Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Good for Franzen and the Wings if he re-signs at a reasonable contract -- hopefully with some sort of stipulation that concerns the future cap hit, if the Wings are smart. But the funny thing is if Hossa doesn't re-sign with the Wings without a doubt we're going to see a lot of butt-hurt, whiny ass topics from people who got all attached to a rental just like the Penguins fans we made fun of this last summer/fall. Ironic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 as much as i'd want hossa, franzen makes the most sense. especially if we can get a cap hit between 3.5 and 3.8 or so. i've loved having hossa, but keeping him might prove to be too difficult. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 I wonder if Mule's value has actually come down this season given all the 30+ goal scorers this year - something like 35 players are projected to be in that bracket this season. 5 years ago that would've won you the rocket Richard award. As long as we don't give him a stupidly long contract (only 5-6 years) for under $4 per year, then I'm happy. I'd still rather have Hossa mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Too me it sounds like Holland has given up on Hoss. It would make much more sense to get Hossa signed, and give Franzen, the one who seems way more eager to stay, a contract with that's left over. Because you know he'll be willing to stay with whatever trades, shuffling needs to be done. He'll wait. I feel Hossa will have too many people throwing themselves at him this summer. Holland isn't giving up on Hossa. I'm sure he has an idea about how he is going about this. He's not gunna lose Hossa without a fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dallas27 7 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) 5 years with a cap hit of 3 million would be orgasmic *edit* And give them an outside shot to keep Hossa Edited April 2, 2009 by dallas27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 This is the first time that I've actually looked at the Wings' situation as a win-win-win (haha). 1)Wings win if they sign Franzen but not Hossa, because they now have a proven goal scorer, probably the most clutch player in the league, and is more than half way to a solid old time power forward, an endangered species in the nhl. The Wings also get 2-3M extra to sign 2nd-3rd line players and keep a larger portion of the core together. That plus Leino and Ericcson. 2)Wings win if they sign Hossa but not Franzen, who is of the same calibre of Zetterberg and Datsyuk, something that was considered impossible to have on the same team in a salary cap era. The guy has a great shot, too. That plus Leino and Ericcson. 3)Wings win if they sign both Hossa and Franzen, for all the obvious reasons that LGW has boasted about for the past year, even at the expense of Hudler and/or Sammy and/or Fillppula and/or Kopecky and/or Lebda and/or Lilja. That plus Leno and Ericcson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 I love Hoss, but Johan is a Detroit Red Wing. He's the kind of player the Wings have always built their teams with and why the Wings have always been successful. To hell with the salary cap.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Cool! $4M for Franzen! That means we'll be getting a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd when Hudler signs elsewhere for his $4M!!! YEAH!!!!! Hossa & Franzen at any expense! Bye bye Huds, Flip & Sammy! Edited April 2, 2009 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 After futher consideration and given time to diget this I withdraw my past statements on this subject. I would rather have Franzen than neither. It jus dosesn't make sense to me that Detroit would sign Hossa to a one year deal to only let him go after that one season. I realize that with the type of player he is and the type of money that a player like him demands. I just woldn't take the Wings as a team that would only sign a player like Hossa for one season. When I said I'd rather see some younger players move up I really meant that for the most part. Helm, Ericcson, Leino, Abdelkader all look to me like they could come up next season and fill some holes. Five or six years ago I would lean more to older and more experinced players seeing as Detroit is a veteran club but as of the past 2 to 3 years I've gone more with youth because most of the league has done that and been somewhat successful. Franzy is a great player and I'd be happy to keep him it's just when I found out that Hossa was coming to Detroit this season I was ecstatic and even though I knew that he only held a one season contract with us I had hoped that he would play well enough to stay on this roster on a more permanent basis. I will always ALWAYS support the Detroit Red Wings no matter what. So I'll take whatever the Wings can put together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herr Hockey 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 