Kronwall Hit

[SiLkK19 67]

The look on the old man next to Havlat is priceless

[elriqo28 2]

And a game misconduct for delay of game.

awesome! love it!

[Finnish Wing 110]

I think 5 mins for that is an absolute joke...hope they don't make it anymore ridiculous by giving extra game misconducts.

Edited May 23, 2009 by Finnish Wing

[LeftWinger 5,153]

I agree, the call was pretty suspect, seeing the hit it looked clean. I just dont see the overjoy at seeing a player get hurt like that no matter whose team they are on. I know this is your board but show some class.

You;re only saying this because your team won. If our team would've won the game, you'd be preaching a whole different story! Fact is, Havlat played the puck with his skate, HE TOUCHED THE PUCK! Hit was legal, this took our #3 defensman ot of the game and left us with 5, it was only a matter of time before it effected us! I will leave be reminding you of what EVERY hockey analyst thinks (besides the CHicao media) refs 4 Detroit 3. Oh yeah, I think CBC said it best, Detroit proves they don't need the refs to score goals... Epic, Epic playoff win by the refs, perfect example of diliberately prolonging a series. Thats ok though, thas why it's best of seven, enjoy it until Sunday...

[hawknut 0]

I think 5 mins for that is an absolute joke...hope they don't make it anymore ridiculous by giving extra game misconducts.

5 minutes is a joke.....2 minutes would be a joke. These are the selected NHL officals who were chosen as some of the best to be in a game like this. SO much for the same old NHL problem. Clueless officals.

Edited May 23, 2009 by hawknut

[Dustywt4 0]

I am shocked about what happened last night. After reviewing the hit for some time today, I can honestly say that the play maybe warranted a 2 minute interference call. MAYBE. 5 minutes and a game misconduct? The officials handed that game to Chicago and it makes me sick.

It is my opinion that the only call on that play should have been a 5 minute major to Havlat for being stupid. These guys play hockey from the time they can walk into their 30s or 40s. How has Havlat lasted this long? See a defenseman then look down? What do you expect? Shame on Havlat. Shame on the officials. I would say shame on Chicago fans, but who can fault them for being excited that their team won? Chicago fans should be embarassed about last nights win.

As a Wings fan, all I am asking for is a fair shake from the refs.

[pjgj13 30]

What we should do is if someone gets hit hard, pretend to be injured and go off the ice for a short time and see if a 5 minute major is a result.

[sixer 37]

Don't even get me started on this joke of a call. 100% CLEAN HIT!!!! He had the puck, he hit him with this shoulder and never left the ice before hitting him.

AND most importantly none of the Refs had their hand up for a Penalty, if Havlat gets up there is no penalty!! But since he's a wimp and is always injured, he couldn't take this clean hit.

Back in the day we would celebrate hits like this, Kronwall would be on the cover of Cherry's Rock'em'Sockem Hits and he would the highlight of the night for best clean hit!

I'm glad that all the media outlets admitted today the Refs made a mistake and with the exception of a few Stupid Hawk fans, know this was a clean hit and bad call by the Refs which cost us Kronwall for the game, momentum and a 5 min pp for the Hawks.

If anything, there should have been no Penalty as none of the Refs had their hands up for a call, and let the league review and determine if anything required.

The only bad thing about the Hit is that it wasn't Pronger laying on the ice. Oh well, one day!!!

[Hossa's Heroes 0]

25 penalty minutes in the 1st period....on the Wings....in Game 2, Lidstrom had 2 penalties in one period. Then Kronner puts the hurt on Head-Down Havlat and gets called for....Interference? WTF?! That hit was so clean, even Pronger learned a thing or two. The refs did all they could to hand that game to the Hawks, and the Wings still came back and tied it up. Alright Kronwall, please hit Toews so hard in Game 4 that those lame ass muttonchops of his come flyin' off!

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

Source

Rule 56 - Interference

56.1 Interference - A strict standard on acts of interference must be adhered to in all areas of the rink.

Body Position: Body position shall be determined as the player skating in front of or beside his opponent, traveling in the same direction. A player who is behind an opponent, who does not have the puck, may not use his stick, body or free hand in order to restrain his opponent, but must skate in order to gain or reestablish his proper position in order to make a check.

