NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Using other's misfortunes and disabilities as an insult.. Classy Do you use "***" too? This is SOOOO *** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
talex 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 I have suspected that Lids, Dats and Hoss have all had some sort of injury since the Ducks series, I think this is why some of the lower lines are fighting as hard as they are as well, because they know it... the only thing Babcock can do is play them either way unless they are unable to play, we are still up 2 to 1 and last night was a 1 shot game and who knows what would have happened if Lids stick would not have broken. Z has been playing incredible Stevie Y like 2 way hockey, nothing to critique him for really. An aside to all the retard/*** posts... Stop being so dammed thin skinned and PC, this is a hockey site, grow a pair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Hossa knows what the playoffs are about. He has also seen the losing side of the SCF. Many of our younger players only know the joy of victory: drinking from the Cup, the cheering crowds lining Woodward, the gaity and frivolity of being a celebrity at parties, the talk shows and television appearances- in short, the life of a rock star. Hossa knows the bitter disappointment. He knows the long hours, the sweat, the blood, the tears, that go into the long run for the Cup. He knows the emptiness of giving it all and coming away with nothing. Babcock doesn't need to remind him of this. He knows in a way the others don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Keep playing him and keep telling him to give the effort and do what he normally does to produce. He's going to do no good sitting on the bench... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) So being *** is a misfortune and a disability? All of you who posted along of the lines of this - grow up, seriously. You know exactly what I meant when I said that, directing it to "retarded". *** is just another word ignorant fools throw around because they have their own opinion of it, just as retarded. There is no need to twist my words around and be like that. You're all sooooo classy Maybe the organization is, but many of the fans sure aren't. Edited May 23, 2009 by Four Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Keep playing him and keep telling him to give the effort and do what he normally does to produce. He's going to do no good sitting on the bench... I agree, once he gets one goal they will come in like hotcakes. It was like last night game, before the Wings got there first goal I told my buddy "Wings need to just get one goal and then everything will click." Sure enough one goes in, and then 2 more, tie game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted May 23, 2009 I agree, once he gets one goal they will come in like hotcakes. It was like last night game, before the Wings got there first goal I told my buddy "Wings need to just get one goal and then everything will click." Sure enough one goes in, and then 2 more, tie game. We said that during the Columbus series and he scores two goals and nothing happens. We said that during the Ducks series and he scores against the Ducks and nothing happens. What makes it different this time around if he ends up scoring once or twice in a game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 We said that during the Columbus series and he scores two goals and nothing happens. We said that during the Ducks series and he scores against the Ducks and nothing happens. What makes it different this time around if he ends up scoring once or twice in a game? Because then we will still know he is on the team playing once he gets a goal. . Plus, I can feel it, he will be god now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen848 58 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Maybe the organization is, but many of the fans sure aren't. Much like the fans that start ridiculous threads like this after a loss about a player that assisted on 2 of the 3 goals their team scored. You fair weather fans drive me nuts. You probably didn't like the Red Wings at all until they started winning regularly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 If we lose to the pens and he sucks in that series as well, he'll only be able to blame himself when he looks back at his horrible numbers in the postseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 All of you who posted along of the lines of this - grow up, seriously. You know exactly what I meant when I said that, directing it to "retarded". *** is just another word ignorant fools throw around because they have their own opinion of it, just as retarded. There is no need to twist my words around and be like that. You're all sooooo classy Maybe the organization is, but many of the fans sure aren't. Wait now you are using the word retarded. You should be ashamed. Ya'll need to STFU, what happened to society to make us such sensitive pansies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 All of you who posted along of the lines of this - grow up, seriously. You know exactly what I meant when I said that, directing it to "retarded". *** is just another word ignorant fools throw around because they have their own opinion of it, just as retarded. There is no need to twist my words around and be like that. You're all sooooo classy Maybe the organization is, but many of the fans sure aren't. Dude, seriously, this is so *** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocket Queen 30 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 I don't really care what he does with him, as long as he doesn't petition to have him re-signed next year. When you sign a guy to a deal specifically so he can win a cup, you expect more in the playoffs. Dallas Drake was replaceable in the regular season last year, yet he brought his game to the next level in the playoffs. Hossa hasn't done anything close. Oh, but he backchecks, so lets forgive him for everything. All I know is, this guy has more incentive than everyone on this roster to be performing well. He of all people should be dominating, yet hes being outplayed by about 15 other guys on this roster right now. sounds about right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocket Queen 30 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 also... how did a question about Hossa's lack luster playoff performance turn in to a war over verbiage... Seriously people...grow up...develop thicker skin or stay indoors and never venture out or you might fall and scrape a knee... boofricketyhoo. Look up the definitions of these worrds you're so offended by and maybe learn a thing or two... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutty2003 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 why is this thread even started after this game? HE HAD 2 ASSISTS TONIGHT PEOPLE, everyone complains he only shoots and his passing was a direct result of TWO of our goals,,, Four... you seem to be the ignorant one in this whole bickering, while noone condones using words such as *** or retarded as adjectives, to allow such words to effect you in such a manner is sad, words are words, take the high road if you don't like it, don't be just as "classless" with your insults Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Four Report post Posted May 23, 2009 why is this thread even started after this game? HE HAD 2 ASSISTS TONIGHT PEOPLE, everyone complains he only shoots and his passing was a direct result of TWO of our goals,,, Four... you seem to be the ignorant one in this whole bickering, while noone condones using words such as *** or retarded as adjectives, to allow such words to effect you in such a manner is sad, words are words, take the high road if you don't like it, don't be just as "classless" with your insults What insults? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 What insults? Well, for one You're all sooooo classy Maybe the organization is, but many of the fans sure aren't. They were *** insults, no biggie. I'm not objecting, just answering your question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sureWhyNot 19 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Using other's misfortunes and disabilities as an insult.. Classy Do you use "***" too? Haha Political Correctness police to the rescue. This post is R-E-T-A-R-T-E-D with a capital R. And *** is an adjective that shows one is having or showing a merry, lively mood - so settle down you middle school principal you. As to your initial - and incredibly waste of space question - Babcock should do nothing - absolutely nothing. I also don't really buy into Hossa being a "carreerr choker in the playoffs." While his numbers definitely do not match his regular season play per say, minus a couple years his playoff points look pretty good: Year Team GP G A PTS PIM 1998-99 OTT NHL 4 0 2 2 4 1999-00 OTT NHL 6 0 0 0 2 2000-01 OTT NHL 4 1 1 2 4 2001-02 OTT NHL 12 4 6 10 2 2002-03 OTT NHL 18 5 11 16 6 2003-04 OTT NHL 7 3 1 4 0 2006-07 NYR NHL 4 0 1 1 6 2007-08 PIT NHL 20 12 14 26 12 Totals 75 25 36 61 36 I mean he is a .81 point per game player in the playoffs, which again, isn't jaw dropping, but far from "notorious playoff choker". If you take out his first two seasons in Ottawa, in which both the team was bad, and Hossa was still finding his stride in the league, he jumps to a .85 points per game player, which isnt much of a jump, but again, isn't a black hole of a number either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sureWhyNot 19 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Wait now you are using the word retarded. You should be ashamed. Ya'll need to STFU, what happened to society to make us such sensitive pansies. Yup, you sir, are 100% correct on this one. Contrived outrage is one of the most annoying traits one can show, and whenever tears are shed over someone using a word (in this case it be retarded or ***) it shows how truly warped the perspective of so many truly is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 I think Hossa's game is not suited for the playoffs As soon as he gets the puck he shoots... You need to crash the net in the playoffs to score goals. Really disappointed about Zetterberg performance either. A big step back from game 1 and 2. At this point I am wondering if Pitt offense in the finals won't be too big. Without our big guys, we won't get 10 goals from Cleary and Samuelsson to match Crosby & Malkin Pittsburgh won't give us much trouble. The biggest difference with Pittsburgh from last year to this year is they don't have Hossa who played like a monster for them last year. None of the has-beens that they picked up are anywhere as good as Hossa was last year. The second biggest difference is the Fleury was great last year and not very good this year. Last year he had a .933 save % and a 1.97 GAA, this year he has .899 and 2.76. Pittsburgh is not going to win the Stanley Cup with a goaltender with an .899 save percentage against a team that averages 38 shots per game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Haha Political Correctness police to the rescue. This post is R-E-T-A-R-T-E-D with a capital R. And *** is an adjective that shows one is having or showing a merry, lively mood - so settle down you middle school principal you. As to your initial - and incredibly waste of space question - Babcock should do nothing - absolutely nothing. I also don't really buy into Hossa being a "carreerr choker in the playoffs." While his numbers definitely do not match his regular season play per say, minus a couple years his playoff points look pretty good: Year Team GP G A PTS PIM 1998-99 OTT NHL 4 0 2 2 4 1999-00 OTT NHL 6 0 0 0 2 2000-01 OTT NHL 4 1 1 2 4 2001-02 OTT NHL 12 4 6 10 2 2002-03 OTT NHL 18 5 11 16 6 2003-04 OTT NHL 7 3 1 4 0 2006-07 NYR NHL 4 0 1 1 6 2007-08 PIT NHL 20 12 14 26 12 Totals 75 25 36 61 36 I mean he is a .81 point per game player in the playoffs, which again, isn't jaw dropping, but far from "notorious playoff choker". If you take out his first two seasons in Ottawa, in which both the team was bad, and Hossa was still finding his stride in the league, he jumps to a .85 points per game player, which isnt much of a jump, but again, isn't a black hole of a number either. Aw, statistics, you can interpret them in many different ways. In the 7 years before last year, his combined pts/game is a only 0.64. That's not very good for a guy that you are paying 7.5M to score goals... I hate to say it but it's looking like last year was an exception. This year he is also at 0.64. I'm glad we didn't re-sign him at the expense of Hudler, Sammy and Flip.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Perfect fit in the locker room. Barely above average fit on the ice. Not quite sure why that is or how that process unfolds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) I think the biggest gripe that people are having with Hossa- and with Pavel and, to some extent, Homer- is the difference between the number of goals scored in the regular season compared to the post-season. Compare the accelleration of goals per game of players like Cleary and Samuelsson to the retardation of the scoring pace of players like Datsyuk and Hossa, and it appears that the latter two have been slacking. Last season Franzen surprised us with his scoring. Sammy has been a surprise in the playoffs for the last several years (not that it takes much to surprise LGW folks) simply because the puck has actually found the net at key times. The playoffs tend to be a time when the unexpected players shine, largely due to the opponents' intensified focus on the star players. If Hossa is not able to put the puck in because he doesn't have a lane, but is able to pass it to someone who does, he is doing his job. Edit to add that crashing the net would be nice- but that goes for everyone. Edited May 23, 2009 by 55fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 9 points in 14 games. No exactly "choking", but clearly he should do better. Any one going to look at Holmstrom? 4 points... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted May 23, 2009 You probably didn't like the Red Wings at all until they started winning regularly. Considering the Wings have been a great team year after year since I've been alive I suppose you could say that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
