opposite this year osgood is Hasek and conks is osgood

Well....

Except for the fact that when Osgood came in in relief of Hasek against Nashville, the Wings were replacing a goaltender who had played 119 Career Stanley Cup Play Off games, having notched 65 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Victories, while posting 14 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Shut-Outs, and earning one Ring as a Stanley Cup Champion with......

A goaltender who had played 88 Career Stanley Cup Play Off games, having notched 45 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Victories, while posting 10 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Shut-Outs, and earning one Ring as a Stanley Cup Champion.

So, to clarify, this year you'd be replacing a goaltender who has played 106 Career Stanley Cup Play Off games, having notched 59 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Victories, while posting 13 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Shut-Outs, and earning TWO Rings as a Stanley Cup Champion.....

With a goaltender who has.....(wait for it....)

Six minutes worth of Stanley Cup Play Off experience, a GAA of 10.00, and a SVP of .667.

But, other than that, I guess I can see where some folks might see the two situations as being similar.

In respone to an earlier question regarding why Babcock chose to play Ozzie in back to back games.....

The answer is:

Babcock recognizes this, too, and understands that he has to get Chris Osgood ready for the Play Offs. Because a healthy, confident, on-top-of-his-Game Chris Osgood is the Wings best option this Post Season.

[Yzermania 156]

Yeah, it's Osgood's fault he was playing for the second night in a row and the defense looked like s***. That's ALL Ozzie's fault, nobody else is to blame on that and the fact that the Wings won less than half of the faceoffs despite the fact they have three of the top thirty faceoff men in the league, including at least one of the top five, that's certainly to blame on the goaltender as well. Let's see, what else was Ozzie's fault? He kept the Wings in the game despite the fact they were being outplayed most of the game; he wasn't perfect but the Wings aren't that close to winning the game if not for Ozzie.

And Conklin's GAA over his last six games is about 2.85 with a save percentage of .882 on 24.1 shots per game, 4-2-0. 16 goals against on 136 shots in 338 minutes played.

Compared to Osgood's last six games:

3.30 GAA, .874, 26.2 spg, 3-2-1. 18 goals against on 143 shots in 327 minutes.

So for those of you claiming Conklin is some kind of great goalie...his stats recently look like the 'kid down the block' numbers you are pointing out that Osgood has been putting up, that Osgood has also put up over the same period. And the Wings' defense has been better for Conklin than it has been for Osgood in terms of allowing chances, at least in the last few games.

6 Shutouts

[Doc Holiday 0]

6 Shutouts

And?

[gcom007 1,465]

Well....

Except for the fact that when Osgood came in in relief of Hasek against Nashville, the Wings were replacing a goaltender who had played 119 Career Stanley Cup Play Off games, having notched 65 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Victories, while posting 14 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Shut-Outs, and earning one Ring as a Stanley Cup Champion with......

A goaltender who had played 88 Career Stanley Cup Play Off games, having notched 45 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Victories, while posting 10 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Shut-Outs, and earning one Ring as a Stanley Cup Champion.

So, to clarify, this year you'd be replacing a goaltender who has played 106 Career Stanley Cup Play Off games, having notched 59 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Victories, while posting 13 Career Stanley Cup Play Off Shut-Outs, and earning TWO Rings as a Stanley Cup Champion.....

With a goaltender who has.....(wait for it....)

Six minutes worth of Stanley Cup Play Off experience, a GAA of 10.00, and a SVP of .667.

But, other than that, I guess I can see where some folks might see the two situations as being similar.

In respone to an earlier question regarding why Babcock chose to play Ozzie in back to back games.....

The answer is:

Babcock recognizes this, too, and understands that he has to get Chris Osgood ready for the Play Offs. Because a healthy, confident, on-top-of-his-Game Chris Osgood is the Wings best option this Post Season.

Yeah. Thanks for going the extra mile. I was lazy. But I agree completely. I see Conklin these days and I mistake him for Legace. Although, Conklin's attitude and demeanor seem about 10X more tolerable then Legace's considering his self-aggrandizing and suicidal mood-swings...