A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. A player may “block” the path of an opponent provided he is in front of his opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving laterally and without establishing body position, then making contact with the non-puck carrier is not permitted and will be penalized as interference. A player is always entitled to use his body position to lengthen an opponent’s path to the puck, provided his stick is not utilized (to make himself “bigger” and therefore considerably lengthening the distance his opponent must travel to get where he is going); his free hand is not used and he does not take advantage of his body position to deliver an otherwise illegal check.

Possession of the Puck:

The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

Restrain: The actions of a player or goalkeeper who does not have body position, but instead uses illegal means (e.g. hook with stick; hold with hands, trip with the stick or in any manner) to impede an opponent who is not in possession of the puck. Illegal means are acts which allow a player or goalkeeper to establish, maintain or restore body position other than by skating.

Pick: A “pick” is the action of a player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal “battle for the puck,” may not be interfered with by a player or goalkeeper delivering a “pick.” A player or goalkeeper delivering a “pick” is one who moves into an opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done, an interference penalty shall be assessed.

Free Hand: When a free hand is used to hold, pull, tug, grab or physically restrain an opponent from moving freely, this must be penalized as holding. The free hand may be used by a player to “fend off” an opponent or his stick, but may not be used to hold an opponent’s stick or body.

Stick: A player or goalkeeper who does not have body position on his opponent, who uses his stick (either the blade or the shaft, including the butt-end of the shaft) to impede or prevent his opponent from moving freely on the ice shall be assessed a hooking penalty.

56.2 Minor Penalty - A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who interferes with or impedes the progress of an opponent who is not in possession of the puck.

A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who restrains an opponent who is attempting to “fore-check.”

A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who is not in possession of the puck.

A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who shall cause an opponent who is not in possession of the puck to be forced off-side, causing a stoppage in play. If this action causes a delayed off-side (and not necessarily a stoppage in play), then the application of a penalty for interference is subject to the judgment of the Referee.

A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who deliberately knocks a stick out of an opponent’s hand, or who prevents a player who has dropped his stick or any other piece of equipment from regaining possession of it.

A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who knocks or shoots any abandoned or broken stick or illegal puck or other debris towards an opposing puck carrier in a manner that could cause him to be distracted. (See also Rule 53 – Throwing Equipment.)

A minor penalty shall be imposed on any identifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play. In addition, should a player about to come onto the ice, play the puck while one or both skates are still on the players’ or penalty bench, a minor penalty for interference shall be assessed.

The appropriate penalty according to the playing rules shall be assessed when a player on the players’ or penalty bench gets involved with an opponent on the ice during a stoppage in play. The player(s) involved may be subject to additional sanctions as appropriate pursuant to Rule 29 – Supplementary Discipline.

56.3 Bench Minor Penalty - A bench minor penalty shall be imposed when an unidentifiable player on the players’ bench or penalty bench or any Coach or non-playing Club personnel who, by means of his stick or his body, interferes with the movements of the puck or any opponent on the ice during the progress of the play.

56.4 Major Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence, to a player or goalkeeper guilty of interfering with an opponent (see 56.5).

56.5 Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

56.6 Penalty Shot - When a player in control of the puck in the neutral or attacking zone and having no other opponent to pass than the goalkeeper is interfered with by a stick or any part thereof or any other object or piece of equipment thrown or shot by any member of the defending team including the Coach or non-playing Club personnel, a penalty shot shall be awarded to the non-offending team. When a Coach or non-playing Club personnel is guilty of such an act, he shall be automatically suspended from the game, ordered to the dressing room and the matter will be reported to the Commissioner for possible further disciplinary action.

56.7 Awarded Goal - If, when the goalkeeper has been removed from the ice, any member of his team (including the goalkeeper) not legally on the ice, including the Coach or non-playing Club personnel, interferes by means of his body, stick or any other object or piece of equipment with the movements of the puck or an opposing player in the neutral or attacking zone, the Referee shall immediately award a goal to the non-offending team. When a Coach or non-playing Club personnel is guilty of such an act, he shall be automatically suspended from the game, ordered to the dressing room and the matter will be reported to the Commissioner for possible further disciplinary action.

By calling the hit "Interference" the 56.4 Major Penalty rule gives the ref, or linesman, quite a wide degree of discretion.

They had to dig deep for that one. It was not interference pure and simple. Puck was there.

Has anyone here ever seen a hit like that called interference?

