Hi James Wisniewski...

[BlueMonk 102]

Wow.

At least Anaheim fans are just clueless and have no idea their team is dirty. You don't mind players getting hurt. That sucks.

This is ice hockey, questionable hits are the calling card of physical teams. The Ducks are a good example. I'm not cheering for bad injuries, but if they're going to play on the edge, then the least my team can do is return the favor.

[LeftWinger 5,131]

My favorite Pronger video is the one where his Anaheim teammate Selanne boards him in the Olympics. You guys should check it, it's rad.

Boy, that Selanne is SOOOOOOO gutless, whatta ya say Wizzer?

[Guest Shoreline]

Loving the show, guys. Wizzie is a ******* hypocrite. Nice hit by Selanne on Pronger.

[BlakChamber 8]

If the situations were reversed this board would be screaming bloody murder, and everyone here knows it.

But I agree with BlueMonk. If the Ducks want to play rough, that's fine. The Wings just need to give it right back to them.

[Hossa7.4 0]

Boy, that Selanne is SOOOOOOO gutless, whatta ya say Wizzer?

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he left his feet a spit second before the hit, what a dirty player , he's dirty, just like Kronwall.

[dawings1905 2]

i agree, but i think that's the point. the big deal about that elbow is that wisniewsi was already hurt, and it's being made into something it's not for motivational purposes.

it was an elbow. in playoff hockey. think i saw one of them before.

You make a good point. I am not gonna have the intended to or not argument because it is pointless. However, I think there is probably more to Wiz's comments than just motivation. Think back to Carlyles statements before game one about Homer always running the goalie. That was an attempt to get the refs attention, as was this comment by Wiz. Think about it....the Ducks are thinking that the wings are probably gonna get some calls because they were screwed on the no goal call. What better way to try and even things out in the refs minds, then to point out that they also missed a call on Homer? With that said, none of this would have happend had Wiz not crosschecked homer right before getting hit by the puck. It caused his injury, it caused homer to....(more than likely retaliate with an elbow). No homer didn't intend to elbow an injured guy, but let's be real here. The elbow was probably a little payback for the crosscheck. Although I don't think he was trying to catch him with an elbow to the face, Wiz being leaned over caused that.

[Vladifan 680]

I don't think either team looks like a bad guy in this situation. However, some of the fans are a different story.

Wizniewski didn't help matters by calling Homer's elbow dirty and gutless. It's only made things worse. Look at what's happening on this thread. We wouldn't be arguing this again probably except for Wizniewski's statement. Whether he was justified or not, that's where we are right now.

[ducks4cup 0]

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he left his feet a spit second before the hit, what a dirty player , he's dirty, just like Kronwall.

Kronwall lifted his elbow up & broke Carter's nose. A little different. Leaving your feet is questionable. Bringing your elbow up to someones head is straight dirty. Kronwall pulled a Pronger plain and simple.

[Vladifan 680]

Well, not discrediting an injured player, nor making fun. But I am pretty sure Holmstrom didn't know he was already hurt, even it is was on purpose, which it could've been, BUT to call Holmstrom gutless because of it, then what do you call 90% of the Anaheim Ducks when they crosscheck, slash, punch, face wash, etc... AFTER EVERY ******* WHISTLE!?!?!?!?! I am so sick of players throwing rocks in glass houses! Oh, Holmstrom is so gutless for elbowing me! Oh Boo Hoo! Dude, sorry you got hurt with the puck, but even if you didn't you'd still be calling Homer gutless, so YOU man up. If Holmstrom is gutless, then you are spineless, yellow, and a c**ksucker, so is your entire goonery squad. Oh I am big bad Chris PRonger, I wo't drop the gloves with anybody over 6'2"! I would love to let Ericsson loose on Pronger or if Downey ever got in. Pronger would ***** away along with the rest of the team. If Datsyuk is there, oh sure he'll drop the gloves! Same goes with every other player on the cucks team. Talk about gutless! You see Corey Fairy don't f*** around with Ericsson anymore. Get well soon Wisneiwski, so we can see just how full of guts you are.

