More russians to red wings?

[luvmnger 125]

we need a 4'x6' somoan in net.

nuff' said.

[Dominator2005 558]

I think we need to tap that South American market before it's to late

:rotflmao:

[Dominator2005 558]

I think that Detroit lost its enthusiasm for Russian players after Grigorenko and all the B.S. the Russian Hockey federation has pulled over the past 10 years. Russia can pay it's players as much as the NHL can with the salary cap so drafting them becomes a risk if they don't want to come over.

[The Secret 304]

I think it's time for Håkan Andersson to go to russia and siberia to draft some new russian kids, red wings in the 90's had so many russians and it was very successful, wings don't even have a russian in their prospect system (kolosov is from belarus), imagine datsyuk with a few russian buddies to whoop some ass... feels like the caps has got all the russians now... could be hard to get the skilled moscow players cause they go in the 1st round or trade for skilled russians cause most of them cost alot of money, but maybe another outcast in siberia can be found with a lil' andersson magic?

Most of you will probably say, like always "blabla nationallity doesnt matter they just gotta fit in the system" but overlook that for a bit, don't you miss some russians though?

I want some good Canadian boys 1st and foremost... then some Yankee's. We need more North American Influence in our style of play. Some more players willing to play hard at every aspect of the game including hitting, sticking up for one another, and fighting if necessary.

[The Secret 304]

Ok so I've been thinking..

You know how Proby was coked up fairly often some time ago? Maybe the team can get a Russian enforcer and spike his gatorade bottle with 75% vodka and watch all hell break out on the opponents. Babs yells from the benches, 'THAT'LL MAKE YOU THINK TWICE ABOUT RUNNING OUR SKILL GUYS'.

Hahaha, this is a perfect idea. Probie had trouble bring his illegal inspiration over the boarder but you can buy Vodka at the gas station on the way to the game in Michigan can't you. Shoreline might be onto something here. Funny stuff.

[WingNutt 12]

I agree with you Mind, We need more Russian players, I actually miss having Danny Markov on the team, he added a lot I thought.

I also agree that nationality doesen't really matter a whole lot, except if you take into consideration the chemistry of players, All Russians play together well, is this because of national pride? or because they were born in the same spot of the world? no, its because Russian players all grow up playing a similar style or type of hockey. So in the long run, the more Canadians playing with Canadians will play better together, same with Swedes.

Canadians and American's play well together because they grow up playing similar styles of hockey, great hockey players can adjust this but will always have better chemistry with their countrymen.

oh and the whole lets draft from south America, Antarctica, etc etc, thing is old was funny the first time and it wasn't necessary to keep mocking Mind because of his opinion.

my .2

[55fan 5,133]

The KHL has made drafting players less enticing than it was a decade ago, but I do agree that if a player is good, we'll hear about him. While nationality is not a determinant of talent, they do have good hockey over there and good players. If we can get a good one, we go for it; if not, we get someone else.

There's just one player of a particular race I'd like to add to the Wings based on origin alone. I want a Klingon enforcer.

[norrisnick 1]

I think we should go to Kazikstan and draft players because...

Kazikstan is the greatest country in the world, all other countries are run by little girls...

Antropov was a longshot, but I'd have flipped Flip for him and a pick.

[stormboy 47]

I think it's time for Håkan Andersson to go to mars and venus to draft some new alien kids, red wings in the 90's had so many aliens and it was very successful, wings don't even have a martian in their prospect system (kolosov is from jupiter), imagine datsyuk with a few alien buddies to probe some ass... feels like the caps has got all the green men now... could be hard to get the skilled red planet players cause they go in the 1st round or trade for skilled extra-terrestrials cause most of them cost alot of money, but maybe another outcast in our solar system can be found with a lil' andersson magic?

Most of you will probably say, like always "blabla species doesnt matter they just gotta fit in the system" but overlook that for a bit, don't you miss some storm troopers though?

great thread.

[LeftWinger 5,152]

I think it's time for Håkan Andersson to go to russia and siberia to draft some new russian kids, red wings in the 90's had so many russians and it was very successful, wings don't even have a russian in their prospect system (kolosov is from belarus), imagine datsyuk with a few russian buddies to whoop some ass... feels like the caps has got all the russians now... could be hard to get the skilled moscow players cause they go in the 1st round or trade for skilled russians cause most of them cost alot of money, but maybe another outcast in siberia can be found with a lil' andersson magic?

Most of you will probably say, like always "blabla nationallity doesnt matter they just gotta fit in the system" but overlook that for a bit, don't you miss some russians though?