If Holland can't re-sign Hossa, is there any chance we get something nice for his rights before July 1st? Seems to be the new cool thing to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Good for Franzen and the Wings if he re-signs at a reasonable contract -- hopefully with some sort of stipulation that concerns the future cap hit, if the Wings are smart. But the funny thing is if Hossa doesn't re-sign with the Wings without a doubt we're going to see a lot of butt-hurt, whiny ass topics from people who got all attached to a rental just like the Penguins fans we made fun of this last summer/fall. Ironic. Here's one fan that'll be whiny-assing - at least, inside. I love to watch Hossa play. Hossa and Datsyuk - they glide, they hit, they deke, they shoot like nobody else out there. For whatever reason Hossa especially reminds me of how the Russian Five used to take over the ice. And he does look really, really good in red. He must realize that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 I would take Hossa over Franzen probably but one is better than none if they only sign Franzen. Hossa just creates offense by himself. the plus side is if they only sign Franzen they have more money to work with to fill holes this summer. Hossa's the better player, but Franzen is plenty capable of creating offense on his own. There are times when Franzen is nearly unstoppable driving to the net. It's not as if he is only a beneficiary of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Here's one fan that'll be whiny-assing - at least, inside. I love to watch Hossa play. Hossa and Datsyuk - they glide, they hit, they deke, they shoot like nobody else out there. For whatever reason Hossa especially reminds me of how the Russian Five used to take over the ice. And he does look really, really good in red. He must realize that... Me too, and I hope the Wings sign him, so then I won't view him as a rental anymore. He's got so much to bring to the table that compliments true Wings like Datsyuk, Z, Franzen, and Homer, it would be unfortunate (yet not unexpected) for him to leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 122 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Well this sucks. No offense but I'd take Hossa over Franzen anyday. I agree.. Hossa is a better player, I've been so impressed with him and Franzen is Great too! But Id rather have Hossa... It could still happen, Trade Flip, Let Hudler walk, Add 2 years onto Lidstrom's contract for 4 mill each and drop the cap hit and maybe it could get done! I trust holland If he wants Hossa he could get him Could do a contract a little longer than Franzen's and do it like Zetts Maybe? Just a few thinks that would have to happen that i think may end up going on....who knows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigRedMachine 2 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 But the funny thing is if Hossa doesn't re-sign with the Wings without a doubt we're going to see a lot of butt-hurt, whiny ass topics from people who got all attached to a rental just like the Penguins fans we made fun of this last summer/fall. Ironic. You have the foresight of a wise Jedi Master. :starwars: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Maybe if we could make the right trade at maybe the draft we could free up some space to keep Franzen and Hossa and still be able to bring up someone in GR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) I agree.. Hossa is a better player, I've been so impressed with him and Franzen is Great too! But Id rather have Hossa... It could still happen, Trade Flip, Let Hudler walk, Add 2 years onto Lidstrom's contract for 4 mill each and drop the cap hit and maybe it could get done! I trust holland If he wants Hossa he could get him Could do a contract a little longer than Franzen's and do it like Zetts Maybe? Just a few thinks that would have to happen that i think may end up going on....who knows Ouch, Lids for 4m/season? Or did I read that wrong? When Stevie Y signed for less, he did do it for the team, but he also did it because he acknowledged his production level had been significantly decreased, and as much as the intangibles the great Captain had in the locker room, intangibles don't count on the scoreboard. In Lidstrom's case, he's easily still a league Top 5 defender/producer, despite his numerous mistakes this season. Having him take 4m/season would be an insult when he right now makes 7.45 and his market value would easily demand upwards of 9/10m a season, not to mention go against the team's recent deal with no players signing for more than him. The salary he makes now is more than a fair deal for what he brings for intangibles and especially produces point-wise. At this point people need to keep their expectations very, very low, and have only a realistic glimmer of hope that their "have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too" wishes come true. This team is still a cup