clayjoh 3 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 They said at the conclusion of the CBC broadcast last nite he played something like 27 minutes IMHO that's way too high for a forward He's gonna wear down real fast at this rate Also Pronger the turd and Neidermayer(S) log huge minutes THey're gonna hit those points in games where the mind says yes but the legs say no pretty soon Did you notice Babcock would put our fourth line out against the end of a Getzlaf shift last night also Their fourth line wasn't seen after the second period was it? Their reliance on too few players will be decisive as this series progresses You heard it here first.... COmments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 It was more like 28 minutes for Getzlaf. The Wings have 4 shutdown lines while the Ducks do not. No team in the playoffs can match the depth of the Red Wings. Once Draper is healthy, we can dump Kopecky and our 4th line becomes exponentially better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ehorn3 2 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 I don't think the ducks have much of an option. they will get exposed putting their 4th line out there. They simply do not have the talent to keep up in this series. The only hope they have is get as many points out of getz, perry, ryan, and temu as possible. I'm not surprised at the amount of minutes Getz logged at all, but at some point having played all season long and play the majority of the time in the San Jose series you have to think he will start to run out of gas. unless he has a great conditioning coach I don't see him keep his legs all series. I really think with the depth that the Wings have we will control the 3rd periods of this series. I think the opening 10 minutes of each of these games will be very important. We have to come out quicker than last game, if it wasn't for the stupid hit by Brown I think we see a whole different game. I hope the ducks keep the single file line going to the box and keeps the pk on their toes all game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 I agree, I think that Malts & co. got around 7:00 minutes of ice time last night, and they banged bodies and Helm even had a decent chance on net. Helm was also used with Datsyuk and Hossa when we had a faceoff in our own zone. My one concern, however, is defensive depth. Chelios only played 6:00 minutes last night... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 The Ducks don't have too many other options. The Wings roll four solid lines that all know how to score, especially now that Filppulla is possessed and Franzen has turned into Supermule. The only line they have that can contain any of the Wings' top 9 Forwards is the Getzlaf Perry Ryan line, and Pronger and Niedermayer on defense, so they'll be on the ice for half the game. As Getzlaf Perry and Ryan are all young I don't think that playing 30 minutes a night is going to affect them too much, but if any games go into overtime, fatigue is really going to hurt them. Wings in 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 Getzlaf's TOI was 27:55, which was more than either Pronger (26:43) or Niedermayer (26:22). It indicates that he doesn't know how to play in a "system". Come to think of it, Anaheim doesn't have a real system; case in point is Parros, who gave them an outstanding 4:10 TOI in Game One. Maybe the stories about players not listening to Coach (?) Carlyle are true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 Getzlaf played so much because he was making up for some of the minutes Brown would have logged had he not been kicked out of the game. He won't play that many next game. Unless another Duck forward is kicked out of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 Getzlaf's TOI was 27:55, which was more than either Pronger (26:43) or Niedermayer (26:22). It indicates that he doesn't know how to play in a "system". Come to think of it, Anaheim doesn't have a real system; case in point is Parros, who gave them an outstanding 4:10 TOI in Game One. Maybe the stories about players not listening to Coach (?) Carlyle are true. I have heard a lot of stories of the Ducks players not liking Carlyle. I don't know if any of it is true, but the way the guy complains about everything I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 Getzlaf played so much because he was making up for some of the minutes Brown would have logged had he not been kicked out of the game. He won't play that many next game. Unless another Duck forward is kicked out of the game. Or if the Ducks are behind and need some offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teckaholic 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 Their fourth line wasn't seen after the second period was it? Brown was out and he is a big part of the 4th line. Until this year, the Ducks really dont use their forth line in the playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 They said at the conclusion of the CBC broadcast last nite he played something like 27 minutes IMHO that's way too high for a forward He's gonna wear down real fast at this rate Also Pronger the turd and Neidermayer(S) log huge minutes THey're gonna hit those points in games where the mind says yes but the legs say no pretty soon Did you notice Babcock would put our fourth line out against the end of a Getzlaf shift last night also Their fourth line wasn't seen after the second period was it? Their reliance on too few players will be decisive as this series progresses You heard it here first.... COmments You're a little late to the party. This was discussed when Getzlaf was averaging 24 minutes against the Sharks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Getzlaf played so much because he was making up for some of the minutes Brown would have logged had he not been kicked out of the game. He won't play that many next game. Unless another Duck forward is kicked out of the game. Yeupp. His minutes will go down because Brown will be back in. I guess Getzlaf filled in for him on the power play. Which hopefully, helped wear him down at least for that game. I still say...Ripple Effect will wear them down. KEEP UP THE PACE, WINGIES!