Bottom line? I believe most of us can agree that Homer's elbow was unintentional, at least as far as deliberately trying to hurt Wisniewski. I doubt if he knew he was the guy behind him and it could have been he was flailing out of frustration. At least we can give Homer the benefit of the doubt. But when you think of the hundreds of INTENTIONAL elbows, cheapshots and after-the-whistle-bulls*** the Ducks hand out without it being even being discussed ANYwhere including the NHL, it makes this discussion ludicrous and so far off target as to be idiotic.

Edited May 7, 2009 by Vladifan

[Hossa7.4 0]

Kronwall lifted his elbow up & broke Carter's nose. A little different. Leaving your feet is questionable. Bringing your elbow up to someones head is straight dirty. Kronwall pulled a Pronger plain and simple.

of all the hits Kronwall has made how many times has he broke someone's nose.

go home troll.

[Vladifan 680]

you know, I really hope this is just Wisnewski trying to play mental games as well. If not, hockey players sure have become a bunch of babies lately.

it's not bad enough we've got last years Finals opposing coach whining constantly to the media about obstruction when coaches have an orderly and legal way to bring concerns about the officiating to an NHL rep but we've had opposing coaches start the whining before the series even starts.

the idiocy of the heavily-penalised ducks players calling the Red Wings dirty is dare I say "Rovian".

Lately I feel like I'm not watching and listening to a hockey series but rather cable news with "pundits" firing verbal jabs for political gain.

Can't the players just play, the coaches just coach?

in other leagues if the coaches critisise the reffing they are fined or suspended. Why does the NHL allow this to go on? Is it because they if gives the league more exposure?

maybe there just more media, more blogs, more portals to use an NHL website term if you like. maybe there's just more attention in the wireless age.

Thank you.

[Vladifan 680]

Wow.

At least Anaheim fans are just clueless and have no idea their team is dirty. You don't mind players getting hurt. That sucks.

Where does he talk about players getting hurt in his statement? Right now, you're fanning the flames of a discussion that should be OVER

[Vladifan 680]

Actually, it's not. It's about James Wisniewski in toto.

Wrong. It's about James Wisniewski WHO CHOSE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT HOMER WAS DIRTY AND GUTLESS and here we are again, arguing crap that has to be resolved (if EVER) on the ice.

[EastLansingNative 1]

Personally, if I were Homer, I would have waited until after he was on the stretcher to throw the elbow...

And then I would have made the "Heavyweight Title Belt" gesture, a la Tie Domi!!!

But that's just me...

[tdinc 45]

Wisniewski is a baby,

Yes it was an elbow, but not intent to harm. Itas over and done. now watch the ducks get cooked.

[Vladifan 680]

Pronger is dirty. Not to many people deny that even Anaheim fans like me. That brown hit was 100% clean elbow tucked in and not even 1 second after puck release. Holstrom is also a dirty player. Holstrom got away with a ton in game three. Multiple slashes to Niedermeyer, elbow on Wiz, cross checked hiller in the face mask. EVERY team in the league has dirty players. end story

...yeeeeahhh...What would you say the ratio of calling legit penalties on Homer to those that are legitimately called on his behalf?

Oh, I wishIwishIwish there were some way to figure that one out....

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Man the Ducks are just stuck in the past thinking about game 3 while the wings are looking forward to game 4.

[Theophany 110]

...yeeeeahhh...What would you say the ratio of calling legit penalties on Homer to those that are legitimately called on his behalf?

Oh, I wishIwishIwish there were some way to figure that one out....

Dude, that's like dividing by zero.

[hamip1998 3]

What a bunch of ******* ice lawyers. You guys sound like Wiz and Homer are on trial.