contender even without Hossa. Edited April 2, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 That's great news! At least for me. I think Franzen fits much better to our system compared to Hossa. Sometimes Hossa looks lost out there... An I the only one to notice that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Good for Franzen and the Wings if he re-signs at a reasonable contract -- hopefully with some sort of stipulation that concerns the future cap hit, if the Wings are smart. But the funny thing is if Hossa doesn't re-sign with the Wings without a doubt we're going to see a lot of butt-hurt, whiny ass topics from people who got all attached to a rental just like the Penguins fans we made fun of this last summer/fall. Ironic. Is that all you do? Spend your idle time (which it seems you have plenty of) musing over future, future topics that may or may not actually exist. You're already calling irony over something that may never occur. And you strive to actually be taken seriously in your posts (judging by length, content and grammar). Not gonna happen, sorry. All we see is "blah, blah, blah... other posters are stupid". Do yourself a favor and stop derailing your own posts with, what seems to be, a bottomless pit of cynicism. Here's a bit of advice for you to discard immediately: Never be the smartest person in the room... you won't learn anything. I feel like keeping Hossa, at this point, would be an excercise in excess. Does this team really NEED another top flight, expensive forward? It's no secret that the balance between offense and defense on this team is a little lopsided. Letting Hossa walk in an attempt to bring balance back to the team seems like the right thing to do... but GODDAM that guy is the perfect NHL specimen. Edited April 2, 2009 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) I feel like keeping Hossa, at this point, would be an excercise in excess. Does this team really NEED another top flight, expensive winger? It's no secret that the balance between offense and defense on this team is a little lopsided. Letting Hossa walk in an attempt to bring balance back to the team seems like the right thing to do... but GODDAM that guy is the perfect NHL specimen. Ignoring all the whiny, blahblah crap which was most of your post, I agree with this here. I'm pretty content that Kenny thus far has at least appeared to be conservative about dealing with the unpredictable upcoming cap space. Maybe he'll address more cap space to improve the defense, but at this point I'm not sure what is causing the defense to lapse so badly this entire season. Lazy players? Lack of talent? Cup hangover? Bad coaching/fundamentals? Edited April 2, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 I agree.. Hossa is a better player, I've been so impressed with him and Franzen is Great too! But Id rather have Hossa... It could still happen, Trade Flip, Let Hudler walk, Add 2 years onto Lidstrom's contract for 4 mill each and drop the cap hit and maybe it could get done! I trust holland If he wants Hossa he could get him Could do a contract a little longer than Franzen's and do it like Zetts Maybe? Just a few thinks that would have to happen that i think may end up going on....who knows Lidstrom can't negotiate until next season (2009-2010), and that will be for a contract which starts in the 2010-2011 season. It won't help us get anyone this year or next. Once upon a yesteryear, before the PA got involved, the guys could renegotiate in the middle of the contract, but not any more. When Lids does sign a new contract (please, Dear Nick, don't retire yet), I'm sure it will be for a bit less. He will be on the down side of his career, such as a down side is for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Ignoring all the whiny, blahblah crap which was most of your post, I agree with this here. I'm pretty content that Kenny thus far has at least appeared to be conservative about dealing with the unpredictable upcoming cap space. Truth hurts... I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Truth hurts... I know. Full of yourself much, or nothing better to whine about today? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 Full of yourself much, or nothing better to whine about today? There is a big gap between whining and pointing out a fundamental flaw in your approach to posting in an effort to help you out. Not that I expected you to get over yourself for long enough to let it sink in. By all means, continue with the misguided and unwarranted cynicism. I'm sure it's healthy and fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLWINGSFAN4013 5 Report post Posted April 2, 2009 We need to trade (yes I know a few have NTC) a combo of Kronner/Stu/Cleary/Meech/Lebda/Draper/Sammy convince Ozzy/DMac/Maltby all to retire. Then we can sign Mule/Hossa/ and bring in Doug Weight for cheap . Bring up some youth Leino/Helm/Abby etc. Who's in goal then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