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bobbyryan Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Getz doesn't move his feet a whole lot. 28 minutes of slow-motion puck cycling ain't gonna wear him down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Getz doesn't move his feet a whole lot. 28 minutes of slow-motion puck cycling ain't gonna wear him down. He was moving pretty fast on Perrys goal. You must not watch Getzlaf much, he cycles a bit, but it sure isnt alot that he goes slow. You mention slow motion alot, I'd like them to try a bit more, we'll burry a bunch of slow Ducks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teckaholic 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Yeupp. His minutes will go down because Brown will be back in. I guess Getzlaf filled in for him on the power play. Which hopefully, helped wear him down at least for that game. Do you mean the PK? Getzlaf is their top center on the PP. Getzlaf has been playing on the PK as well. You might hate the guy but he does EVERYTHING for this team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingedKitten 9 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Do you mean the PK? Getzlaf is their top center on the PP. Getzlaf has been playing on the PK as well. You might hate the guy but he does EVERYTHING for this team That's not exactly a new concept for us. Getzlaf won't average 28 minutes a game in this series... if he does, forget overtime, he will be dead by the middle of the third period. (Not 'dead', but much less useful) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Getzlaf played so much because he was making up for some of the minutes Brown would have logged had he not been kicked out of the game. He won't play that many next game. Unless another Duck forward is kicked out of the game. So....he will? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Do you mean the PK? Getzlaf is their top center on the PP. Getzlaf has been playing on the PK as well. You might hate the guy but he does EVERYTHING for this team Getzlaf is one of the few Ducks that I don't mind. The guy is a legitimate strong talent and although he plays rough-and-tumble hockey like the rest of the Ducks, he's infinitely more respectable than Katy Perry over on his wing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
numberthirtynine 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 He was obviously making up minutes for the butt dumpling who hit Hudler. But in that we have to think about something-could no one else make up those minutes? The Ducks are so thin on forward lines they have to play their star 28 min, in a game that was tied most of the time. We just need to keep playing all of our guys. If this thing goes to six, I don't care how conditioned these kids are, they'll wear out. Carlyle's coaching doesn't scare me, he's nothing but an cowardly idiot who isnt fit to lace Babcock's sneakers. This team will need to rely on the top line and Selanne against 4 lines. In other words, they'll need a ton of help from the zebras. But then again, how does that differ from 2007? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpitts 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Do you mean the PK? Getzlaf is their top center on the PP. Getzlaf has been playing on the PK as well. You might hate the guy but he does EVERYTHING for this team Of course he does everything.. He's out there every other shift apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsallwin 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 I was impressed by the amount of power and skill Getzlaf has. For sure, the Ducks do not have any offensive option except for Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, and Selanne but these four guys are shifting very well. In game 1, as commentators said something, Getzlaf was always on the ice, both PP and PK unit. No doubt he is a really good player. However, if Datsyuk and Hossa can roll their skates back since game 1 and shut down Getzlaf line, the Wings 2nd and 3rd line will produce many offensive chances. If I see the Ducks, their first line is looking good but when other 2,3,4 lines are on the ice, they make tons of mistake except for Selanne who sometimes shift as well as the first line combo. As we shutdown Rick Nash in the first round, we have to shutdown Getzlaf as well as we did on Rick Nash in game 1,2, and 3; not like game 4.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 The good thing is that if Getzlaf plays 28 minutes and our fourth line plays 7, then that's 21 minutes Getzlaf is playing against Pavel, Hank or Flip. Not exactly a great offensive upside there. Besides, our fourth line isn't exactly a shutdown line but it's certainly defensively responsible. There simply isn't really a defensive weakness in any of our forward lines so Getzlaf needs to play 25+ minutes in order to produce like Anaheim will need him to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 I agree, I think that Malts & co. got around 7:00 minutes of ice time last night, and they banged bodies and Helm even had a decent chance on net. Helm was also used with Datsyuk and Hossa when we had a faceoff in our own zone. My one concern, however, is defensive depth. Chelios only played 6:00 minutes last night... Maltby and Helm were great for us last night. Maltby has completely turned his season around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Do you mean the PK? Getzlaf is their top center on the PP. Getzlaf has been playing on the PK as well. You might hate the guy but he does EVERYTHING for this team Yeah, sorry - that's what I meant - the PK. I don't hate him and you might have waited on the accusations to get an answer to your question? I just want to see him/them lose the series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 The good thing is that if Getzlaf plays 28 minutes and our fourth line plays 7, then that's 21 minutes Getzlaf is playing against Pavel, Hank or Flip. Not exactly a great offensive upside there. Besides, our fourth line isn't exactly a shutdown line but it's certainly defensively responsible. There simply isn't really a defensive weakness in any of our forward lines so Getzlaf needs to play 25+ minutes in order to produce like Anaheim will need him to. I don't think our 4th line saw or will see much time against the Ducks' 1st line at all - that's not a desirable match-up. Don't get me wrong, I think they're more or less sound defensively, but not at the same level as our top 2 (and maybe even top 3) lines. I'm pretty sure they were used against the Ducks' 3rd and 4th lines mostly. Maltby and Helm were great for us last night. Maltby has completely turned his season around. He sure has stepped up his game - but is anyone really that surprised? It's the playoffs; it's what he lives for. Also, if Draper is on the verge of coming back, Maltby sure as hell won't want to spend this time of the year sitting in the press box, and his play will reflect that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites