So here we are

[truebladearmy 33]

Pittsburgh scores one. But Pittsburgh didn't even put it in. Erricson made a mistake and bumped it in.

Meanwhile, Pitts fans are complaining that Detroit had SIX lucky goals, and is certain that is why Detroit is ahead, when in fact, Pittsburgh has only put 1 in the net for themselves

That Powerplay, that lead to that goal, was a slashing call, which if you view the slow motion video reply, the two sticks never even connected. (The video can be found in another thread, sorry no link off the top of my head)

We now have a new rule in hockey, it states: "We make rules, but we can add to them on the fly, and "Frustration of a player" is now a valid reason to take back a call."

I just find it amusing. Old school hockey is certainly a thing of the past.

I stopped watching Basketball when I started seeing NBA players fly to the ground without being touched, land on their ass hands planted firmly to push them another 10 feet across the floor (My friend and I use to Tivo the games and slow mo it, hehe).

As a rule, sports are becoming more and more theatrical. It's kind of sad.

[Hockeytown_Ryan 122]

Not really "Rules"..

More like "Guidelines" really

[Opie 308]

Good try bad execution, Stuart put it in!

Is thread is whining about whining, and soon there will be a whining about whining about whining which will then lead to a whining about whining about whining about whining while winning!

Say that 5 times fast!

(That that that that that hah beat you to it I am the bestest internet user ever!)

[RedWings 79]

Pitt has been extremely unlucky, that Crosby post but also many others. They had HUGE chances to come back at 2/2.

I thought Pitt defensive play was awesome, and the offense is also much better than last year.

we can be happy to be up 2-0. we were lucky but we also played our top game, none of our victories is a steal.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

First goal was a good goal. Huge scramble around the net, pucks just as likely to go in off your own guy as much as theirs.

[truebladearmy 33]

Good try bad execution, Stuart put it in!

Is thread is whining about whining, and soon there will be a whining about whining about whining which will then lead to a whining about whining about whining about whining while winning!

Say that 5 times fast!

(That that that that that hah beat you to it I am the bestest internet user ever!)

I don't think I was whining. Read my other posts. I tend to be very "non-whiney".

But, if that's the word you've got stuck on your tongue, not much I can do about that.

[Holmstrom96 347]

Stuart put it in, not Ericsson.

[87to71 0]

Keep in mind while the Red Wings did win 2 out of 3 games last year here in the Finals they did not do so without having to take it down to the absolute final seconds. They lost game 3 of course 3-2, they won game 4 2-1 but had to kill off a 5 on 3 power play to do so and hold off a huge Pens surge in the final minute to avoid going to overtime. And of course we all know what happened in Game 6 where it was 2-1 Wings going into the 3rd until Fleury sat on Zetterberg's shot and knocked it in off his backside which made it 3-1, and then of course the Pens cut it to 3-2 in the last minute and then Hossa came inches away from tying it up in the final seconds.

So while the Red Wings did win here twice last season in the finals keep in mind they had to once again catch a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd. I see Games 3 and 4 being just like this only this time around I like the Penguins chances a lot better on home ice as long as Fleury plays better, and seeing that this team can take it to Detroit more and has so far these first two games in Detroit unlike last year, and this year Datsyuk wont be in the lineup either.

[truebladearmy 33]

Stuart put it in, not Ericsson.

I meant that. So what, I'm drunk, and was reading vehemently through the forums :-p

Didn't catch that I wrote Ericsson. My bad.

[truebladearmy 33]

Keep in mind while the Red Wings did win 2 out of 3 games last year here in the Finals they did not do so without having to take it down to the absolute final seconds. They lost game 3 of course 3-2, they won game 4 2-1 but had to kill off a 5 on 3 power play to do so and hold off a huge Pens surge in the final minute to avoid going to overtime. And of course we all know what happened in Game 6 where it was 2-1 Wings going into the 3rd until Fleury sat on Zetterberg's shot and knocked it in off his backside which made it 3-1, and then of course the Pens cut it to 3-2 in the last minute and then Hossa came inches away from tying it up in the final seconds.

So while the Red Wings did win here twice last season in the finals keep in mind they had to once again catch a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd. I see Games 3 and 4 being just like this only this time around I like the Penguins chances a lot better on home ice as long as Fleury plays better, and seeing that this team can take it to Detroit more and has so far these first two games in Detroit unlike last year, and this year Datsyuk wont be in the lineup either.

I was digging your reply a bit until you said.....

"a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd"

Guys like Hudler and Zetterberg? By "like Zetterberg" do you mean.......one of the top guys on our team? And by Hudler do you mean.... "One of our best clutch playoff scorers?"

Just want to verify.

[Sneaky Pete 0]

I don't think I was whining. Read my other posts. I tend to be very "non-whiney".

But, if that's the word you've got stuck on your tongue, not much I can do about that.

Well, actually you could stop whining.

[titanium2 867]

Game 6 was not as close as the score indicated. The Wings dominated the 3rd period defensively as the Pens only got one shot on goal in a little over 18 minutes of play.

I'm not exactly sure on this but they needed a cheap call in order to get their next shot on the PP. Speaking of which, the refs blatantly ignored Malone's penalty on Lilja (that, hockey fans, is interference unlike whatever Dupuis was complaining about). Then after that they somehow refused to call the obvious trip on Datsyuk. My main point is that if you want to talk about lucky breaks then you cannot ignore those.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Then after that they somehow refused to call the obvious trip on Datsyuk.

The most blatant, obvious non-call-for-the-sake-of-drama in the history of the league... that game was ******* over. /rage

[Yzermania 156]

Pitt has been extremely unlucky, that Crosby post but also many others. They had HUGE chances to come back at 2/2.

I thought Pitt defensive play was awesome, and the offense is also much better than last year.

we can be happy to be up 2-0. we were lucky but we also played our top game, none of our victories is a steal.

our top game? I've yet to see that this series.

[truebladearmy 33]

Well, actually you could stop whining.

Clever.

Don't get pissy.

[Sneaky Pete 0]

Clever.

Don't get pissy.

Then stop saying inane things.

[truebladearmy 33]

Then stop saying inane things.

I will assume now, that you are a Pittsburgh fan.

[whitey 4]

Keep in mind while the Red Wings did win 2 out of 3 games last year here in the Finals they did not do so without having to take it down to the absolute final seconds. They lost game 3 of course 3-2, they won game 4 2-1 but had to kill off a 5 on 3 power play to do so and hold off a huge Pens surge in the final minute to avoid going to overtime. And of course we all know what happened in Game 6 where it was 2-1 Wings going into the 3rd until Fleury sat on Zetterberg's shot and knocked it in off his backside which made it 3-1, and then of course the Pens cut it to 3-2 in the last minute and then Hossa came inches away from tying it up in the final seconds.

So while the Red Wings did win here twice last season in the finals keep in mind they had to once again catch a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd. I see Games 3 and 4 being just like this only this time around I like the Penguins chances a lot better on home ice as long as Fleury plays better, and seeing that this team can take it to Detroit more and has so far these first two games in Detroit unlike last year, and this year Datsyuk wont be in the lineup either.

This happens in real life as well. Losers complain about luck; winners make their luck.

If the Pens think like you, they are ready for a Blackhawk like implosion.

[Broken 16 381]

Keep in mind while the Red Wings did win 2 out of 3 games last year here in the Finals they did not do so without having to take it down to the absolute final seconds. They lost game 3 of course 3-2, they won game 4 2-1 but had to kill off a 5 on 3 power play to do so and hold off a huge Pens surge in the final minute to avoid going to overtime. And of course we all know what happened in Game 6 where it was 2-1 Wings going into the 3rd until Fleury sat on Zetterberg's shot and knocked it in off his backside which made it 3-1, and then of course the Pens cut it to 3-2 in the last minute and then Hossa came inches away from tying it up in the final seconds.

So while the Red Wings did win here twice last season in the finals keep in mind they had to once again catch a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd. I see Games 3 and 4 being just like this only this time around I like the Penguins chances a lot better on home ice as long as Fleury plays better, and seeing that this team can take it to Detroit more and has so far these first two games in Detroit unlike last year, and this year Datsyuk wont be in the lineup either.

I went to your boards and browsed around. It's hysterical that most of you guys are blaming "Hockey Gods" for both losses. As far as Datsyuk not being in the line-up... so what? Your team had a golden opportunity to, at the VERY least, send a message. The Wings got completely hosed on the SCF schedule and were completely exhausted... not to mention completely battered and your guys couldn't even manage to pull within a goal either game. But go ahead and blame the hockey gods... lol.

[TCbrizz 2]

Stuart put it in, not Ericsson.

This.

as for the posts...i'm sick of that whining too...happens every game. Zetterberg had a VERY close post clanger too that beat Fleury and hit the inside of the post in the first period. Franzen has hit the post...at least two others have....it happens. If you want to include those in the "what ifs" we could have just as easily won 6-1 as lose 4-3. Penguins fans are proving to be even worse than their captain when it comes to losing with grace. or a lack thereof.

[cirov19 1]

Keep in mind while the Red Wings did win 2 out of 3 games last year here in the Finals they did not do so without having to take it down to the absolute final seconds. They lost game 3 of course 3-2, they won game 4 2-1 but had to kill off a 5 on 3 power play to do so and hold off a huge Pens surge in the final minute to avoid going to overtime. And of course we all know what happened in Game 6 where it was 2-1 Wings going into the 3rd until Fleury sat on Zetterberg's shot and knocked it in off his backside which made it 3-1, and then of course the Pens cut it to 3-2 in the last minute and then Hossa came inches away from tying it up in the final seconds.

So while the Red Wings did win here twice last season in the finals keep in mind they had to once again catch a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd. I see Games 3 and 4 being just like this only this time around I like the Penguins chances a lot better on home ice as long as Fleury plays better, and seeing that this team can take it to Detroit more and has so far these first two games in Detroit unlike last year, and this year Datsyuk wont be in the lineup either.

Funny thing that a goalie is part of a team... having a weak link breaks down the team. Sucks when one individual single-handedly lost every game for you, (according to 95% of Pens "fans").

Oh... by the way, you need to score goals to win games. More than one would probably help.

Edited June 2, 2009 by cirov19

[dawings1905 2]

Keep in mind while the Red Wings did win 2 out of 3 games last year here in the Finals they did not do so without having to take it down to the absolute final seconds. They lost game 3 of course 3-2, they won game 4 2-1 but had to kill off a 5 on 3 power play to do so and hold off a huge Pens surge in the final minute to avoid going to overtime. And of course we all know what happened in Game 6 where it was 2-1 Wings going into the 3rd until Fleury sat on Zetterberg's shot and knocked it in off his backside which made it 3-1, and then of course the Pens cut it to 3-2 in the last minute and then Hossa came inches away from tying it up in the final seconds.

So while the Red Wings did win here twice last season in the finals keep in mind they had to once again catch a few lucky breaks and live off Fleury once again giving up some bad goals to guys like Hudler and Zetterberg in the 3rd. I see Games 3 and 4 being just like this only this time around I like the Penguins chances a lot better on home ice as long as Fleury plays better, and seeing that this team can take it to Detroit more and has so far these first two games in Detroit unlike last year, and this year Datsyuk wont be in the lineup either.

