DanZ 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 If Hudler was offered a contract that the Wings could not afford, Huds is forced to take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Star light, star bright. First star I see tonight... I wish we get Hossa too. Wonder what this means for Huds, Sammy, and Koko. Hudler goes to the Kings, We get his RFA Compensation Sammy chases a 2m+ deal Kopecky gets a new contract, role increases as a redwing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Take Hudler over Hossa. With the cap space saved, use it for a half decent goalie. I'm serious. We cannot keep going with the present goalie situation. We've won the Cup without Hossa but we're not going to win another one with present goalie situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Take Hudler over Hossa. With the cap space saved, use it for a half decent goalie. I'm serious. We cannot keep going with the present goalie situation. We've won the Cup without Hossa but we're not going to win another one with present goalie situation. i just think some of the offers hudler will get will price him out of what he's worth to us. he's too one-dimensional to be of use on our top lines and too small and slow and defensively disabled to be a grinder-type player. so basically we'll be paying 2.5-3.5 (my guess, could be way off) million for a pp specialist. hossa's a difficult situation because he wont be cheap, but losing hudler to keep him isn't a concern of mine. Edited April 13, 2009 by datsyukismyfriend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Take Hudler over Hossa. With the cap space saved, use it for a half decent goalie. I'm serious. We cannot keep going with the present goalie situation. We've won the Cup without Hossa but we're not going to win another one with present goalie situation. Ok, so which goalie do you suggest we sign or trade for? Keep in mind that in order to sign Hossa, the Wings already will have to cut loose players from the current roster just to remove the cap cost. What goalie are you suggesting the Wings get who will perform better than Osgood in the playoffs, and do you really think all the changes to the roster you would have to make to get that goaltender would allow the team in front of him to be as good? For example...you could change the Wings and trade for Roberto Luongo or another 'elite' goalie...but the kind of gutting you would have to do to the Wings to open up cap space for his contract would do at least as much damage to the team as the difference between that goalie's playoff performance and Osgood's. Isn't it better to have a cheap, reliable veteran in net who will show up and play as needed in the postseason without the salary of a superstar, allowing more money to be spent to have skill and depth on defense and offense? Last season says yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blaayze 25 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Jeezuz Kenny, what kind of shinnanigans have you gotten us all into now?! lol *chants* Don't be fooled like Pittsburgh, Don't be fooled like Pittsburgh, Don't be fooled like Pittsburgh. I still don't want to get my hopes up. It's .. so .. hard .. not .. to ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 Legged RedWing 367 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 I would love to see Hossa here long term. I would give up Sammy, Flip, and Huds to keep Hossa and Franzen here. Franzen obviously already staying here but just saying that was somewhat the option before the deals were made. Hossa is too good to give up and we have plenty of young players to fill the spots of those other three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 i just think some of the offers hudler will get will price him out of what he's worth to us. he's too one-dimensional to be of use on our top lines and too small and slow and defensively disabled to be a grinder-type player. so basically we'll be paying 2.5-3.5 (my guess, could be way off) million for a pp specialist. hossa's a difficult situation because he wont be cheap, but losing hudler to keep him isn't a concern of mine. Hudler isn't a Selke candidate, but he's actually developed into a pretty strong defensive player. He's also developed into a pretty quick skater as well. The thing about Hudler some people haven't noticed because they pay attention to what was the negatives a couple years ago and not what the negatives are NOW is that Hudler has actually worked very hard on improving his deficiencies. Try watching a few games. Oh, and Hudler basically gets grinder-type ice now and scores better at even strength than a lot of first liners. Give him real linemates (such as the Franzen/Hudler/Hossa line I've been suggesting for months) and he could put up crazy numbers. Datsyuk is the only better playmaker on the team among forwards, and Hudler's a pretty good shooter too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Holland was on with Ken and Mickey during the first Chicago game, and they were talking about the youngsters, and he said Howard was out of time with the farm club and they would have to bring him up. So I picture Conks gone while Osgood (who is still under a cheap contract) and Howard are between the pipes. Drop McCarty off the payroll and Cheli, and there is a few mill to be had. I still think someone will get traded, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Hudler isn't a Selke candidate, but he's actually developed into a pretty strong defensive player. He's also developed into a pretty quick skater as well. The thing about Hudler some people haven't noticed because they pay attention to what was the negatives a couple years ago and not what the negatives are NOW is that Hudler has actually worked very hard on improving his deficiencies. Try watching a few games. Oh, and Hudler basically gets grinder-type ice now and scores better at even strength than a lot of first