Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 Link One NHL agent thinks the Detroit Red Wings might get free-agent winger Johan Franzen for a salary-cap hit of $3.7 million US a season, which would be a huge hometown discount. I think it will have to be at least $500,000 more than that a year. Franzen is a scoring machine. He had 28 goals in his final 32 games last season, including the playoffs, and has 33 this year in 66 games. That's 61 goals in 98 games. The Red Wings badly want to keep Franzen. They have major cap concerns next season, but not in 2010-11. "We have $13 million coming off the books then," said Wings general manager Ken Holland. That includes captain Nicklas Lidstrom's $7.45 million. The Wings would likely try to re-sign Lidstrom, one of the game's all-time greats at a reduced rate -- about $4 million a year. I still think Marian Hossa would take $6.5 million (between Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg's annual cap hit) in a new five-year deal. "It's not a race (to see who signs first)," said Ritch Winter, Hossa's agent. "Ken has said he would like to sign both Franzen and Marian. So far, Ken hasn't told us what their price is." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 I have a man crush on Holland. If he gets Franzen at 3.7, Hossa at 6.5, and Lids at 4... I may go *** and start stalking him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 It looks like the cost is another thread committed to this. See the other 12 and post in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 It looks like the cost is another thread committed to this. See the other 12 and post in there. There's 12 other threads with the article from Edmonton, or are you just being a dick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 There's 12 other threads with the article from Edmonton, or are you just being a dick? Some people take it upon themselves to be thread police. I am looking forward to both Hossa and Franzen signing. I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 I have a man crush on Holland. If he gets Franzen at 3.7, Hossa at 6.5, and Lids at 4... I may go *** and start stalking him. Haha. With a shrine that includes a cardboard cutout and the Mobil gas pump in which he handled the day he made that phone call to Hossa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 I am looking forward to both Hossa and Franzen signing. I believe. Of course they are going to sign, the question is what team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zata fan 40 6 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 I have a man crush on Holland. If he gets Franzen at 3.7, Hossa at 6.5, and Lids at 4... I may go *** and start stalking him. LOL!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenway9 1 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 I have a man crush on Holland. If he gets Franzen at 3.7, Hossa at 6.5, and Lids at 4... I may go *** and start stalking him. That's funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about Hossa! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) Where does this "Lids at 4" keep coming from? Why the hell would Lids drop his salary, nearly half, to 4 million per? He's still this team's top defender, the captain, AND most productive players on the scoreboard. He wouldn't even be paid an even remotely fair share for his contributions. If he decides to take this on his own then good for him, but he has all the right in the world to demand the salary he's getting now, since he earns it. This team cannot keep Mule and Hossa both without losing a major core of role players. It isn't worth it to me. Keep one or the other, unless it's Hossa that wants to take 4 million per. In this case, things are pointing to Franzen. Edited April 5, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 awesome! I was hoping it would be a little closer to $3M cap hit, maybe when its said and done, it will. Say goodbye to Hudler, Filppula and Sammy for sure. But I still think its worth it. Helm and Leino need to be in Detroit next season! This current team just may win the Cup this year, but next season willbe awesome! We'll have probably no less than 4 Griffins up here permanently ALL hungry to prove something! Gonna be a whole new attitude next season! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 Where does this "Lids at 4" keep coming from? Why the hell would Lids drop his salary, nearly half, to 4 million per? He's still this team's top defender, the captain, AND most productive players on the scoreboard. He wouldn't even be paid an even remotely fair share for his contributions. If he decides to take this on his own then good for him, but he has all the right in the world to demand the salary he's getting now, since he earns it. This team cannot keep Mule and Hossa both without losing a major core of role players. It isn't worth it to me. Keep one or the other, unless it's Hossa that wants to take 4 million per. In this case, things are pointing to Franzen. Read the article bub. It is not just US saying lids for $4M and sign both Hossa and Franzen. If there are agens talking about it, then odds are there are rumblings going around the "agent pool." Lidstrom is the ultimate team player, sure he could demand his current salary, but he could also demand top league pay somewhere else. Lids knows his play has declined, he knows he will need the supporting cast to win again (if he re-signs) and he will take a paycut. It may not be as deep as $4M, but he probably won't make more than $6M. And, yes, losing Filpulla, Hudler and Sammy is WELL worth keeping Hossa and Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) Just get rid of Cleary and Flipulla. I'd rather have Sammy or Hudler over either, they make a third the money and score a lot more points. And, yes, losing Filpulla, Hudler and Sammy is WELL worth keeping Hossa and Franzen. Is it really? Hossa only has 13 more points then Hudler, Sammy could be signed for under 2 million, and Flipulla is at least improving. I really don't see why people think Hossa is worth losing 3 other guys. And how is Hossa worth all 3 of their salaries combined? Hossa is a 5 million a season player, at best. No more. He's overpaid as is. Helm won't be scoring 40 points a season for half a decade. Wings should keep Hudler, and Sammy for sure. The Wings