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

Babcock recognizes this, too, and understands that he has to get Chris Osgood ready for the Play Offs. Because a healthy, confident, on-top-of-his-Game Chris Osgood is the Wings best option this Post Season.

i agree, the problem is that we haven't seen anything close to a confident, on-top-of-his-game osgood this year, and we're 56 games in. osgood needs to get his head back in the game somehow, clearly it's not something he's going to play through. i think he needs to sit for a couple of breaks, get some air, and come back focused.

[Outsider 42]

No surprise you had no response to the rest of his post, ESAD. Pretty typical of you.

Anyways, this game wasn't lost because of goaltending, lack of an enforcer, or lack of talent. I think it was simply a lack of effort and sloppy play. Sure, Osgood had one you could really blame on him, but he had at least three or four that should've been goals.

For some reason, and I have no stats to back this up, it seems like the defense simply plays better in front of Conklin.

Typically, most Teams DO play better in front of their back-up goaltender. Just as they play better in front of the raw rook who gets called up to fill in during an injury.

[gcom007 1,465]

6 Shutouts

Well, at least he's got more shutouts this season than career playoff minutes!

[gcom007 1,465]

i agree, the problem is that we haven't seen anything close to a confident, on-top-of-his-game osgood this year, and we're 56 games in. osgood needs to get his head back in the game somehow, clearly it's not something he's going to play through. i think he needs to sit for a couple of breaks, get some air, and come back focused.

I don't think Osgood has been great in 2009 but I think he's been playing better. I think he really has been a victim of some horrible defensive breakdowns that make him look worse than he is right now. I truly think he'll find his A-Game in the next 3-4 weeks as other things get sorted out. And truthfully, we really don't need the A-Game until then.

[Yzermania 156]

Well, at least he's got more shutouts this season than career playoff minutes!

so are we talking about past acomplishments or the play of the two goaltenders this season?

i would never take anything away from what ozzy has done in the past but that's what it is now, the past. If everyone wants to keep being loyal and saying that nothing is wrong with ozzy's play, I assume you will all be fine with a first round playoff exit? Anyone who doesn't praise ozzy's mediocre(to at times, atrocious) play gets labeled as a "hater" instantly it seems which is quite funny, yet it is okay to constantly bash players like sammy, lils the second he makes a mistake and anyone else with the snap of a finger, yet they have all had more of a positive contribution to this team THIS year. But hey, if we get knocked out early, we can always watch videos of Ozzy's '98 and '08 runs and that will make everything better.

[dat's sick 1,002]

When I quit buying tickets (have you ever bought tickets from Sweden?) and supporting the team will be the day I have no right to critisize the product I support.

Of course you have the right to criticize the Wings.

Just kinda funny/sad how you show up like clockwork everytime the Wings lose to rehash the same tired old bulls***.

Anyone who watched the game tonight could see that our loss had nothing to do with not having an enforcer.

And that comment about the tickets is so mind-numbingly stupid that I can only assume you're joking.

P.S. You also have the right to say something positive about the Wings once in a while. But you're not going to exercise that right, are you?

[Wingsallwin 0]

I think Ozzie was good but let me say something: I am sick of hearing it is not Osgood's fault. Goalies should be responsible for all goals they allow every game. If goalies do not make big saves, why are there goalies in the net?

We did not play bad defensively and offensively. Some turnovers occur and our pp was bad but you cannot blame that everyday because we have played well lately.

Mason stole the game, but Ozzie did not. Has Osgood stolen any game? I meant, throughtly whole game. Like the 3rd goal, what is that I mean? That was not even a good shot but that happens pretty much a lot of days on Osgood.

People here jeer about Turco because he was in slump. How is his recent record? He has been IMPRVOED and makes big saves and boost up the Stars. Osgood has never done that this season.

If you guys think Osgood will get hot immediately in the playoff because of experience and number of games, that is deadly wrong thinking. How can we expect one of the worst goalie in the league will be terrific during the playoff?