liners. Give him real linemates (such as the Franzen/Hudler/Hossa line I've been suggesting for months) and he could put up crazy numbers. Datsyuk is the only better playmaker on the team among forwards, and Hudler's a pretty good shooter too. Eva, Hudler has been given the opportunity to play with "real linemates" multiple times and each time it hasn't worked. I don't care what all your numbers tell you; he's never going to be an elite forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Hudler isn't a Selke candidate, but he's actually developed into a pretty strong defensive player. He's also developed into a pretty quick skater as well. The thing about Hudler some people haven't noticed because they pay attention to what was the negatives a couple years ago and not what the negatives are NOW is that Hudler has actually worked very hard on improving his deficiencies. Try watching a few games. Oh, and Hudler basically gets grinder-type ice now and scores better at even strength than a lot of first liners. Give him real linemates (such as the Franzen/Hudler/Hossa line I've been suggesting for months) and he could put up crazy numbers. Datsyuk is the only better playmaker on the team among forwards, and Hudler's a pretty good shooter too. He's #9 on the Wings in terms of ES scoring. And I wouldn't even class him as a relatively strong defensive player. He isn't a liability, but is isn't much better than that. I remember at least one stupid play where he could have made a short pass inside the Wing's zone but instead tried to pass it up the middle and turns it over and whoever it was we were playing had a great chance and nearly scored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drwscc 212 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Wow, that one time you saw that one thing, man, that blows all the statistical evidence that he's getting better out of the water. Go you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted April 13, 2009 This is great. But im not gonna cheer until I see it on paper. Sounds good to me, I won't get excited until he signs though. ^-- These. I'm reserving my thoughts until I see him signed, wherever it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Dakota wings fan 7 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 This cap math magic is brilliant. 20 year deal, with the last 10 at 1 million per year. I don't think that would be legal, but he would be signing the deal before the age of 35, which helps after retirement. This loophole is so gonna be gone after the next CBA! (I got good grammar) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrossCheck24 2 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 *chants* Don't be fooled like Pittsburgh, Don't be fooled like Pittsburgh, Don't be fooled like Pittsburgh. YES- Its fun to play what if, but Hossa in an Oilers Jersey isn't too far out of the picture, especially if the wings win the cup this year. that being said, I want him on the wings for a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Dakota wings fan 7 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 As much as I'd love to keep Hudler for that money, he'll get an offer sheet of 4-5 million or more, and would be nuts to turn it down. I don't think he will be offered that much on an offer sheet for a couple of reasons. 1. I don't think he is worth more than around 3 million, just my opinion. 2. I am not exactly sure on the structure of the draft pick compensation for $ on an offer sheet, but I have to believe teams will utilize the ranges to their advantage to put his number just out of the reach for the wings and their cap issues, trying to give up as little as possible in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 He's #9 on the Wings in terms of ES scoring. And I wouldn't even class him as a relatively strong defensive player. He isn't a liability, but is isn't much better than that. I remember at least one stupid play where he could have made a short pass inside the Wing's zone but instead tried to pass it up the middle and turns it over and whoever it was we were playing had a great chance and nearly scored. That one time a couple years back Lidstrom turned it over right in front of the net while Legace was on his side, man that proves he's no good defensively! Try paying attention to more than just one or two plays. Hudler is above-average defensively. No, not compared to guys like Z, Dats, Flip, Cleary, and Draper. But compared to other guys at his age and with his offensive skill, he's very good defensively. Compared to other guys with his offensive skill REGARDLESS of age, he's still pretty good defensively. I remember at least one stupid play for every player on the roster. Does that mean they all suck? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Ok, so which goalie do you suggest we sign or trade for? Keep in mind that in order to sign Hossa, the Wings already will have to cut loose players from the current roster just to remove the cap cost. What goalie are you suggesting the Wings get who will perform better than Osgood in the playoffs, and do you really think all the changes to the roster you would have to make to get that goaltender would allow the team in front of him to be as good? For example...you could change the Wings and trade for Roberto Luongo or another 'elite' goalie...but the kind of gutting you would have to do to the Wings to open up cap space for his contract would do at least as much damage to the team as the difference between that goalie's playoff performance and Osgood's. Isn't it better to have a cheap, reliable veteran in net who will show up and play as needed in the postseason without the salary of a superstar, allowing more money to be spent to have skill and depth on defense and offense? Last season says yes. Hudler - hometown discount 2-2.5 mill, he can only improve and get better. Check the 07-08 stats. Without Hossa, you'll notice that generally everyone had higher pts production in regular season. Don't get me wrong, I love Hossa but there are only so many slices in the pie. If you spend it on Hossa, like others say, you'll have to get rid of others and you won't have ANY options on goalie. I'm not comfortable with Ozzie and Howard. I think it gave everyone high blood pressure, including Babcock. Consistently losing games with 3-1 leads is not a Wings trademark. As for what goalie is available - I'm not sure who is available but what about Clemmenson, Khabibulin (has he resigned? he may be too $$), Fernandez, Nittymaki, Biron, Brian Boucher. Someone in the 3 mill range. We don't need elite but we can't be scraping the bottom of the barrel either. We've got enough good forwards, must improve the goalie situation! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Hudler - hometown discount 2-2.5 mill, he can only improve and get better. Check the 07-08 stats. Without Hossa, you'll notice that generally everyone had higher pts production in regular season. Don't get me wrong, I love Hossa but there are only so many slices in the pie. If you spend it on Hossa, like others say, you'll have to get rid of others and you won't have ANY options on goalie. I'm not comfortable with Ozzie and Howard. I think it gave everyone high blood pressure, including Babcock. Consistently losing games with 3-1 leads is not a Wings trademark. As for what goalie is available - I'm not sure who is available but what about Clemmenson, Khabibulin (has he resigned? he may be too $), Fernandez, Nittymaki, Biron, Brian Boucher. Someone in the 3 mill range. We don't need elite but we can't be scraping the bottom of the barrel either. We've got enough good forwards, must improve the goalie situation! You think ANY of the goalies you suggested will outperform Osgood in the postseason? Khabibulin is the only possibility, and he is coming off a $7m contract...so the $3m range is a bit unlikely. The others are either proven chokers, career backups whose only "strong seasons" were behind great defenses, goalies coming off $3.5m+ contracts, and goalies-of-the-future who expect to resign in their current location. Give me an example of how any of them is an upgrade over Osgood and would cost the Wings about $3m. Seriously. Oh, and the blowing leads thing? That was the defense. Unless you think Osgood was telling the defense how to play when Conklin was in net, because it happened then too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DraperFan MN 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Man locking up Zetts, Dats, Mule, Flip, Huds, and Hossa long term would be almost unfair. That pretty much gives us the best top 2 lines in hockey for awhile. There, fixed that for ya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DraperFan MN 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 I just think Huds' numbers speak for themselves: Season GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S% 2008-2009 82 23 34 57 7 16 6 0 2 155 14.8 Then look at Flips numbers: Season GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S% 2008-2009 80 12 28 40 9 42 1 0 1 129 9.3 Considering where Huds get his minutes, I think it is hard to let him go....although it will probably happen, and he likely won't have the same success elsewhere that he does here. Shame really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetterberg2008ConnSmythe 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Star light, star bright. First star I see tonight... I wish we get Hossa too. Wonder what this means for Huds, Sammy, and Koko. Keep Hudler...bye bye to the other 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,140 Report post Posted April 13, 2009 Boy all this excitment over this announcement. How come wen I mentioned that trading Filpulla, letting Hudler and Sammy go,along with possibly trading Lebda all for draft picks, you all laughed at me, called me names (ok maybe not that) but pretty much said I was crazy for letting Hudler go, and trading Filppula. Ahem! NOW that is what more than likely is gonna happen and everyone here agrees with it! Hmmmmmmm..... With the way Detroit drafts players, we can EASILY replace Hudler and Filppula in the coming years. Sammy is solid, but VERY replaceable as is Lebda & Chelios. Let me say this again: Trade Filppula for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Let Hudler test the market, more than likely getting somewhere between 3.5 and 4 million, netting us a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick Trade Lebda for a 3rd or 4th round pick. Sammy, Chelios, McCarty (:puke:) all walk, thanks for the memories guys! Conklin either resigns at the same pay and we trade or waive Howard OR Conklin walks and we bring up Howard. So, we lose above players, but GAIN a 1st, TWO 2nds, TWO 3rds (maybe 3) and a 4th round pick to go WITH our own picks. We get Ericsson, Helm, Abdelkader, Howard and Leino. PLUS we get to keep the TWO highest goal scorers on our team in Franzen and Hossa FOREVER! ANd also, not by choice, but if Lilja is done, then his salary will come off and we'll probably see Kindl or someone else up here too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted April 13, 2009 It would be nice seeing: 7.50 - 7.50 - 7.45 - 7.45 - 7.00 - 7.00 - 6.70 - 6.70 - 3.50 - 1.00 - 1.00 5.71 cap hit! You can only dream (If you guys play with the numbers yourself, signing Hossa seems like it is possible! Especially using the loophole in the CBA that Kenny already exploited for Zetterberg and Franzen) Not happening. Cant go from 3.5 to 1 m Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted April 14, 2009 Sounds great. But I thought Fedorov was going to retire a Wing, bought him and his agent's stories that he wanted to stay in Detroit - then bam - he's a Duck. So while it sounds good - the numbers don't make sense - so we'll wait and see... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