Outside of Fedorov, Konstantinov and Kozlov (all of which were drafted from the Red Army team and never were expected to come to the NHL) just hpw many successful Russians have in the 90's? I am not knocking Russians, but you make this statement with the assertion that the Wings had SO many successful Russians in the 90's that its time to go back, because the talent is undiscovered. Pretty much after Communism fell any Russian that wa "Great"either left at that point or was already here by defecting. Sure there are some really talented Russian kids out there, but it says something when the Soviet Leagues are going after NHL players to be superstars in their leagues. Any player that is good enough to make the NHL is already being scouted. In my opinion the Russian talent pool was tapped out a long time ago! But, I am the sure the Wings have scouts all over Europe watching players and there probably isn't any Russian kid that hasn't been seen by Andersson and many other NHL scouts.

BTW, its not like the Wings had a ton of Russians to begin with, they've always had more Swedes than Russians in their system and take away Fedorov, Kozlov & Konstantinov and the Swede's have been FAR more successful in Detroit.

[norrisnick 1]

Outside of Fedorov, Konstantinov and Kozlov (all of which were drafted from the Red Army team and never were expected to come to the NHL) just hpw many successful Russians have in the 90's? I am not knocking Russians, but you make this statement with the assertion that the Wings had SO many successful Russians in the 90's that its time to go back, because the talent is undiscovered. Pretty much after Communism fell any Russian that wa "Great"either left at that point or was already here by defecting. Sure there are some really talented Russian kids out there, but it says something when the Soviet Leagues are going after NHL players to be superstars in their leagues. Any player that is good enough to make the NHL is already being scouted. In my opinion the Russian talent pool was tapped out a long time ago! But, I am the sure the Wings have scouts all over Europe watching players and there probably isn't any Russian kid that hasn't been seen by Andersson and many other NHL scouts.

BTW, its not like the Wings had a ton of Russians to begin with, they've always had more Swedes than Russians in their system and take away Fedorov, Kozlov & Konstantinov and the Swede's have been FAR more successful in Detroit.

During Fedorov's 13 year Red Wing career the Wings had more Swedes than Russians only once. And that was Sergei's rookie year when he was the first and only Detroit Russian and the Wings had Johan Garpenlov and Par Djoos on the roster. Hell, for 3 years in the early 90s Lidstrom was our only Swede as we were accumulating the Russian 5 and after Eriksson left and before Zetterberg joined up Nick and Homer were our only Swedes.

It wasn't until after the '04-'05 lockout that the Swedish explosion happened.

[bonan78 1]

To hell with that, bring back Probert and coke him up again.

BTW, every time I read threads like this I think about that one thread where people were bitching that there aren't enough North Americans on the team and they don't watch the Wings as much because they can't identify with the players or pronounce their names. I think we should dump everyone save Nick, Hank and Pavs and sign players from Iceland. Or pick a country whose language is virtually unpronounceable to someone not from that country. One, I'd love to see Mick try and say them. Two, I want to see those fans whining and weeping that our team is too finesse and not physical enough. Their pain nourishes me.

If you want unpronouceable, try Indian or Pakistani, plus it's a completely untapped demographic.

[T.Low 1,011]

Can we trade Mindfly to Russia for a bottle of cheap vodka and a russian mail order bride?

Only if its a mail order bride salary dump. Otherwise, no Russian in their right mind would make that trade. There's no cheap vodka cheap enough!

I like how you think, though.

[RedWingedKitten 9]

RWK, thank you so much for this! I used to have it faved but lost it. That brought back such great memories. You're a sweetheart! That is, I'm assuming you're a girl? Hell, even if you're not, you're still a sweetheart!

Oh man, I knew when I put 'kitten' in my name this would happen. I almost went two years! lol! I don't even remember why I chose this name, I guess it's because I like kittens, and the Red Wings.

No problem with the video, it's one of my favorites too.

And thanks for the sweet heart comment.

Edited March 10, 2009 by RedWingedKitten

[AusWing13 0]

I think we should dump everyone save Nick, Hank and Pavs and sign players from Iceland.

Whatever happened to Gunner Stahl? After that loss to team USA at the Junior Goodwill Games he faded into oblivion.

Actually while we're on it, you reckon Julie "The Cat" Gaffney could solve our goaltending issues?

[WingNutt 12]

Outside of Fedorov, Konstantinov and Kozlov (all of which were drafted from the Red Army team and never were expected to come to the NHL) just hpw many successful Russians have in the 90's? I am not knocking Russians, but you make this statement with the assertion that the Wings had SO many successful Russians in the 90's that its time to go back, because the talent is undiscovered. Pretty much after Communism fell any Russian that wa "Great"either left at that point or was already here by defecting. Sure there are some really talented Russian kids out there, but it says something when the Soviet Leagues are going after NHL players to be superstars in their leagues. Any player that is good enough to make the NHL is already being scouted. In my opinion the Russian talent pool was tapped out a long time ago! But, I am the sure the Wings have scouts all over Europe watching players and there probably isn't any Russian kid that hasn't been seen by Andersson and many other NHL scouts.

