The misconception that Datsyuk and Zetterberg are equal

[RusDRW 155]

JeffBridges you are bordering on manical over this. You seem absolutely intent on proving your point at any cost.

If I may, you asked what if ANY proof people had that Zetterberg was remotley close to Datsyuk in skill or numbers or whatever.

The NHL has this thing they give out at the end of the playoffs called a Conn Smythe Trophy, given to that season's playoff MVP, not just given for 5 on 3 pentaly kills, not just for faceoffs, not just for points scored but front to back, beginning to end playoff MVP. Last year, that trophy was won by Henrik Zetterberg.

just wanting to say that Jeff is not the only one Conn Smyte? I would say this trophy should belong to Lids in 2008

[Electrophile 3,554]

Jesus, did Hank burn your houses down? Get you fired?

[55fan 5,133]

just wanting to say that Jeff is not the only one Conn Smyte? I would say this trophy should belong to Lids in 2008

The problem with basing an argument on the Conn Smythe, is that so many could have gotten it. Ozzie, Franzen, Dats, and Lids all have strong cases for them. Hank's name certainly belongs in the discussion. I'm just glad I didn't have to make the choice. My pro-Ozzie bias would have shown.

If people use only that, and nothing else to "prove" that Hank is better, then their argument falls flat. I'm sure Ralph Macchio will agree when/if he shows up.

Of course, Hank has much more going for him than just the Conn Smythe. Pavel has much more going for him than the Lady Byng.

Evgeni Nabokov just said in an interview that he ranks Dats over Ovie, Crosby and Malkin. Pav is getting noticed, and he deserves it.

It will be interesting to look back at the end of their (hopefully long) careers and compare.

[RusDRW 155]

It is time to stop this discussion. Both Eva and Elentro-something expressed their minds so we have nothing to discuss about according to these boards Zetter is much better cause he has those long hairs.... it is not that easy to live in a world controlled by women..

[Electrophile 3,554]

It is time to stop this discussion. Both Eva and Elentro-something expressed their minds so we have nothing to discuss about according to these boards Zetter is much better cause he has those long hairs.... it is not that easy to live in a world controlled by women..

Hey look everyone, it's a misogynist! To my knowledge, eva unit zero is a male. And while yes I am female, that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Edited March 26, 2009 by Electrophile

[55fan 5,133]

Wait! Wait! I'm a girl too and I think Dats is better. (Taking nothing away from Hank, of course.)

We have to keep going. Shaun Cassidy is depending on us.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Wait! Wait! I'm a girl too and I think Dats is better. (Taking nothing away from Hank, of course.)

We have to keep going. Shaun Cassidy is depending on us.

Shaun Cassidy? No, you gotta go with Leif Garrett.

[55fan 5,133]

Shaun Cassidy? No, you gotta go with Leif Garrett.

I think I'm on to something here...

Pav and Hank are our Ponch and Jon,

our Bo and Luke,

our Gage and Roy,

our Kevin and Frankie,

our Timmy and Lassie....

Sometimes one is the hero, sometimes the other one is, but at the end of the day, they're a team. They know each other inside and out and will go balls-to-the-wall for each other.

Which one someone prefers is a matter of what they see that they like. Dekes, stickhandling, faceoffs, goals, assists, offense, defense, PP, PK... it's all part of the game, and each does his part. Some people are swayed by the beauty of a Datsukian deke. Others are swayed by killing a 5-on-3.

Eurotwins. Something for everyone.

[Electrophile 3,554]

I think I'm on to something here...

Pav and Hank are our Ponch and Jon,

our Bo and Luke,

our Gage and Roy,

our Kevin and Frankie,

our Timmy and Lassie....

Sometimes one is the hero, sometimes the other one is, but at the end of the day, they're a team. They know each other inside and out and will go balls-to-the-wall for each other.

Which one someone prefers is a matter of what they see that they like. Dekes, stickhandling, faceoffs, goals, assists, offense, defense, PP, PK... it's all part of the game, and each does his part. Some people are swayed by the beauty of a Datsukian deke. Others are swayed by killing a 5-on-3.

Eurotwins. Something for everyone.

So which one is Flipper? (And don't say Flip)

[Broken 16 381]

Datsyuk is head and shoulders more talented and unique than Zetterberg.

Zetterberg is solid and talented. Datsyuk is special and unique.

[Doggy 130]

Datsyuk is head and shoulders more talented and unique than Zetterberg.

Zetterberg is solid and talented. Datsyuk is special and unique.

I didn't know Datsyuk's mama posted on LGW.

[Electrophile 3,554]

I didn't know Datsyuk's mama posted on LGW.

That would be funny if she were alive.

[Doggy 130]

That would be funny if she were alive.