Did Homer elbow, YES. Could it have been called? Yes. Was it? No. Homer historically isn't a cheap shot artist, so I doubt it was done knowing that Wiz was already hurt. If it was...well, I don't agree with it and wouldn't justify it. Only Homer really knows.

Don't think for one min. that Duck players don't dive if they think they can draw a penalty. Don't spend another min. thinking that Wings players DON'T. None of these guys are as innocent as they make themselves out to be. These guys get paid LARGE sums of money to play hockey and win games. It's not any different than a business person who bends rules and exercises sometimes questionable ethics in order to make a larger profit. Do I like it? No, but it is reality, like it or not.

As a Wings fan, I think Wiz needs to put on his big girl panties and STFU. Calling out someone in the media like that is an obvious attempt to get the Wings even further off their game. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. If he didn't like it, get Homer back the next time they play each other.

[ducks4cup 0]

of all the hits Kronwall has made how many times has he broke someone's nose.

go home troll.

and the problem with coming to another board in a respectful manner is..........?????

Well he did with no call. I am just pointing out that both teams are getting the ass end of the refs in this series.

[ducks4cup 0]

What a bunch of ******* ice lawyers. You guys sound like Wiz and Homer are on trial.

Did Homer elbow, YES. Could it have been called? Yes. Was it? No. Homer historically isn't a cheap shot artist, so I doubt it was done knowing that Wiz was already hurt. If it was...well, I don't agree with it and wouldn't justify it. Only Homer really knows.

Don't think for one min. that Duck players don't dive if they think they can draw a penalty. Don't spend another min. thinking that Wings players DON'T. None of these guys are as innocent as they make themselves out to be. These guys get paid LARGE sums of money to play hockey and win games. It's not any different than a business person who bends rules and exercises sometimes questionable ethics in order to make a larger profit. Do I like it? No, but it is reality, like it or not.

As a Wings fan, I think Wiz needs to put on his big girl panties and STFU. Calling out someone in the media like that is an obvious attempt to get the Wings even further off their game. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. If he didn't like it, get Homer back the next time they play each other.

:clap:

** Don't think that the wing's organization doesn't do it's fair share of lobbying to the refs/ nhl though.

[ducks4cup 0]

...yeeeeahhh...What would you say the ratio of calling legit penalties on Homer to those that are legitimately called on his behalf?

Oh, I wishIwishIwish there were some way to figure that one out....

Most are legit. /thread

[Statts 4]

Most are legit. /thread

I can agree with this if you call it by the book. Thing is, if you call it by the book with Homer then it should be called by the book with everybody else, and its not. IMO

As for the topic, I don't care about his opinion so...

Edited May 8, 2009 by Statts

[Vincanni 1]

Homer is an agitator and part of that job portfolio is to delve into dirty play occasionally and Homer is not immune to this notion at all, even if he's far from appearing in anyone's top ten. However, its also fair to say Holmstrom takes more punishment for his style of play than most likely anyone in the league. Wiz calling him gutlass is about as appropriate as a 1st grader calling his nemesis a "doody head," and just makes him sound like a whiner who's crying over the sour grapes served up to him for taking an unfortunate slap shot to the ribs. Granted he's understandably annoyed seeing as he can't play, but no Duck has 1 tenth the claim to any complains about anything occurring in that game as much as any Wings player.

[Jake Ryan 1]

Biased as I may be, it looked like Homer was knocked off balance and flailed, thus hitting Wisniewski in the face with his elbow. Probably could have been called a penalty but it wasn't. One thing it wasn't though was intentional. I think Wisniewski was a little out of line.

Please do not say things like this. Can you imagine if the Duck Fans started saying that Brown was falling down and flailing and his elbow accidentally hit Hudler? Come on, bro. I like the Wings too, but I know when to call an elbow an elbow and a cheap shot a cheap shot. Holmstrom's elbow was a cheap shot. Was it a cheap shot of Jordan Tootoo (sp?) or Ulf Samuelsson proportions? Hell no. But was it a dirty cheap shot? Yah, it was.