BTW, its not like the Wings had a ton of Russians to begin with, they've always had more Swedes than Russians in their system and take away Fedorov, Kozlov & Konstantinov and the Swede's have been FAR more successful in Detroit.

There were plenty of other good Russians in that time, a lot more now but still it wasn't as common back then because of Russia's national position back then.

On the Wings, your forgetting Igor Larionov, and Vyacheslav Fetisov.

and I'm just wondering how you forgot Pavel Bure in the mix or Yashin?, of successful Russian's in the 90s

not being biased but Russians are arguebly the best players in the world today when it comes to hockey, Don't agree look at just a few of the Russian's destroying the game today,

Pavel Datsyuk, Alexander Ovechkin, Evegeni Malkin, Ilya Kovalchuk, Alexei Kovalev, Maxim Afinogenov Ukraine born Nikolai Zherdev. the list goes on and on also goaltenders Nabokov, Bryzgalov, and Khabibulin.

and all jokes aside Nikolai Antropov is from Kazakhstan I'd take Nik and Borat on the Wings any day.

[Jocke 53]

More Swedes to red wings

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Just take a look at the 88-89 roster for the Red Army Team, CSKA Moscow;

24 Sergei Makarov 1958-06-19 30 R 44 21 33 54 42

9 Vladimir Krutov 1960-06-01 28 F 35 20 21 41 12

19 Vyacheslav Bykov 1960-07-24 28 C 40 16 20 36 10

15 Andrei Khomutov 1961-04-21 27 R 44 19 16 35 14

13 Valeri Kamensky 1966-04-18 22 L 40 18 10 28 30

8 Igor Larionov 1960-12-03 27 C 31 15 12 27 22

12 Pavel Bure 1971-03-31 17 R 32 17 9 26 8

14 Alexander Mogilny 1969-02-18 19 R 31 11 11 22 24

6 Alexei Kasatonov 1959-10-14 28 D 41 8 14 22 8

22 Igor Vyazmikin 1966-01-08 22 L 30 10 7 17 20

2 Viacheslav Fetisov 1958-04-20 30 D 23 9 8 17 18

18 Sergei Fedorov 1969-12-13 18 C 44 9 8 17 35

11 Evgeny Davydov 1967-05-27 21 L 35 9 7 16 4

29 Igor Chibirev 1968-04-19 20 C 34 7 9 16 16

16 Vladimir Konstantinov 1967-03-19 21 D 37 7 8 15 20

5 Alexei Gusarov 1964-07-08 24 D 42 5 4 9 37

7 Vladimir Malakhov 1968-08-30 20 D 34 6 2 8 16

4 Igor Kravchuk 1966-09-13 21 D 22 3 4 7 2

27 Pavel Kostitshkin 1968-11-09 19 R 31 4 2 6 16

3 Sergei Starikov 1958-12-04 29 D 30 3 3 6 4

10 Valeri Zelepukin 1968-09-17 19 L 17 2 3 5 2

32 Sergei Zubov 1970-07-22 18 D 29 1 4 5 10

21 Igor Stelnov 1963-02-12 25 D 37 1 3 4 10

28 Igor Malykhin 1969-06-06 19 D 36 0 3 3 18

25 Alik Gareyev 1970-02-13 18 F 8 1 1 2 2

30 Igor Ivanov 1970-10-26 17 D 16 1 1 2 11

26 Andrei Kovalenko 1970-06-07 18 R 10 1 0 1 0

23 Mikhail Vasilyev 1962-06-08 26 R 10 0 1 1 2

26 Stanislav Panfilenkov 1969-09-28 18 R

31 Konstantin Bakhutashvily 1970-12-30 17 G 1 0 0 0 0

28 Egor Bashkatov 1971-04-23 17 C 1 0 0 0 0

29 Denis Vinokurov

Now what NHL side would have stopped them that year?

[Andy Pred 48 337]

If your looking for new Russian talent for the draft this year heres 3 I think will be

worth picking.

Maxim Kitsyn, Vladimir Tarasenko and Nikita Klyukin. Also Maxim Trunev is a good prospect.

Someone who the Blues picked in '02 is available i think, Andrei Mikhnov 6'6" 220lb LW. Big grinding 4th line type.

[Doggy 130]

Yeah, Detroit's European scouting needs to change things up because what they're doing now isn't working at all.

BTW Stolyarov is a Russian prospect. Just sayin'.