Morbid.

[Broken 16 381]

I didn't know Datsyuk's mama posted on LGW.

Did I mention how well he fills out a pair of jeans?

[Electrophile 3,554]

Morbid.

No, it's just that his mother passed on when he was young, if what I had read here was correct. In any event, I think parents can be far more critical than fans.

[Doggy 130]

No, it's just that his mother passed on when he was young, if what I had read here was correct. In any event, I think parents can be far more critical than fans.

You're just a barrel of laughs tonight.

[Electrophile 3,554]

You're just a barrel of laughs tonight.

I try. I made sure to take my funny pill this morning, along with the smart-ass pill......so count yourself lucky you're here for this.

[TheHoff 0]

I'd say Datsyuk gets the edge imo, but both players compliment each other very well. The only problem I see with Zetterberg this year is the penalties he's taking compared to Datsyuk. Great two way players, so its a tough one to choose between them.

[clutchngrab 12]

Actually for me at forward it goes:

First Dats followed by Hossa at a close second and Z a close third. Then a bit of a ways off is Franzen and then a larger gap between (take your pick) Cleary, Homer, Huds, Flip. I don't like to debate about who is better after the top 4 because alot has to do with the roles and situations required and who is hot or cold, etc.

But w/out a doubt, to have 3 elite guys who bring it every game is a blessing that we need to enjoy this year because it ain't happening again anytime soon.

Edited March 27, 2009 by clutchngrab

[stactum 4]

I, honestly, always felt that the difference between them follows like that:

I have to give Zetterberg an advantage in overall "drive" - he does look a little bit more motivated out there and has better leadership qualities that were clearly displayed during last playoff run.

Datsyuk's skills set is much better (I personally think the best in the league) and he has a better hockey seance and can make anybody who plays with him a better player but his inability to advance in English doesn't give him any good. He is sort of quiet leader on the ice that leads by example.

I also think that you can find players similar to Zetterberg, but you won't find anybody like Datsyuk.

Edited March 27, 2009 by stactum

[zetterbergfan 23]

Red Wings All-time playoff scoring leaders

It would be interesting to see how different this conversation would be if the topic were started today. I wonder how many people would jump onto the other bandwagon.

Zetterberg gets it done defensively and puts up points against opponents top lines. I would say Datysuk plays better when paired with Z, just as it appears that Z is better when on a line with Datsyuk. But statistically, Zetterberg is clutch in the playoffs.

[Antilles328 0]

Red Wings All-time playoff scoring leaders

It would be interesting to see how different this conversation would be if the topic were started today. I wonder how many people would jump onto the other bandwagon.

Zetterberg gets it done defensively and puts up points against opponents top lines. I would say Datysuk plays better when paired with Z, just as it appears that Z is better when on a line with Datsyuk. But statistically, Zetterberg is clutch in the playoffs.

I think half of Z's playoff goals have been empty netters. Franzen is indisputably the clutch playoff performer this year.

Regardless, I am of the mindset that both Datsyuk and Zetterberg are great in their own ways. Some categories Dats is better, some categories Zets is better but the differences balance out to two great players that I am glad are on my favorite hockey team.

This argument is fun though. It's like asking "Which Victoria's Secret Model is the most attractive?".

[Turretin 0]

Gentlemen:

Put this thread down, and slowly back away. It's for all of our sakes.

[zetterbergfan 23]

I think half of Z's playoff goals have been empty netters. Franzen is indisputably the clutch playoff performer this year.

Regardless, I am of the mindset that both Datsyuk and Zetterberg are great in their own ways. Some categories Dats is better, some categories Zets is better but the differences balance out to two great players that I am glad are on my favorite hockey team.

This argument is fun though. It's like asking "Which Victoria's Secret Model is the most attractive?".

A grand total of 5 of Z's 34 playoff goals are empty-netters. I agree, I am happy both are Red Wings and even happier when they are together on the same line. I just think Z has a better all-around game and comes up huge on both sides of the puck when it matters most.

[hooon 1,089]

its true zetterberg is great defensively but so is datsyuk. Datsyuk is clearly the better player IMO, and by a wide margin. Zetterberg has certainly had his moments, but as previously mentioned, they arent very consistent. Thats not a knock on zetterberg, only in comparison to the great datsyuk.

i always thought it a little odd that zetterberg got the smythe last year. I think that was more to do with the wings being soo evenly spread out in terms of their talent, it would be tough to choose one player. Basically, zetterbergs play against crosby on the 5 on 3 last year where he tied up his stick is the MAIN reason he got the consmythe. Without that play, it would have gone to someone else.

In any event. Both of these players are gonna need to step and start scoring goals. Datsyuk is certainly due, and id love to see that D-Z connection get going like we all know it can.