Ok I will bite and provide the typical Pens fan argument (as seen on any pens message boards, and some pens fans on here)....Game 6 shouldn't have ever even gotten to 3-2. The goal you all scored on the PP was a result of a Pens Player (cannot remember whom, but you can watch the youtube video of this) slashing the stick out of our dman's (Lilja) hand, and then his man (Hossa) was able to get the deflection on the PP about 10 seconds later. Then the last second shot you refer to......should have never even come to fruition because of the trip on Datsyuk as he was racing down towards the empty net (in the neutral zone) was not called. So I guess, what I am saying is that game 6 wasn't even as close as it was......BTW, if we are going on all that type of speculation then the wings could have just as easily won in 4 or 5 games last year as they did in 6. But that didn't happen, much like the Pens beating us everytime at home didn't happen. I see your perspective, but look at it like this. The Pens had to do everything they could to win their 2 games last year. One triple overtime game where the wings allowed a late goal to tie it up, and another where the wings were within one down to the buzzer. Just sayin, you could look at it a couple different ways. I will say that I think this Pens team is better, but I also think (that when healthy) this wings team is the best team in the NHL (bar none). I just think that the Pens are awfully lucky that Dats, Lilja, Drapes, and Kops are out of the lineup or it would have been much like last years matchup. With the injuries, these teams are much closer to even. And even if Dats comes back, who knows how effective he will be able to be. Might have some skating issues.

[titanium2 867]

Ok I will bite and provide the typical Pens fan argument (as seen on any pens message boards, and some pens fans on here)....Game 6 shouldn't have ever even gotten to 3-2. The goal you all scored on the PP was a result of a Pens Player (cannot remember whom, but you can watch the youtube video of this) slashing the stick out of our dman's (Lilja) hand, and then his man (Hossa) was able to get the deflection on the PP about 10 seconds later. Then the last second shot you refer to......should have never even come to fruition because of the trip on Datsyuk as he was racing down towards the empty net (in the neutral zone) was not called. So I guess, what I am saying is that game 6 wasn't even as close as it was......BTW, if we are going on all that type of speculation then the wings could have just as easily won in 4 or 5 games last year as they did in 6. But that didn't happen, much like the Pens beating us everytime at home didn't happen. I see your perspective, but look at it like this. The Pens had to do everything they could to win their 2 games last year. One triple overtime game where the wings allowed a late goal to tie it up, and another where the wings were within one down to the buzzer. Just sayin, you could look at it a couple different ways. I will say that I think this Pens team is better, but I also think (that when healthy) this wings team is the best team in the NHL (bar none). I just think that the Pens are awfully lucky that Dats, Lilja, Drapes, and Kops are out of the lineup or it would have been much like last years matchup. With the injuries, these teams are much closer to even. And even if Dats comes back, who knows how effective he will be able to be. Might have some skating issues.

Pretty much what I said earlier. I wasn't trying to come off as whining. I just think that you can't emphasize Detroit's lucky breaks without acknowledging Pittsburgh's lucky breaks.

[autoX 0]

Where is the Pens bad play ...er bad luck on this goal.

Abdelkader an AHL player for part of the year scores during a wing line change. Covered by two Pens Dmen and scores the go ahead goal.

Abbie Goal game two

Edited June 2, 2009 by autoX

[daniel1 32]

Every team gets breaks. The better teams usually just work that much harder to overcome the breaks that go against them. Pitts has hit posts and have seen Ozzie make some good and lucky saves. The Wings have hit posts too, and seen Fleury stop the puck when he didn't even see it coming. When we have been down by a goal, we've worked that much harder to even it up and then go ahead, and we haven't quit till we were ahead and buzzer sounded. If Pitts is the better team they will work harder and find a way to be ahead on the soreboard when the 3rd period ends; so far that hasn't happened. Luck and breaks go both ways but to blame a loss on them is only refusing to admit your own failure to overcome them.

Ever seen Babs blame a loss on bad breaks or bad luck? Nope. He acknowledges takes responsibility for the situation that was created to allow a bad break or luck to influence the outcome and tries to prepare his team to overcome them and never give up. Being down by 3 that one game to Chicago and coming back to tie it up and almost win it in overtime says a lot about the Wings ability to put bad breaks behind them and do what needs to be done - or as Babs likes to say, "keep on keeping on" and "get after them". No excuses, just good coaching and preparation.