[Doc Holiday 0]

I think Ozzie was good but let me say something: I am sick of hearing it is not Osgood's fault. Goalies should be responsible for all goals they allow every game. If goalies do not make big saves, why are there goalies in the net?

We did not play bad defensively and offensively. Some turnovers occur and our pp was bad but you cannot blame that everyday because we have played well lately.

Mason stole the game, but Ozzie did not. Has Osgood stolen any game? I meant, throughtly whole game. Like the 3rd goal, what is that I mean? That was not even a good shot but that happens pretty much a lot of days on Osgood.

People here jeer about Turco because he was in slump. How is his recent record? He has been IMPRVOED and makes big saves and boost up the Stars. Osgood has never done that this season.

If you guys think Osgood will get hot immediately in the playoff because of experience and number of games, that is deadly wrong thinking. How can we expect one of the worst goalie in the league will be terrific during the playoff?

You know what I'm sick of hearing? Long posts discussing how a single player on the team is at fault for losing games.

Because that is just about all that happens here.

I'm also curious to know how many games Osgood stole last playoffs? I don't remember any games won solely because of Ozzie yet we won a cup with him in net.

Edited February 14, 2009 by Doc Holiday

[Outsider 42]

i agree, the problem is that we haven't seen anything close to a confident, on-top-of-his-game osgood this year, and we're 56 games in.

Point #1 - It's not 56 games in for Chris Osgood. He's played 29 games. Look how many games it's taken Turco to get his game back.

osgood needs to get his head back in the game somehow,

Point #2 - Only way to "get his head back in the game", is to GET "back in the game". Period. That's not gonna happen from the bench.

clearly it's not something he's going to play through.

Point #3 - Not getting 50% of the starts, no. And certainly not sitting for 7-8 days in between starts. The only way to get through it, is to play through it.

i think he needs to sit for a couple of breaks, get some air, and come back focused.

Point #4 - Above, you state that "it's not something he's going to play through". Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but sitting him for 50% of the games, including stretches of a week or more at a time, certainly hasn't yielded altogether satisfactory results.

Try another tack....

Keep throwing him out there. It's always, (and I do mean always), worked before. He's a battler. Give him time, and he'll respond.

But he can't battle from the bench. He's got to play.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Oh cripes, not the "we need an enforcer, that's why we lost/are losing/will lose" argument. Look, I don't think enforcers are unimportant. I don't think fighting is unimportant. They clearly are, or else teams wouldn't utilize them.

However, I get sick and tired of every time we lose, someone having to blame the loss on a lack of someone knocking people over and starting fights. It's like some of you have a one-track mind with that s***. It gets old. We lost because of poor defense and Ozzie letting in a couple goals he shouldn't have. I would guess that about 99% of our losses can be attributed to the above scenario, not because we didn't have Aaron Downey on the ice.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Turco just flat out stole the game vs. the Canucks tonight. It does happen.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Oh cripes, not the "we need an enforcer, that's why we lost/are losing/will lose" argument. Look, I don't think enforcers are unimportant. I don't think fighting is unimportant. They clearly are, or else teams wouldn't utilize them.

However, I get sick and tired of every time we lose, someone having to blame the loss on a lack of someone knocking people over and starting fights. It's like some of you have a one-track mind with that s***. It gets old. We lost because of poor defense and Ozzie letting in a couple goals he shouldn't have. I would guess that about 99% of our losses can be attributed to the above scenario, not because we didn't have Aaron Downey on the ice.

just one goal, really, but... yeah.

[Wingsallwin 0]

You know what I'm sick of hearing? Long posts discussing how a single player on the team is at fault for losing games.

Because that is just about all that happens here.

Ok, then answer to my point about Osgood's performance this season. I am saying negative about Osgood, but not all him. I never mentioned we lost tonight's game all because of Osgood.

[SDavis35 140]

6-1-0 in February, against 7 consecutive "fight for our lives" playoff teams. No issues from my perspective. We looked tired tonight, we played tired, but we've had jump every other game this month.