forward prospects are very weak, it would be much smarter using one of the four NHL ready D-men wasting their careers in Grand Rapids. Edited April 5, 2009 by TheOwl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted April 5, 2009 Wow if Lidstrom signs for 4M/year, then he is truly a god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) Read the article bub. It is not just US saying lids for $4M and sign both Hossa and Franzen. If there are agens talking about it, then odds are there are rumblings going around the "agent pool." Lidstrom is the ultimate team player, sure he could demand his current salary, but he could also demand top league pay somewhere else. Lids knows his play has declined, he knows he will need the supporting cast to win again (if he re-signs) and he will take a paycut. It may not be as deep as $4M, but he probably won't make more than $6M. And, yes, losing Filpulla, Hudler and Sammy is WELL worth keeping Hossa and Franzen. Sorry for being skeptical of what a media opinion article thinks. This team simply couldn't "lose" Flip. Reality check. And while Lidstrom's play would certainly not be Norris-like this season, he's still amongst the league's top defensemen productively, and sadly in negotiating contracts those stats (points, +/-) matter significantly. He can command easily league maximum with any team, even now, but the 7-8 mil he's been getting is already, and has been, a discount, which the Edmonton Journal overlooks. Then, let's consider, what money would be left over for a goalie when signing these players. It just doesn't sound realistic at all to keep both. It sounds even less realistic that Lidstrom cut his already discounted salary down almost half. People are just going to have to come to grips with this team cannot have it's cake and eat it too. That's life under the cap, and it's that way for a good reason. Edited April 5, 2009 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 I would not be suprised to see Lidstrom take 4M for his next contract. The guy is as humble as can be. He has made enough money to support his family for many generations. At this point in his career i bet he puts the team first and his pay second just to keep winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) Sorry for being skeptical of what a media opinion article thinks. This team simply couldn't "lose" Flip. Reality check. no, really? Of course they'd have to trade him, but I was generalizing when I said lose those players. In my opinion they wouldn't "lose" at all by losing those players, they would gain. Franzen, Hossa, Helm, Leino are better than Franzen, Hudler, Filppula, Sammy. Sorry. Everyone has an opinion and sometime they stink, but this is mine. You have yours. Maybe both of ours stink. Edited April 5, 2009 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elriqo28 2 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 Some people take it upon themselves to be thread police. I am looking forward to both Hossa and Franzen signing. I believe. thread police...isn't that a Cheap Trick song? oh wait that's dream police. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzermania 156 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 thread police...isn't that a Cheap Trick song? oh wait that's dream police. cheap trick is one of the greatest bands ever. I've seen them 18 times now and I'm only 22. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 One thing to bear in mind is the number of 30 goal scorers there will be this season - currently an astonishing 36 players have passed that mark, with a dozen or more in touching distance. Now five years ago, 30 goals put you in contention for the Rocket Richard, not any more... Now, I don't have a complete list of 30-goal free agents - Franzen, Cammalleri, D Sedin spring to mind - but so many players scoring that many goals can only drive the value of Franzen down, no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted April 5, 2009 Holland really shouldn't sign either until the end of the play-offs, seeing that if Ozzy fails (which is very likely based on his entire season) they'll need to buy him out and sign an actual #1 goaltender. Defense can't save this team. An average goalie is what this team needs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted April 10, 2009 With this bit of info from the freep. As for contract negotiations, Holland said he still hopes to sign either Hossa or Johan Franzen before the playoffs begin. Holland has said he is closer to getting a deal done with Franzen. Holland said he won't negotiate after Monday, when the team begins preparing for their first-round playoff opponent. Do you expect Franzen will sign before Monday? I'm pretty sure they will get it done. I believe Franzen really wants to be a Wing next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted April 10, 2009 Holland really shouldn't sign either until the end of the play-offs, seeing that if Ozzy fails (which is very likely based on his entire season) they'll need to buy him out and sign an actual #1 goaltender. Defense can't save this team. An average goalie is what this team needs. I see your words and all I hear is "blahblahblahOzziesucksblahblahblahDOOMblahblahblah". Give it a freaking rest, already. 10th in all-time wins. 2 Jennings Trophies. #1 for Red Wing playoff wins. #2 for Red Wing regular season wins. GAA sub-2.5 for his career. Oh yeah, almost forgot... 3 Stanley Cups. 2 as a starter. Give it a rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladdy16 2,154 Report post Posted April 10, 2009 I see your words and all I hear is "blahblahblahOzziesucksblahblahblahDOOMblahblahblah". Give it a freaking rest, already. Give it a rest. You too. This is not a goalie discussion. Keep it on topic, please. And for the record, I'll take Franzen over Hossa. Nothin' but love for Hossa, but I'll keep Franzenstein first. Can't wait to see how this all plays out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsMyWings13 4 Report post Posted April 10, 2009 You too. This is not a goalie discussion. Keep it on topic, please. And for the record, I'll take Franzen over Hossa. Nothin' but love for Hossa, but I'll keep Franzenstein first. Can't wait to see how this all plays out. Do you see the deal getting done before the playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