Edited May 23, 2009 by MidMichSteve

[ifonlyicouldskate 11]

Much apologies to Dan O' on that one, thought he screwed us again, but neither of the refs signaled a call, it was the dips*** linesmen who made the call after he saw Havlat was hurt. Interference really? This proves the call was completely fabricated, if it was charging I might have understood, but interference, puh-lease.

And if it was interference, than how come there is no call on the hit to kronwall right after the havlat smash. Now to me that hit was boarding/charging and interference. We got screwed on this call.

edit spelling

Edited May 23, 2009 by ifonlyicouldskate

[P. Marlowe 748]

Quenneville said that Kronwall left his feet. It's hard not to when you go full speed and run into someone who's crouched lower than you. From these screen captures you can see that Kronwall didn't leave his feet until he was already made contact with Havlat. He is not jumping, he is leaning. The power of the hit made Kronwall leave his feet just as it made Havlat fall down.

Edited May 23, 2009 by P. Marlowe

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

My bad.

Edited May 23, 2009 by MidMichSteve

[Guest Four]

Quenneville said that Kronwall left his feet. It's hard not to when you go full speed and run into someone who's crouched lower than you. From these screen captures you can see that Kronwall didn't leave his feet until he was already made contact with Havlat. He is not jumping, he is leaning. The power of the hit made Kronwall leave his feet just as it made Havlat fall down.

One foot down clearly

Plain as day, good hit.

[MidMichSteve 1,115]

Much apologies to Dan O' on that one, thought he screwed us again, but neither of the refs signaled a call, it was the dips*** linesmen who made the call after he saw Havlat was hurt. Interference really? This proves the call was completely fabricated, if it was charging I might have understood, but interference, puh-lease.

That's the key. No call initially, and interference is always called as it happens.

The Major wouldn't be called without the interference call.

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

That call... wow. I think the only reason why that would of been called 5 instead of 2 because he got hurt.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Rule #1. Keep head up.

Did it warrant a 5:00 major? That's pushing it, but I understand the reasoning.

Did it warrant an ejection? Absolutely not.

[Pretty Irish Girl 0]

What are the chances that they will call up Downey on Sunday to handle the goonery retaliations from the Blackhawks ?

[HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878]

What are the chances that they will call up Downey on Sunday to handle the goonery retaliations from the Blackhawks ?

What goon? There is like none on Blackhawks.

Edited May 23, 2009 by HadThomasVokounOnFortSt

[sixer 37]

What are the chances that they will call up Downey on Sunday to handle the goonery retaliations from the Blackhawks ?

Zero to none. We'll punish them with the Red Light behind their net.

[b.shanafan14 733]

Somewhere, Scott Stevens is crying, Gary Bettman is laughing, and last nights squad of officials is cashing checks they don't deserve.

Its become a joke when an early whistle because one guy doesn't see the puck when he is out of position can erase a perfectly good goal in the playoffs, and on plays like this no ref raises their arm until after the bodies are off the ice because they have a bleeding heart for a downed man in HOCKEY.

Complete fabrication. For me its the equivalent of everyone seeing a good goal, but the goaltender gives puppy-dog eyes and quivery lip, so they decide to make a no-goal call. Same senario, everyone sees one thing, but the aftermath makes them go against what their brain knows to be true.

Can I institute a vote of No-Confidence in the NHL?

[Jones31 0]

You'd get my vote.

[RockyMountainWingGal 108]

Rule #1. Keep head up.

Did it warrant a 5:00 major? That's pushing it, but I understand the reasoning.

Did it warrant an ejection? Absolutely not.

Wiz-whatever got tossed in our series vs the Ducks, now Kronner gets tossed vs the Hawks. I'm going to call that even - no more game tossing calls!

Why does everyone wish Havlat gets hurt? Great hit, but not funny to see a guy out cold on the ice. If that was Z or Pav, I would be very sad.

That said, let's go Wings and just take back this series tomorrow...no mercy on Huet or whomever sits in net for them...

[dat's sick 1,002]

Why does everyone wish Havlat gets hurt? Great hit, but not funny to see a guy out cold on the ice. If that was Z or Pav, I would be very sad.

Who is wishing Havlat got hurt? I think it's scary as f*** when a player gets knocked out like that, but that don't change the fact that the hit was good and clean.

When you don't keep your head up, it hurts. I learned that lesson the hard way, and that was on a much, much lower level than the NHL.

[ChitownWingsfan 54]